Jerry Seinfeld is not dead
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Jerry Seinfeld is not dead
From a discussion in the Netflix thread, I think he's a fascinating person to examine. He struck gold getting to work with Larry David and Julia Louise Dreyfus (and to a lesser extent, all the other people associated with the show). As much as I loved his shows, my opinion of him has drastically gone down in the last few years (and I still religiously follow the Simpsons and DMB, so if a popular 90's act is losing me, that's pretty bad).
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My favorite quote about that:
“Conan O’Brien” wrote:Jerry Seinfeld proposed to Shoshanna Lonstein on the night of her 21st birthday. Apparently he wanted to wait to make sure she wasn’t just using him to buy beer.
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I definitely get the sense that Larry David was really the motor behind that show, but he didn't have the confidence or ability to get it done on his own. Jerry was a horrendous actor, and the writing really seems much more Larry's than Jerry's. It's also interesting that I had the sens of him being the biggest standup star back then, but his standup really wasn't that great.EdRomero wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:04 pm From a discussion in the Netflix thread, I think he's a fascinating person to examine. He struck gold getting to work with Larry David and Julia Louise Dreyfus (and to a lesser extent, all the other people associated with the show). As much as I loved his shows, my opinion of him has drastically gone down in the last few years (and I still religiously follow the Simpsons and DMB, so if a popular 90's act is losing me, that's pretty bad).
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I think Dreyfus is amazing but I think her wings probably spread on the new adventures of old Christine. She wasn’t really pushed that much on Seinfeld. Talented but she was at best third wheel in that show and you can make a big argument for fourth.
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Steaming Hot!
Kramer became a grating presence after a while. Towards the end of the run, seeing Newman was kind of refreshing.
But post-Seinfeld, Julia Louise Dreyfus became legendary.
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Wonder what happened to Dreyfus' kid (the one who played hoops at Northwestern)Pruitt wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:53 amSteaming Hot!
Kramer became a grating presence after a while. Towards the end of the run, seeing Newman was kind of refreshing.
But post-Seinfeld, Julia Louise Dreyfus became legendary.
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Listen here, dickfuckers, I was trying to say Seinfeld working with her wasn't really something that made him lucky, which is what the posts previous to mine were talking about.Pruitt wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:53 amSteaming Hot!
Kramer became a grating presence after a while. Towards the end of the run, seeing Newman was kind of refreshing.
But post-Seinfeld, Julia Louise Dreyfus became legendary.
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It did. You put a less talented actresses in the Elaine role and the show is not the same. Having a super talented and funny actress with that group was necessary. Maybe you would have preferred Ellen Degeneres. Ballsfucker.A_B wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 7:33 amListen here, dickfuckers, I was trying to say Seinfeld working with her wasn't really something that made him lucky, which is what the posts previous to mine were talking about.Pruitt wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:53 amSteaming Hot!
Kramer became a grating presence after a while. Towards the end of the run, seeing Newman was kind of refreshing.
But post-Seinfeld, Julia Louise Dreyfus became legendary.
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You were not one of the aforementioned dickfuckers, but I grant you membership as of now.
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Yeah AB, maybe you would have preferred Julia Child there idiot
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AB needs to put down the fucking pen, is what I am saying.
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Or the keyboard, so we aren't subjected to his dumbass opinions.tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:03 am AB needs to put down the fucking pen, is what I am saying.
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Facts is facts boys. I know this will come as a surprise to some of you, but you can get better as your professional career continues. You can even be good early on and still get better! No kidding! Now, I wouldn't know anything about that, and I suspect most of you won't either, but it happens!
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So what made Seinfeld better than all the other shows revolved around a stand-up taking the lead? Was it Seinfeld? Larry David being behind the scenes helping a lot is a given, but being with an all-time great comedian actress helped a lot too.
Maybe compare him to Gary Shandling. Shandling was very funny in It's Gary Shandling's Show, but The Larry Sanders Show blew it away and his supporting cast was so much better. Maybe it was a better concept and Shandling's writing grew, but having an upgraded cast meant a lot.
What's Julia Louise Dreyfus's VORP?
Maybe compare him to Gary Shandling. Shandling was very funny in It's Gary Shandling's Show, but The Larry Sanders Show blew it away and his supporting cast was so much better. Maybe it was a better concept and Shandling's writing grew, but having an upgraded cast meant a lot.
What's Julia Louise Dreyfus's VORP?
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I actually agree with you, but more that JLD wasn't challenged as much or given the space to shine in Seinfeld. I didn't watch more than a couple episodes of that Christine show, and that was mostly at the gym with no volume when the TV I was watching went to commercials. But she knocked it out of the damned park on Veep.A_B wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:11 am Facts is facts boys. I know this will come as a surprise to some of you, but you can get better as your professional career continues. You can even be good early on and still get better! No kidding! Now, I wouldn't know anything about that, and I suspect most of you won't either, but it happens!
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THIS WAS MY WHOLE FUCKING POINT! I think pruitt and bengal also agreed with me (the sarcastic hot take stuff usually means what was posted is generally considered to be true, right?) but had to be dickknuckles about it!The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:15 amI actually agree with you, but more that JLD wasn't challenged as much or given the space to shine in Seinfeld. I didn't watch more than a couple episodes of that Christine show, and that was mostly at the gym with no volume when the TV I was watching went to commercials. But she knocked it out of the damned park on Veep.A_B wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:11 am Facts is facts boys. I know this will come as a surprise to some of you, but you can get better as your professional career continues. You can even be good early on and still get better! No kidding! Now, I wouldn't know anything about that, and I suspect most of you won't either, but it happens!
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What if you start at SNL while others are acting in UHF and fast food ads?
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And still not get the best part. Fucking Misogynist culture man. Damn the patriarchy!
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I do NOT agree with you. She carried several seasons of Seinfeld later in its run. Especially the Peterman years. Seinfeld was blah as an actor. Kramer got old. George got one note as character especially after Larry David stepped back. She was comedic genius .
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Then your hot take comment makes no sense.tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:48 am I do NOT agree with you. She carried several seasons of Seinfeld later in its run. Especially the Peterman years. Seinfeld was blah as an actor. Kramer got old. George got one note as character especially after Larry David stepped back. She was comedic genius .
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What's the deal with hot takes?
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But she was NOT a third or fourth wheel - she grew into so much more after the first few seasons. I reject your characterization of my response to your take.A_B wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:52 amThen your hot take comment makes no sense.tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:48 am I do NOT agree with you. She carried several seasons of Seinfeld later in its run. Especially the Peterman years. Seinfeld was blah as an actor. Kramer got old. George got one note as character especially after Larry David stepped back. She was comedic genius .
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Then herein lies the confusion.tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:02 amBut she was NOT a third or fourth wheel - she grew into so much more after the first few seasons. I reject your characterization of my response to your take.A_B wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:52 amThen your hot take comment makes no sense.tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:48 am I do NOT agree with you. She carried several seasons of Seinfeld later in its run. Especially the Peterman years. Seinfeld was blah as an actor. Kramer got old. George got one note as character especially after Larry David stepped back. She was comedic genius .
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Weird sub-argument aside...tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:48 am I do NOT agree with you. She carried several seasons of Seinfeld later in its run. Especially the Peterman years. Seinfeld was blah as an actor. Kramer got old. George got one note as character especially after Larry David stepped back. She was comedic genius .
I'll go out on this limb: I absolutely hated Seinfield by the time it was wrapping up. I wasn't a fan of JLD on that show, really didn't ever find Kramer that funny, and George was kind of a horrible (and not funny) person to me.
I'm also not a fan of Curb.
Veep is one of my all time favorite shows.
I think there's a common thread in there...
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