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Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:38 pm
by mister d
It also sounds like this season just wasn't much fun for him, playing hurt and out of position. Luckily he's not under contract so its just a morality exercise.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:17 pm
by DSafetyGuy
A_B wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:06 pm
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:04 pmSo the only reason to play college games then is NCAA tournament? Don't the rest of the games matter for his development? Is a game against UVA this week different than playing St. Marys in late March?
I think for the 0ne and done crowd, yeah, winning a championship is the ultimate goal if you go the college route so you have to get the tournament to do that. All these kids think they're the guy that's gonna get it done.
The tournament also provides a ton of exposure and possibility of playing against very high-level competition with a lot of attention from NBA personnel. Guys go from "why would they even think of turning pro" to "mid- to late first round pick" due to one tournament game (or even several minutes of one tournament game), why couldn't a guy expected to be one-and-done in college raise their draft stock?
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:01 pm
by HaulCitgo
Absolutely. Not crazy at all for duke to run off a few in a row and maybe a couple acc tournament wins and get in. Can't tell me ncaa doesn't want duke in a covid revenue year. Catch fire like carsen edwards and all the sudden youve duped some gm
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:13 pm
by mister d
DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:17 pm... why couldn't a guy expected to be one-and-done in college raise their draft stock?
Because he's hurt and playing out of position?
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:24 pm
by Nonlinear FC
This is all pretty silly. Dude has a history of injury, is not seeing a lot of the floor, is playing out of position. Duke is barely average this, so the odds them getting out of their first weekend is dicey, at best
I just don't have any kind of problem here, or with college football players doing the same. Hell, unless you are playing for a championship, college bowl games are about as meaningful as the Pro Bowl. Fuck that noise if I'm a first day draft pick.
The NCAA, if it any kind of foresight, could've seen this coming and done more to win the hearts and minds of both players and the fans. I love to watch college sports, but to say I don't have 10 percent of the loyalty to "my team" that I used to is an understatement of the highest order. The folks in power because reasons took their payouts (many still are) with a bunch of propaganda about the integrity of the student-athlete and... Here we are.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:44 am
by DSafetyGuy
mister d wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:13 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:17 pm... why couldn't a guy expected to be one-and-done in college raise their draft stock?
Because he's hurt and playing out of position?
To be clear, I am pro-player. They should sit out whenever they want, whether to protect their their health due to the pandemic or their professional future at any point (if a player was a first round lock and opted out with three games to go, I'd be fine with it - and a smart professional franchise would treat it as "less wear on his body" and not "quit on his team").
My previous post was about wlu's question about "the only reason to play is the tournament".
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:18 am
by HaulCitgo
Nah. There's a selfishness issue there. Now maybe that's ok. Maybe it's exactly the time for him to be selfish. But it definitely reflects on his character. What happens when his interests don't align with the gm's professional team? Have to believe those interests will diverge eventually. Unless hes a top top talent, he's going to face the same thing in the league. Bench. Sporadic minutes. Suboptimal environments to develop and play through mistakes. And how aren't these last couple weeks at Duke exactly the opportunity he won't have next year.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:25 am
by mister d
What happens when a GMs interests don't align with a player happy with his team situation?
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:46 pm
by duff
HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:18 am
Nah. There's a selfishness issue there. Now maybe that's ok. Maybe it's exactly the time for him to be selfish. But it definitely reflects on his character. What happens when his interests don't align with the gm's professional team? Have to believe those interests will diverge eventually. Unless hes a top top talent, he's going to face the same thing in the league. Bench. Sporadic minutes. Suboptimal environments to develop and play through mistakes. And how aren't these last couple weeks at Duke exactly the opportunity he won't have next year.
Because he will be getting paid while sitting on the bench. And playing against top tier talent in practice. Something even Duke cannot do.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:43 pm
by Nonlinear FC
If you want to watch scrappy D, you'd be hard pressed to find one better than this MI - Rutgers game. Y
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:13 pm
by mister d
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:43 pm
If you want to watch ...crappy D, you'd be hard pressed to find one better than ... M...e...
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:38 am
by sancarlos
Were you hanging out with BSF? You caught it too?
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:36 pm
by DaveInSeattle
Gonzaga blows people out by so much its not even really interesting to watch their games. They are currently winning their game by 41 points with 6 minutes left.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:00 pm
by Nonlinear FC
They'll get to see some decent teams in the Dance.
The MI-OSU game today (#3 vs. #4) was like watching a professional game. Not saying that all the players are NBA-caliber, but in terms of shot making, execution... And, shit, MUCH harder defense than you see in most pro games.
I don't have the stats, but both teams shot above 50 percent, both hit a shit load of 3s, and both were very solid at the stripe.
I honestly wasn't going to be upset with a MI loss today, because the game was just that good.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:27 pm
by Rex
This is so strange. This season in a nutshell.
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Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:34 am
by DaveInSeattle
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:00 pm
They'll get to see some decent teams in the Dance.
That's what worries me...they'll have been playing creampuffs for so long that when they come up against a good team they'll be in trouble.
They did play some good teams in the pre-conference season, and handled them, so who knows.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:45 am
by Nonlinear FC
DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:34 am
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:00 pm
They'll get to see some decent teams in the Dance.
That's what worries me...they'll have been playing creampuffs for so long that when they come up against a good team they'll be in trouble.
They did play some good teams in the pre-conference season, and handled them, so who knows.
They will get a couple games against meh teams, but a ton of pressure, to get themselves going. They'll be fine. Mark Few doesn't need a lot to get his guys going.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:00 pm
by DaveInSeattle
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:45 am
DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:34 am
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:00 pm
They'll get to see some decent teams in the Dance.
That's what worries me...they'll have been playing creampuffs for so long that when they come up against a good team they'll be in trouble.
They did play some good teams in the pre-conference season, and handled them, so who knows.
They will get a couple games against meh teams, but a ton of pressure, to get themselves going. They'll be fine. Mark Few doesn't need a lot to get his guys going.
It helps that he's got a couple of really solid players (Kispert, Timme) to match with a star (Suggs).
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:52 pm
by Shirley
Virginia's in a nasty late-season swoon. I don't like it.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:26 am
by wlu_lax6
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:29 pm
by Nonlinear FC
Great match-up tonight with Iowa facing up against MI. A win tonight pretty much clinches the regular season title for the Wolverines. Iowa is a VERY good team with one of the best players in the game (Garza).
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:44 pm
by DaveInSeattle
Hey AB....did you see this story about Coach Cal and recruiting Reed Sheppard?
John Calipari, Reed Sheppard and Kentucky's Recruiting Crossroads
The son of Jeff and Stacey Sheppard—the Most Outstanding Player of the men’s 1998 Final Four and a top-15 career scorer in the women’s program at UK—is routinely blowing up box scores. He is averaging a state-leading 33.1 points per game, twice scoring more than 50. He’s had multiple triple doubles, including one game with 17 assists. But it’s happening against modest competition, in a sparsely populated part of the state, amid a recruiting shutdown.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:11 pm
by A_B
DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:44 pm
Hey AB....did you see this story about Coach Cal and recruiting Reed Sheppard?
John Calipari, Reed Sheppard and Kentucky's Recruiting Crossroads
The son of Jeff and Stacey Sheppard—the Most Outstanding Player of the men’s 1998 Final Four and a top-15 career scorer in the women’s program at UK—is routinely blowing up box scores. He is averaging a state-leading 33.1 points per game, twice scoring more than 50. He’s had multiple triple doubles, including one game with 17 assists. But it’s happening against modest competition, in a sparsely populated part of the state, amid a recruiting shutdown.
I've read some stuff about it, but I haven't seen that article. I imagine he will get some kind of offer but not sure how much Cal is willing to change.
ETA: Jeff's boss at the firm in Lexington is the volleyball dad who has petulantly quit group texts twice in the run up to inauguration.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:14 am
by Steve of phpBB
So I guess it’s time to start watching the Illini?
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:28 am
by Shirley
UVA won the ACC regular season for the third time in four years. Fifth time in the last eight years. What Tony Bennett has done and continues to do with that program just astounds me. With Duke and UNC, it just never seemed conceivable to me that another program could step in and take over the conference the way UVA has.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:20 pm
by DaveInSeattle
Shirley wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:28 am
UVA won the ACC regular season for the third time in four years. Fifth time in the last eight years. What Tony Bennett has done and continues to do with that program just astounds me. With Duke and UNC, it just never seemed conceivable to me that another program could step in and take over the conference the way UVA has.
I watched some of the UNC-Duke game yesterday. Duke is terrible....how does that happen?
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:59 pm
by Shirley
DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:20 pm
Shirley wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:28 am
UVA won the ACC regular season for the third time in four years. Fifth time in the last eight years. What Tony Bennett has done and continues to do with that program just astounds me. With Duke and UNC, it just never seemed conceivable to me that another program could step in and take over the conference the way UVA has.
I watched some of the UNC-Duke game yesterday. Duke is terrible....how does that happen?
They roll the dice every year now like Kentucky with a mostly new batch of talent. That works when the talent is transcendent. When it's not, well basketball is a team game and a less-talented team that plays smart basketball can always win. Duke still has more McDonald's All Americans on that team (5) than UVA has had in the last 25 years. And that's AFTER Duke's most highly-rated freshman quit the team.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:18 am
by wlu_lax6
Terps blew the game against Penn St last night. Hey we did make it to conference tourneys.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:28 am
by wlu_lax6
Going into the transfer portal. Should have 2 years. Thinks he can step up from UMBC.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:46 am
by Nonlinear FC
If Mike Smith at MI is any indication...
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:50 am
by brian
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:59 pm
by EnochRoot
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:28 am
Going into the transfer portal. Should have 2 years. Thinks he can step up from UMBC.
He might need a step stool.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:53 pm
by DSafetyGuy
What an absolute bullshit statement by the athletic department.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:23 pm
by mister d
That was actually what Brian wrote, not the official Iowa response.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:19 pm
by sancarlos
mister d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:23 pm
That was actually what Brian wrote, not the official Iowa response.
I laughed
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:40 pm
by Nonlinear FC
So, I watch a small amount of BB. Mostly Mi and then a few minutes here and there.
Watching Duke-Louiseville and now Minnesota - Northwestern.
Holyshit, yall. These guys don't run an offense!!
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:04 am
by A_B
Duke has a positive test and is out of the ACC tournament. Probably end up knocking them down to a #3 seed in the big dance.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:07 am
by mister d
Bet Jalen Johnson is really kicking himself today.
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:18 am
by wlu_lax6
They still get to play all their games in Greensboro right?
Re: NCAA Basketball - 2020 Offseason/Season
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:33 pm
by wlu_lax6
Izzo is losing his mind right now. Terps are getting to the line because they drive the basket and Izzo's guys are playing sloppy d near the rim.