US Regional Cuisines

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Tue May 12, 2020 2:29 pm

Ryan wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 1:55 pm Is anything that is so widespread now that it has lost all regional and ethnic ties still on the table, or are we literally only eating traditionally regional foods for the rest of our life?

(i.e. Can I pick the South and still have, like, pancakes and pasta whenever I want?)

No, that's the point. You get a stale piece of white bread and then have to argue it doesn't matter.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue May 12, 2020 2:31 pm

Rex wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:27 pm Above has a much deeper bench. I love chili but not every day.

South has chile though. I cannot live without.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue May 12, 2020 2:32 pm

Rush2112 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:31 pm
Rex wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:27 pm Above has a much deeper bench. I love chili but not every day.
South has chile though. I cannot live without.

But New Mexico is split in half. So you win regardless.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue May 12, 2020 2:44 pm

Regional takes on chili could be an entirely separate conversation.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue May 12, 2020 2:47 pm

Chile*

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Tue May 12, 2020 2:48 pm

Drawing the line south of NC barbeque (both varieties) is unfair.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue May 12, 2020 3:34 pm

I actually based the split on Memphis and LA.

GoodKarma · Post by **GoodKarma** » Tue May 12, 2020 3:54 pm

North only because Cincinnati chili. Beer being much better & bourbon is an added bonus.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue May 12, 2020 3:55 pm

DRINKS ARE NOT INCLUDED DAMMIT SHIT!

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue May 12, 2020 4:01 pm

Yeah, my answer would definitely had been different with drinks included.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue May 12, 2020 4:01 pm

Same. Southern beer is fucking shit.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue May 12, 2020 4:05 pm

Gonna start a second thread and poll with drinks included and then a third so everyone can vote for how my thread was better than yours.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue May 12, 2020 4:06 pm

South Orange makes, Union takes. #jerseystrong

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue May 12, 2020 4:09 pm

Doesn't matter where you'd choose. Prickly pear margaritas are all over Arizona. So 🤷‍♂️

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue May 12, 2020 4:25 pm

The beer version of this would be New England versus the rest and it would be another easy call to take the smaller territory.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Tue May 12, 2020 4:31 pm

I took below but that's my Southern California native bias and I'm already re-thinking it. It's almost all for the Mexican, I can take or leave Southern Food. Basically good Italian food would be out.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue May 12, 2020 4:31 pm

Challenge - draw one line that splits the country and each part has to be equally desirable for pizza

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue May 12, 2020 4:41 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:32 pm
Rush2112 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:31 pm
Rex wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:27 pm Above has a much deeper bench. I love chili but not every day.
South has chile though. I cannot live without.
But New Mexico is split in half. So you win regardless.

Chile ONLY comes from Hatch which is the south so not taking any chances.

Post by **brian** » Tue May 12, 2020 4:50 pm

Rush2112 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:41 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:32 pm
Rush2112 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:31 pm
Rex wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:27 pm Above has a much deeper bench. I love chili but not every day.
South has chile though. I cannot live without.
But New Mexico is split in half. So you win regardless.
Chile ONLY comes from Hatch which is the south so not taking any chances.

That was pretty much where I landed too. I can live without anything other than Mexican/New Mexican

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue May 12, 2020 4:59 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:25 pm The beer version of this would be New England versus the rest and it would be another easy call to take the smaller territory.

The west coast and Colorado say “fuck off”.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue May 12, 2020 5:03 pm

Ryan wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:31 pm Challenge - draw one line that splits the country and each part has to be equally desirable for pizza

Essentially “where do you bisect Brooklyn”?

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue May 12, 2020 5:34 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:25 pm The beer version of this would be New England versus the rest and it would be another easy call to take the smaller territory.

I don't know if I'd agree with this. They certainly have particular styles saturated, but I feel like they don't have the same coverage as other hotbeds. I like pastry stouts and NEIPA, but don't think I'd like to drink them exclusively.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue May 12, 2020 5:59 pm

When I think pastry stouts, I don't think New England. I think I think Colorado?

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue May 12, 2020 6:18 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:09 pm Doesn't matter where you'd choose. Prickly pear margaritas are all over Arizona. So 🤷‍♂️

I've had them sitting on the patio at Rancho De Chimayo, which is north of the line.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue May 12, 2020 6:31 pm

I just looked up Hatch, NM on a map and its clearly on the south side.

ETA1: I'm going to start a running list in the first post. This is going to be the most fun I've had all day.

ETA2: I wrote out "North" and underlined and decided I have no desire to do this.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Tue May 12, 2020 6:44 pm

GoodKarma wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 3:54 pm North only because Cincinnati chili.

We’re really gonna give me shit about oyster locations and let this dogshit slide??

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue May 12, 2020 6:46 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:01 pm Same. Southern beer is fucking shit.

I can get by with Cigar City, other locals, Abita, Shiner, Ballast Point.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue May 12, 2020 6:53 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:46 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:01 pm Same. Southern beer is fucking shit.
I can get by with Cigar City, other locals, Abita, Shiner, Ballast Point.

Several good labels in San Diego.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue May 12, 2020 6:55 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:46 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:01 pm Same. Southern beer is fucking shit.
I can get by with Cigar City, other locals, Abita, Shiner, Ballast Point.

Looks like we agree again ; )

Post by **Shirley** » Tue May 12, 2020 9:11 pm

I love southern food, but you put NC in the north, so I guess I'm a yankee. SC barbeque is pretty much shit compared to the good stuff (NC, TX, KC, Memphis, etc.) I do love me some Mexican food, so that was tough, but I can't say no NC bbq forever.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue May 12, 2020 9:34 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 5:59 pm When I think pastry stouts, I don't think New England. I think I think Colorado?

Weldwerks and Treehouse both pump them out. I think both are a bit of rut, but I give WW the edge in that they really push the envelope while Treehouse does some new haze the bois are all over.

I was trading with a MA friend, but I told him he needs to lay off the Treehouse, I need some Greater Good, Mighty Squirrel, or Vitamin Sea, not another citra bomb.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue May 12, 2020 10:05 pm

Rush2112 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:41 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:32 pm
Rush2112 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:31 pm
Rex wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:27 pm Above has a much deeper bench. I love chili but not every day.
South has chile though. I cannot live without.
But New Mexico is split in half. So you win regardless.
Chile ONLY comes from Hatch which is the south so not taking any chances.

So, this reminds me of a story. A few months ago, we were chatting with some other folks while tasting port at a little dessert wine place in Petaluma. Somehow the conversation turned to chiles. I volunteered that I am a big fan of Hatch Chile Salsa. A lady then pooh-poohed that, saying something like, "Oh, those are just Anaheim chiles. The grow them lots of places, besides Hatch." And, then an old-timer replied, "you can grow Cabernet Sauvignon grapes in Missouri, too. But their wine doesn't taste as good as the wine from Napa." The lady then changed the subject.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue May 12, 2020 10:33 pm

Rush2112 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:34 pmWeldwerks and Treehouse both pump them out.

Sure, everyone who has range will do them, but can’t you argue Great Divide, Avery and even Rogue made their non-local names off them? NEIPA for sure you can need a break from and I’m fine blaming atleast the east coast for milkshakes, but I don’t get assigning the sweet stouts to New England unless youah fahkin jealous of tha sawks oah somethin kid.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue May 12, 2020 11:07 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:33 pm Great Divide, Avery

I wouldn't call Yeti a pastry. They have variants now that the tendency has gone that way, but they by no means made their name. Avery is the same way. The only stout that they've had for more than 3-5 years is Uncle Jacobs which is a Russian Imperial aged in bourbon.

I think Great Divide made their name with Titan (IPA) and Hercules (their DIPA) and Avery was the White Rascal (wit) and Ellie's Brown. I may be mistaken as I was familiar with those from my time out west in the 90s, but they were in Boston when we were both there, way before the haze and pastry days. I guess Rogue was the Hazelnut Brown, but they had some good WIPA when they made good IPAs and were they the brewery that had the vertical series that was hip before beer was hip? Or maybe that was Stone.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 am

Things get here a bit late, but I agree with Rush on Avery at least. For Rogue, Dead Guy was the only one you could get around here for some time.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed May 13, 2020 8:26 am

Dead Guy for sure was first but the Hazelnut one got hype early on when there wasn't much/anything like it on the east coast.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Wed May 13, 2020 10:27 am

mister d wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:26 am Dead Guy for sure was first but the Hazelnut one got hype early on when there wasn't much/anything like it on the east coast.

The hazelnut has been around since the 90s, before there was a pastry stout, also it's a brown. I think it was first brewed because there are a fuckton of hazelnuts in the Willamette not because they wanted to impress people with their hazelnut vanilla chai coffee fudge strawberry shortcake stout.

GoodKarma · Post by **GoodKarma** » Wed May 13, 2020 10:40 am

BSF21 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:44 pm
GoodKarma wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 3:54 pm North only because Cincinnati chili.
We’re really gonna give me shit about oyster locations and let this dogshit slide??

Apparently :)

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed May 13, 2020 10:41 am

Rush2112 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:27 am... they wanted to impress people with their hazelnut vanilla chai coffee fudge strawberry shortcake stout.

That sounds like a uniquely NE hype brewery beer name.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Wed May 13, 2020 11:22 am

Big Beaver is awful and 95% of their beers have horrendous names based heavily in innuendo.

NEIPAs are responsible for people forgetting what beer tastes like and I lump pastry stouts in with that, so new England breweries are responsible for that. (and I generally defend New England, except for the Bruins they fucking suck.)

If you could only eat food from the continental 48 above or below this line, which are you picking?