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Re: Racism

Post by L-Jam3 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:11 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:
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Because of the gross deceit from this administration, I frankly have a hard time believing the FBI here. I get they are "independent", but I seriously wouldn't put it past them that they had reasons to sweep this under the rug.
jesus christ no dude what the hell

I'm not going to get into this here -- there are plenty of places where I have gotten into it that you know where to find -- but the last 24 hours are like the exact opposite of sweeping something under the rug
I didn't mean NASCAR sweeping it under the rug. They did the exact opposite. I'm talking about the FBI as an arm of the DoJ.
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Re: Racism

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So Nascar knew about the noose since October. I imagine so did the speedway. Yet Wallace was still assigned garage 4?
Sound like is a garage door pull. There's one on every garage door there but that one happened to be tied this way. Garages are assigned based on points ranking so there's no way anyone would have known back in October that Wallace would get this garage. That rope would have unnoticed for years if this coincidence hadn't happened.
Okay, I get the assignment by points, but if NASCAR and the raceway knew about a reported noose back in October, why wouldn't the management company have someone fix it? Still very shady to me, but obviously not as bad as it would have been had the FBI found it to be an actual noose hung for the purpose of being Wallace's garage.
Because they didn't think of it as a noose or a racist symbol? A guy just happened to buy it, or tie it that way or it's simply a rope that they tied in a way so people can grab it. Maybe it's just me but if I walked by that thing 1000 times I wouldn't notice it. Probably when it was reported to them over the weekend it was an "Oh, shit" moment and then condemned it right away.

I know we (or I) need to be educated more on these things but we can't expect perfection.
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Re: Racism

Post by Brontoburglar » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:05 pm

L-Jam3 wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:11 pm
Brontoburglar wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:04 pm
L-Jam3 wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:31 pm
Because of the gross deceit from this administration, I frankly have a hard time believing the FBI here. I get they are "independent", but I seriously wouldn't put it past them that they had reasons to sweep this under the rug.
jesus christ no dude what the hell

I'm not going to get into this here -- there are plenty of places where I have gotten into it that you know where to find -- but the last 24 hours are like the exact opposite of sweeping something under the rug
I didn't mean NASCAR sweeping it under the rug. They did the exact opposite. I'm talking about the FBI as an arm of the DoJ.
that still doesn't make any sense whatsoever
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Re: Racism

Post by Pruitt » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:51 pm

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Saw this today in a nearby grocery store - it caters to a very multi-ethnic area, large Italian, Russian, Jewish and Portuguese aisles.

This was in the Russian aisle...

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Ok, yeah, racism is bad, but damn that mustard sounds good right now.
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Re: Racism

Post by Shirley » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:51 am

So, some Wilmington, NC cops accidentally recorded conversations with each other via their car cameras. A woman doing a routine audit happened to catch it.
According to the summary, “Moore began telling Piner about an arrest he had made at work the day before. During that conversation, Moore refers to the female as a ‘negro’ and a ‘ni—-‘ on multiple occasions.”

He also referred to a magistrate judge, who is also black, as a ‘fucking negro magistrate.’

“At one point, Moore states, ‘she needed a bullet in her head right then and move on. Let’s move the body out of the way and keep going.’ Piner responds, ‘That’s what I have been trying to tell you,'” according to the documents.

After more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’

“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them fucking ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready.'” according to the summary.
And there's more like that. Incredible that the dudes are not only cops, but openly talking like this to each other while on duty.

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Re: Racism

Post by Nonlinear FC » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:08 am

It's been my experience that once those types find a kindred spirit, they go all in on this shit.

I once had to tell a bunch of soccer guys that assumed I was racist due to a mutual friend (it was my friends* soccer team, I was guest goalie) that I wasn't cool with all the racist talk. They cut it out around me, but it was awkward.

* - I had a real tough and honest talk with my friend after that trip. He was going to school in South Carolina and had fallen with these guys and kind of been indoctrinated. He sure as fuck wasn't spouting that shit in high school. I think he kind of rode it out with the soccer team, but years later he thanked me and said he'd backed way off of those opinions.
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Re: Racism

Post by Johnnie » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:10 am

The Thin Blue Line insulates racists the way the Catholic Church insulates pedophiles.

Sure, there might be good priests/cops, but their institutions use their power in the most disgusting way possible.
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Post by Jerloma » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:50 am

Johnnie wrote:
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The Thin Blue Line insulates racists the way the Catholic Church insulates pedophiles.

Sure, there might be good priests/cops, but their institutions use their power in the most disgusting way possible.
That's a great analogy. It's almost worse because we're actually forced to fund it.
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Re: Racism

Post by L-Jam3 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:06 am

I guess the whole thing about the FBI changing the narrative is because this fucking administration has warped my sense of the aims of government. I'm truly the last person to believe conspiracy theories (with the noted exception of Michael Jordan's suspension), but looking at the wicked acts of this cabal of thieves, my initial thought was "oh, the FBI got instructions to claim this is something different so they can turn Bubba Watson into another Jessie Smollett."
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Re: Racism

Post by DaveInSeattle » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:51 am

Yeah...I don't see how anyone could see that and NOT think it was racially motivated...


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Re: Racism

Post by Pruitt » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:54 am

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Yeah...I don't see how anyone could see that and NOT think it was racially motivated...

Got to wonder what the last group that used that garage had hanging there.
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Re: Racism

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Re: Racism

Post by DSafetyGuy » Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:31 pm

Making Will Cain's viewpoint in his discussion with Bomani Jones yesterday look even worse.
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Post by A_B » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:05 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:31 pm
Making Will Cain's viewpoint in his discussion with Bomani Jones yesterday look even worse.
Yeah I feel bad for "normalizing" it even. Obviously where I grew up is not the most progressive and some of those probably weren't coincidental.

(Note: My family never had any of these. My grandfather's workshop had a working mechanical garage door.)
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Re: Racism

Post by mister d » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:07 pm

#humblebrag
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Re: Racism

Post by A_B » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:08 pm

mister d wrote:
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#humblebrag
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Re: Racism

Post by DSafetyGuy » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:02 pm

A_B wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:05 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:31 pm
Making Will Cain's viewpoint in his discussion with Bomani Jones yesterday look even worse.
Yeah I feel bad for "normalizing" it even. Obviously where I grew up is not the most progressive and some of those probably weren't coincidental.

(Note: My family never had any of these. My grandfather's workshop had a working mechanical garage door.)
When my family lived in houses without a mechanical garage door opener or we visited a relative's house where they had a barn or truck garage with a roll-up door using a rope for raising and lowering, the loop at the end was always just double-knotted. There is no need to use a knot that would allow the loop to tighten around your hand/fingers as you were raising the door, as that would hinder your ability to go hand over hand.
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Post by Johnnie » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:51 pm

I can definitely see something like that being reported ASAP in light of everything going on in the world and at Talladega that day. And the person was absolutely right too, because holy shit, someone is a (this isn't the correct word but I'm sure one exists) knotsmith. And why that's ever a go-to knot is beyond me. There has to be a better one in that circumstance.

But I can also see extreme and horrible coincidences happening all at once. Like Kevin Youlikis's Baseball Reference URL.

Ultimately, if the FBI cleared it, I'll have faith they investigated properly despite who runs the Justice Department.

But, jeezus. It's terrible to even look at.
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Post by brian » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:56 pm

After seeing that picture there is zero way I could this being something Wallace imagined. I would think the same thing. It's not impossible there's an honest, innocent explanation so I don't want to get into trashing the FBI, but based on the reporting NASCAR mentioned as far as the knots in other garages that just leads me to believe it was possibly done intentionally.
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Post by sancarlos » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:57 pm

Johnnie wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:51 pm
But I can also see extreme and horrible coincidences happening all at once. Like Kevin Youlikis's Baseball Reference URL.
Yes, you made me look. Jeebus! Never heard of that one. Is that something that is commonly known?

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Post by brian » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:58 pm

sancarlos wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:57 pm
Johnnie wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:51 pm
But I can also see extreme and horrible coincidences happening all at once. Like Kevin Youlikis's Baseball Reference URL.
Yes, you made me look. Jeebus! Never heard of that one. Is that something that is commonly known?

(for those of you too lazy to look - https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ke01.shtml )
It's been mentioned here.
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Post by Johnnie » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:20 pm

That's the "fixed" link.Their algorithm is "first 5 letters of last name" plus "first 2 letters of first name." It was actually what you think it was.

Another example: Magic: The Gathering recently banned 7 cards.

Read specifically about the card Invoke Prejudice. Fucking holy shit.
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Post by P.D.X. » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:39 pm

I wonder how long they considered 'The D Chicks'.

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Re: Racism

Post by Shirley » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:21 pm

I'm not convinced the noose thing is a racial thing. As noted in a lot of places, it was there long before it was Bubba Wallace's stall.

So, the question is whether any time a rope is tied into a noose it's some sort of racial statement. I have seen dudes playing around with ropes, tying knots. Eventually, someone tries a noose. I'm sure I've done it (I'm talking about teenage Shirley here, probably. It's been a long time.), never intending it as a symbol of racist lynchings. I mean, people have been hung using nooses for centuries. My first thought about someone being hung is from a gallows. Hell, it's a weapon in Clue.

On the other hand, this was a NASCAR garage, not exactly a place where anyone would be shocked to find an outwardly racist dude (or many of them). So, MAYBE it was some sort of racist symbol, but considering that there are basically no black people around to try to intimidate with it, I don't know. It's not a slam dunk to me.

I think it's more likely that it stupid dude stuff. Turn the rope into a noose because someone thought that was badass.
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Post by Shirley » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:55 pm

(I'm gonna feel really dumb about that post when we find out it was Dustin Skinner who made the noose)
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Post by brian » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:00 pm

Shirley wrote:
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I'm not convinced the noose thing is a racial thing. As noted in a lot of places, it was there long before it was Bubba Wallace's stall.

So, the question is whether any time a rope is tied into a noose it's some sort of racial statement. I have seen dudes playing around with ropes, tying knots. Eventually, someone tries a noose. I'm sure I've done it (I'm talking about teenage Shirley here, probably. It's been a long time.), never intending it as a symbol of racist lynchings. I mean, people have been hung using nooses for centuries. My first thought about someone being hung is from a gallows. Hell, it's a weapon in Clue.

On the other hand, this was a NASCAR garage, not exactly a place where anyone would be shocked to find an outwardly racist dude (or many of them). So, MAYBE it was some sort of racist symbol, but considering that there are basically no black people around to try to intimidate with it, I don't know. It's not a slam dunk to me.

I think it's more likely that it stupid dude stuff. Turn the rope into a noose because someone thought that was badass.
I'm not sure NASCAR would lie to protect Wallace but the fact it was the only rope in any garage at any track NASCAR runs at that even resembled a noose is pretty damning (circumstantial, yes but still) evidence of intent.
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Post by degenerasian » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:29 am

That how symbols are, they come to represent something good or evil.

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Post by Steve of phpBB » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:42 am

I dunno, Dave. I think we’re well past the point where a noose can *not* be a racist symbol. Especially hanging like that. Maybe it wasn’t directed at anyone in particular, but I’d put it up there with a white hood.

I guess it’s possible *some* folks are so ignorant about the history of lynching that they didn’t think anything of it. But if that thing has been hanging there since last fall, there had to be *someone* who would know better.
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Post by Rex » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:11 am

My theory is the guy who did it wasn’t really thinking about it, he’s just someone who is really into crafting rope into nooses (neese?). How he got to be that way, we don’t know. Could be a Boy Scout thing, or he’s into sailing, or quite likely the other reason.

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Post by govmentchedda » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:14 am

Rex wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:11 am
My theory is the guy who did it wasn’t really thinking about it, he’s just someone who is really into crafting rope into nooses (neese?). How he got to be that way, we don’t know. Could be a Boy Scout thing, or he’s into sailing, or quite likely the other reason.
I can definitively state that nooses are not taught in boy scouts, and I'm not on board with the idea that this noose, and it's placement, was benign.
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Post by testuser2 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:18 am

I don't buy the explanation that it was just a knot and it had no meaning. I've worked in several jobs as a teenager where they had industrial garages with a rope attached for a pull. The purpose of the rope is to give you something you can reach when the door is fully open. They always had a small knot at the end so that it was easier to hold. You didn't want a knot that would slip or one that is too large because you wouldn't want to have to adjust it every time you opened the door. A noose is a terrible knot because it does both. it slips and it's large. I'd expect that anyone that can tie a knot could do a simple overhand knot.

The knot was made for a reason and no one removed it. It may not have been meant for Bubba, but it was directed at someone like him. Having it exist on the door for a year is more problematic. Do you really believe that all of the hands that used that rope in a year and no one realized it was offensive? Bullshit.

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Re: Racism

Post by Rex » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:19 am

I veer between something done out of boredom and a sick inside joke. Neither is even the least bit flattering to the person who did it. In either event, would be pretty surprised if this was an isolated event.

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Post by Steve of phpBB » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:30 am

Rex wrote:
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I veer between something done out of boredom and a sick inside joke. Neither is even the least bit flattering to the person who did it. In either event, would be pretty surprised if this was an isolated event.
Sick inside joke sounds very plausible to me.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.

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Post by duff » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:03 am

Steve of phpBB wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:30 am
Rex wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:19 am
I veer between something done out of boredom and a sick inside joke. Neither is even the least bit flattering to the person who did it. In either event, would be pretty surprised if this was an isolated event.
Sick inside joke sounds very plausible to me.
So, inside joke being racist joke. That's how this shit usually works out.
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Post by Steve of phpBB » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:20 am

duff wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:03 am
Steve of phpBB wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:30 am
Rex wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:19 am
I veer between something done out of boredom and a sick inside joke. Neither is even the least bit flattering to the person who did it. In either event, would be pretty surprised if this was an isolated event.
Sick inside joke sounds very plausible to me.
So, inside joke being racist joke. That's how this shit usually works out.
For sure.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.

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Re: Racism

Post by Rex » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:44 am

Steve of phpBB wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:20 am
duff wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:03 am
Steve of phpBB wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:30 am
Rex wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:19 am
I veer between something done out of boredom and a sick inside joke. Neither is even the least bit flattering to the person who did it. In either event, would be pretty surprised if this was an isolated event.
Sick inside joke sounds very plausible to me.
So, inside joke being racist joke. That's how this shit usually works out.
For sure.
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Re: Racism

Post by DaveInSeattle » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:08 pm

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Could be a Boy Scout thing, or he’s into sailing, or quite likely the other reason.
Sailors would never tie a noose. As others have noted in this thread, its a big ass knot, and its a slipknot. Only useful for one thing.

When sailors are goofing off tying knots, its something like a sheepshank.

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Re: Racism

Post by degenerasian » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:39 pm

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Re: Racism

Post by Pruitt » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:17 pm

Yeah...

But I'm calling "Bullshit" on a whole lot of it.

Where did he think his part time gig was? The Board of Education or PBS?
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