2020 Presidential Election: Joe Biden vs Whoever the Republicans Nominate

[BSF21]

I appreciate your optimism Steve, but nothing about last night quelled any fears I have. Until Dems are willing to play on a level playing field and pop the son of a bitch in the mouth when he pops off, they come off looking terrible. I wanted so badly for Joe to just take the reins last night and mop the floor with him. Put him in his place and show he has nothing other than buzzwords and he couldn't do that.

Every time Trump opened his mouth it was a buzzword his base and people still curious/landing feast on. Until someone shuts him up and says "listen motherfucker, you suck at this. People are worse off because of you. You can point to a 401k all you want but most Americans aren't helped by money they can't touch and your wall street buddies get to run shorts and get rich off of this shit. So sit down, shut the fuck up for 5 minutes and maybe you could learn something about government and helping the American people".

Until then, Joe looks weak and incompetent and anyone who is truly still on the fence here who has even an inkling of holding their nose and voting for Trump got nothing positive from the Dems last night and got more chest pounding look at me bullshit from Trump.

We doomed ourselves in the primaries. We're even more doomed now.

[Brontoburglar]

I appreciate your optimism Steve, but nothing about last night quelled any fears I have. Until Dems are willing to play on a level playing field and pop the son of a bitch in the mouth when he pops off, they come off looking terrible. I wanted so badly for Joe to just take the reins last night and mop the floor with him. Put him in his place and show he has nothing other than buzzwords and he couldn't do that.

Every time Trump opened his mouth it was a buzzword his base and people still curious/landing feast on. Until someone shuts him up and says "listen motherfucker, you suck at this. People are worse off because of you. You can point to a 401k all you want but most Americans aren't helped by money they can't touch and your wall street buddies get to run shorts and get rich off of this shit. So sit down, shut the fuck up for 5 minutes and maybe you could learn something about government and helping the American people".

Until then, Joe looks weak and incompetent and anyone who is truly still on the fence here who has even an inkling of holding their nose and voting for Trump got nothing positive from the Dems last night and got more chest pounding look at me bullshit from Trump.

We doomed ourselves in the primaries. We're even more doomed now.

biden said this without the f-word last night

[mister d]

We doomed ourselves in the primaries. We're even more doomed now.

Dems picking the "safe" candidate was never about safely winning, it was about assuring donors their wealth and future profits are safe from the rest of the country.

[Jerloma]

It's amazing how quickly Trump got Biden to abandon the left last night.

[The Sybian]

I just don't know what Biden could have done differently that wouldn't have come off as acting like a petulant child. I think the aim was looking Presidential in comparison to the sitting President being a buffoon in over his head presiding over a recession and failing response to a pandemic. I think Trump made it impossible, as Biden couldn't answer a single question without Trump shouting over him. Biden did better where Hillary fell into the trap of wasting her debate time in correcting Trump's lies and not making her own case. Her other failure was getting into the weeds on policy issues and relying on debate viewers to go to her website and read her 150 page plan while Trump said "only I can fix this" and "I will make everything tremendously amazing, the likes of which nobody has ever seen" and he still has no plan. In a debate in this era, policies and facts don't mean shit when Trump can say "I made this great" and 45% of the population just believes it.

My biggest fear was Biden seeming confused or lost, and I don't think he did at all. There were numerous stutter moments I think the Right will seize on as dementia or confusion, but that's inevitable, and they still use Obama's "all states, I mean 57 states" quote, so whatever. There were two moments were Biden seemed to forget the question, and while he regurgitated his talking points on one topic, Chris Wallace said the question was about a completely different topic, and Biden switched tracks. Not a big deal, but I can see Fox and Friends jumping all over that.

My second concern was Trump getting under Biden's skin and Biden snapping and seeming like Grandpa Simpson or angry hothead. Trump definitely got under his skin, but I thought Biden did a great job controlling his temper. It's clear he was coached to just laugh at Trump's lies and blusters. While the constant interrupting was irritating, I felt Biden had to since Trump did it so often, and I thought Wallace did a great job calling out Trump and saying he only called out Trump because he was much worse. Wallace failed to control Trump, but I don't know how he could without being attacked for rigging the debate and becoming the story. Not sure if I said it here or elsewhere, but the need a system where they cut the mic of the person not speaking, otherwise it's a complete waste of time. And fuck everyone in the media blaming both candidates, I think Biden would have been happy to have both candidates answer uninterrupted. Biden did snap when Trump went after his sons, and I thought he came off strong on that. He refrained from attacking Trump's kids, and while I wish someone would, it would have completely derailed the debate into a playground fight.

[mister d]

Put me in the camp that says tasking a 77 year old to play perpetual defense against a bully who can only function on unchecked offense is a miserable strategy. The eventual irony will be that Harris probably could have executed this better than anyone else in the field.

[The Sybian]

Put me in the camp that says tasking a 77 year old to play perpetual defense against a bully who can only function on unchecked offense is a miserable strategy.

100% agree, but that ship has sailed. I'm focused on what Biden needs to do. Yes, it would have been fun watch Warren or Bernie attack Trump, but I think they would have turned off a lot of voters. There is deep seated hatred of Warren amongst never-Trumpers and gettable Republicans. I still can't imagine America electing an elderly Socialist Jew from Brooklyn. Kamala would have been phenomenal in a debate against Trump, but she failed all the Progressive Purity tests.

[mister d]

Kamala would have been phenomenal in a debate against Trump, but she failed all the Progressive Purity tests.

This is fucking nonsense given who they picked. It never had anything to do with what progressives did or didn't want.

[psunate77]

I appreciate your optimism Steve, but nothing about last night quelled any fears I have. Until Dems are willing to play on a level playing field and pop the son of a bitch in the mouth when he pops off, they come off looking terrible. I wanted so badly for Joe to just take the reins last night and mop the floor with him. Put him in his place and show he has nothing other than buzzwords and he couldn't do that.

Every time Trump opened his mouth it was a buzzword his base and people still curious/landing feast on. Until someone shuts him up and says "listen motherfucker, you suck at this. People are worse off because of you. You can point to a 401k all you want but most Americans aren't helped by money they can't touch and your wall street buddies get to run shorts and get rich off of this shit. So sit down, shut the fuck up for 5 minutes and maybe you could learn something about government and helping the American people".

Until then, Joe looks weak and incompetent and anyone who is truly still on the fence here who has even an inkling of holding their nose and voting for Trump got nothing positive from the Dems last night and got more chest pounding look at me bullshit from Trump.

We doomed ourselves in the primaries. We're even more doomed now.

My thinking also.. Trump openingly invited a white supremacist group to get ready for shit to go down on live TV in front of 100Million and not one person has called him on it. Yeah, people bitched about it on Twitter, Oh boy look out. Not one person there including Biden said anything, not Chris Wallace or anyone.

Biden has also hired 600 attorneys, so he already knows Trump is going to steal this election. The sad part is when he gets the mail in votes to be squashed, and wins, everyone will accept it. Wait, people will complain on Twitter for a week.

[A_B]

My thinking also.. Trump openingly invited a white supremacist group to get ready for shit to go down on live TV in front of 100Million and not one person has called him on it. Yeah, people bitched about it on Twitter, Oh boy look out. Not one person there including Biden said anything, not Chris Wallace or anyone.

Biden has also hired 600 attorneys, so he already knows Trump is going to steal this election. The sad part is when he gets the mail in votes to be squashed, and wins, everyone will accept it. Wait, people will complain on Twitter for a week.

If it wasn't plain before, it is now obvious where you get your news.

[BSF21]

My thinking also.. Trump openingly invited a white supremacist group to get ready for shit to go down on live TV in front of 100Million and not one person has called him on it. Yeah, people bitched about it on Twitter, Oh boy look out. Not one person there including Biden said anything, not Chris Wallace or anyone.

Biden has also hired 600 attorneys, so he already knows Trump is going to steal this election. The sad part is when he gets the mail in votes to be squashed, and wins, everyone will accept it. Wait, people will complain on Twitter for a week.

If it wasn't plain before, it is now obvious where you get your news.

Not defending anyone here, but has any news outlets outside of the far reaches addressed it? I'm positive the RW is glossing it over or saying "see he told these people to knock it off (while acknowledging a white supremacy group by name). And as much as I like the, Vice News is not exactly a balanced outlet either. Is there anyone in the middle actually calling his shit out in major media? All I've read so far is "two people who hate each other trade barbs. No winners either way. Drink CocaCola. Ahhhhhh".

[A_B]

Well, I mean. It's mentioned on the homepage of at least CNN, WaPO, MSNBC, NPR, CBS News, USA Today, Politico, ABC News. Politico is about the furthest left of those I think.

[degenerasian]

Why are you all convinced that Kamala is good in a debate format. She was pretty poor in the Democratic primary debates. I mean would she have told Trump to shut up more? Then the media would be oooooooh, a woman is so bitchy.

Pence may surprise. I didn't realize he previously was a talk radio host, probably accustomed to the back and forth. I think he'll be able to hang with her for the most part.

Also the debate format was awful last night. When participants agree that each has two minute segments to speak to an issue, you have to turn off the other person's mic during those two minutes. Canada and Britain do this with 3,4 or even 5 people on stage. US TV must want the chaos for ratings.

[duff]

Why are you all convinced that Kamala is good in a debate format. She was pretty poor in the Democratic primary debates. I mean would she have told Trump to shut up more? Then the media would be oooooooh, a woman is so bitchy.

Pence may surprise. I didn't realize he previously was a talk radio host, probably accustomed to the back and forth. I think he'll be able to hang with her for the most part.

Also the debate format was awful last night. When participants agree that each has two minute segments to speak to an issue, you have to turn off the other person's mic during those two minutes. Canada and Britain do this with 3,4 or even 5 people on stage. US TV must want the chaos for ratings.

You obviously never heard the Mike Pence show. Not much consenting dialogue. Welcome to central Indiana.

[The Sybian]

Kamala would have been phenomenal in a debate against Trump, but she failed all the Progressive Purity tests.

This is fucking nonsense given who they picked. It never had anything to do with what progressives did or didn't want.

I just mean she didn't really get many votes. Centrists and Party people voted for Biden, Progressives voted elsewhere. Obviously the Party wanted Biden, but if they voters strongly preferred someone else, I don't think they would have shut down a wildly popular candidate to prop up Biden. I know the system is rigged to a degree, but Biden did win the primary.

[Rush2112]

Also the debate format was awful last night. When participants agree that each has two minute segments to speak to an issue, you have to turn off the other person's mic during those two minutes. Canada and Britain do this with 3,4 or even 5 people on stage. US TV must want the chaos for ratings.

Not being familiar with foreign debates, I'd wager that the mic thing is something that's "traditionally" done. The US debates all the ground rules have to be agreed to by both parties, Trump would never agree to this as it takes away his game plan which is the only way he is able to "debate."

[psunate77]

Why are you all convinced that Kamala is good in a debate format. She was pretty poor in the Democratic primary debates. I mean would she have told Trump to shut up more? Then the media would be oooooooh, a woman is so bitchy.

Pence may surprise. I didn't realize he previously was a talk radio host, probably accustomed to the back and forth. I think he'll be able to hang with her for the most part.

Also the debate format was awful last night. When participants agree that each has two minute segments to speak to an issue, you have to turn off the other person's mic during those two minutes. Canada and Britain do this with 3,4 or even 5 people on stage. US TV must want the chaos for ratings.

Yeah, I never understood this argument. Tabby destroyed Kamala on her record on Marijuana and Kamala overall was weak in the primaries. I can't stand Pence, but he is a veteran and will hold his own or more so vs Kamala.

[Steve of phpBB]

We doomed ourselves in the primaries. We're even more doomed now.

Dems picking the "safe" candidate was never about safely winning, it was about assuring donors their wealth and future profits are safe from the rest of the country.

Absolutely. When the Dem primary voters in South Carolina went to the polls and voted for Biden in droves, it was because they wanted to assure donors that their wealth and future profits were safe from the rest of the country.

Kamala would have been phenomenal in a debate against Trump, but she failed all the Progressive Purity tests.

This is fucking nonsense given who they picked. It never had anything to do with what progressives did or didn't want.

I don't think that's correct. Progressive opposition helped doom Kamala's campaign before she could get to the point where she could be one of the last alternatives to Biden. I'm not saying that it was the deciding factor by any means, but it didn't help.

And of course it wasn't about what progressives-as-you-define-them wanted. Those folks amounted to only 25-30 percent of the Dem primary electorate, and in a democratic process, getting 25-30 percent doesn't win. And when they define themselves by their opposition to the remainder of the electorate, and one of their signature features is a proud refusal to compromise with the other groups, they have no reason to expect much of a say in the ultimate choices.

Actual progressives have to be quite happy with the majority of positions Biden is taking. Just not the folks with a singular focus on economic socialism and grievance against the rich.

[degenerasian]

Also the debate format was awful last night. When participants agree that each has two minute segments to speak to an issue, you have to turn off the other person's mic during those two minutes. Canada and Britain do this with 3,4 or even 5 people on stage. US TV must want the chaos for ratings.

Not being familiar with foreign debates, I'd wager that the mic thing is something that's "traditionally" done. The US debates all the ground rules have to be agreed to by both parties, Trump would never agree to this as it takes away his game plan which is the only way he is able to "debate."

That's true, and also the foreign debates usually have more than two party candidates. So the format is determined by the consortium and the participants can suggest some modifications. Or they can just not show up and it's their loss. Trudeau did not attend the first debate in the last election.

[Joe K]

Harris will probably be fine against Pence. Her problem in the primaries was that she hired too many consultants and was afraid to stake out clear positions on anything. She repeatedly backtracked from any stronger positions, including on her criticism of Biden on busing. There also was the absurd moment where she raised her hand in response to a debate question about who favored eliminating private health insurance in favor of Medicare for All, and then later backtracked by saying that she thought the question was if she personally would get rid of her own private insurance.

[DaveInSeattle]

Kamala would have been phenomenal in a debate against Trump

I disagree with that. Not because of any weakness on her part, but because of the inherent bias against women (and especially women of color) when dealing with an unhinged lunatic.

Its one thing for a white male to tell the President "Just shut up, man"....its completely different coming from a woman. Then it comes off a 'shrill harpy".

[Joe K]

Actual progressives have to be quite happy with the majority of positions Biden is taking. Just not the folks with a singular focus on economic socialism and grievance against the rich.

Funny that you are so dismissive of this as a real issue for “actual progressives” given the extreme level of economic inequality in this country.

[Steve of phpBB]

Actual progressives have to be quite happy with the majority of positions Biden is taking. Just not the folks with a singular focus on economic socialism and grievance against the rich.

Funny that you are so dismissive of this as a real issue for “actual progressives” given the extreme level of economic inequality in this country.

I'm not dismissive of it as *a* real issue; I'm dismissive of attempts to define progressivism by thinking of that as the *only* issue.

[psunate77]

I don't think this was a good thing for Biden to put out.. People were ripping Trump for being childish and this looks on his level.

[The Sybian]

Kamala would have been phenomenal in a debate against Trump

I disagree with that. Not because of any weakness on her part, but because of the inherent bias against women (and especially women of color) when dealing with an unhinged lunatic.

Its one thing for a white male to tell the President "Just shut up, man"....its completely different coming from a woman. Then it comes off a 'shrill harpy".

Excellent point, I was just thinking about how I would perceive her. Trump seems very focused on drawing more black voters. We've all seen how he handles minority female reporters, I can't imagine his reaction to getting called out by Kamala would go over well with black voters. I also can't imagine his refusal to call out White Supremacists will go over well with black voters.

[Joe K]

Actual progressives have to be quite happy with the majority of positions Biden is taking. Just not the folks with a singular focus on economic socialism and grievance against the rich.

Funny that you are so dismissive of this as a real issue for “actual progressives” given the extreme level of economic inequality in this country.

I'm not dismissive of it as *a* real issue; I'm dismissive of attempts to define progressivism by thinking of that as the *only* issue.

A case could very well be made that it’s the single most important issue and that poverty, environmental destruction, subpar health care, political corruption, etc. all flow from it.

[Johnnie]

I don't think this was a good thing for Biden to put out.. People were ripping Trump for being childish and this looks on his level.

Should've been a white hood.

[Steve of phpBB]

Actual progressives have to be quite happy with the majority of positions Biden is taking. Just not the folks with a singular focus on economic socialism and grievance against the rich.

Funny that you are so dismissive of this as a real issue for “actual progressives” given the extreme level of economic inequality in this country.

I'm not dismissive of it as *a* real issue; I'm dismissive of attempts to define progressivism by thinking of that as the *only* issue.

A case could very well be made that it’s the single most important issue and that poverty, environmental destruction, subpar health care, political corruption, etc. all flow from it.

Only if you are willing to ignore issues such as abortion rights, contraceptive access, and other issues relating to gender equality and equity.

And gay marriage, trans protections, and other LGBT issues.

And police violence against minorities and other issues regarding racial and religious bigotry, including racist opposition to immigration, asylum, refugee admissions, etc.

The fact that you didn't mention these kinda makes my point.

[Joe K]

Actual progressives have to be quite happy with the majority of positions Biden is taking. Just not the folks with a singular focus on economic socialism and grievance against the rich.

Funny that you are so dismissive of this as a real issue for “actual progressives” given the extreme level of economic inequality in this country.

I'm not dismissive of it as *a* real issue; I'm dismissive of attempts to define progressivism by thinking of that as the *only* issue.

A case could very well be made that it’s the single most important issue and that poverty, environmental destruction, subpar health care, political corruption, etc. all flow from it.

Only if you are willing to ignore issues such as abortion rights, contraceptive access, and other issues relating to gender equality and equity.

And gay marriage, trans protections, and other LGBT issues.

And police violence against minorities and other issues regarding racial and religious bigotry, including racist opposition to immigration, asylum, refugee admissions, etc.

The fact that you didn't mention these kinda makes my point.

The discrimination issues are complex, but one could certainly argue — and I would — that the groups you identified are disproportionately harmed by economic inequality. And poor women have much more difficulty accessing abortion providers. And police violence sure as shit is related, as it is overwhelmingly targeted at residents of poor urban neighborhoods that have been left behind by the modern economic system.

Also, do you think the “anti-rich candidates” like Sanders or Warren are worse than the Democratic Party as a whole on any of the issues you identified? Sanders was campaigning for Jesse Jackson and holding pride parades back in the 1980s.

[sancarlos]

I'm with Steve. I understand the frustration the left has with things. But, listen. This isn't aimed at any of your personally, but as a group, you have to be pragmatic. A real progressive agenda isn't electable on a national scale. It's an inconvenient truth. So, please quit whining all the time.

[Steve of phpBB]

Dude, cmon. You tried to point out other issues that were important for progressives, and you didn't even think to mention abortion or civil rights for gays or racial or religious minorities.

Yes, members of minorities probably do suffer disproportionate harm from economic problems, but they also have a whole raft of other issues and are subject to other harms that have nothing to do with that.

And those other issues don't seem to be a huge motivator for a big (mostly white, male, straight, non-disabled, and well educated) subset of the left, and those folks seem to forget that these other issues exist when they talk about who is "progressive".

I think Bernie himself is great on these issues. My point has nothing to do with him, however, but about who on the left side of the spectrum is happy with Biden's platform and who isn't.

[A_B]

I'm with Steve. I understand the frustration the left has with things. But, listen. This isn't aimed at any of your personally, but as a group, you have to be pragmatic. A real progressive agenda isn't electable on a national scale. It's an inconvenient truth. So, please quit whining all the time.

The Swamp Olds have spoken.

And not to double you guys out, but the more that the Mid 30s-40s somethings here (read: most of us) want things pushed the more likely it is to happen faster. I get that you guys have seen more of this shit than the rest of us, but maybe "it's just the way it's always been, no sense to hope" isn't the right attitude.

[Joe K]

Dude, cmon. You tried to point out other issues that were important for progressives, and you didn't even think to mention abortion or civil rights for gays or racial or religious minorities.

I’m sorry that in typing a quick post on the significance of economic inequality I didn’t not address every issue it touches upon.

Yes, members of minorities probably do suffer disproportionate harm from economic problems, but they also have a whole raft of other issues and are subject to other harms that have nothing to do with that.

Probably?

And those other issues don't seem to be a huge motivator for a big (mostly white, male, straight, non-disabled, and well educated) subset of the left, and those folks seem to forget that these other issues exist when they talk about who is "progressive".

Like Cori Bush, AOC, Jamaal Bowman, Mondaire Jones, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, or Ayanna Presley? Funny how so many of the politicians most reflective of the goals of
economic left don’t seem to be rich, white, straight males.

[mister d]

Absolutely. When the Dem primary voters in South Carolina went to the polls and voted for Biden in droves, it was because they wanted to assure donors that their wealth and future profits were safe from the rest of the country.

Absolutely. When the Dem primary voters in a state that hasn't voted Dem since before I was born went to the polls and pulled Biden into a tie with Sanders, then immediately the other two centrist candidates dropped out, it was just several independent events that by chance consolidated electors in a way that benefited those who fund the party. Some people have all the luck.

[mister d]

A real progressive agenda isn't electable on a national scale. It's an inconvenient truth. So, please quit whining all the time.

M4A is polling over 75% (I've seen up to 87%) among Democrats, over 50% nationally and we're in a fucking pandemic. And yet Democrats Fend Off Attempts to Back Medicare for All in Platform is still defended as the smart people doing the smart thing and protecting the left from themselves in November. You don't appeal to Trump loyalists by saying "look at Joe Biden, he looks like you too but he's more dignified than the other guy". You offer them something tangible and know the Republicans would have to fuck their base later on to ever take it away. There's a reason why old people still have it even though it goes against everything the Republicans believe in.

[mister d]

There's so much "it can't happen here" going on right now and its either because we truly are a unique and elite country that has things running at peak optimization or because there's a failure of imagination of both the good things this country would be capable of without people ostensibly on the right side stonewalling in service of the status quo and the bad things this country might prove capable of because said comfort with the status quo deferred counter-action.

[The Sybian]

I'm with Steve. I understand the frustration the left has with things. But, listen. This isn't aimed at any of your personally, but as a group, you have to be pragmatic. A real progressive agenda isn't electable on a national scale. It's an inconvenient truth. So, please quit whining all the time.

The Swamp Olds have spoken.

And not to double you guys out, but the more that the Mid 30s-40s somethings here (read: most of us) want things pushed the more likely it is to happen faster. I get that you guys have seen more of this shit than the rest of us, but maybe "it's just the way it's always been, no sense to hope" isn't the right attitude.

I see it as not letting perfect be the enemy of good. While I'd like to see more progressive issues pushed forward, I will gladly take a centrist who can beat Trump. Let's get Trump out, then start arguing internally about pushing Left. I don't think Biden is a great candidate, but fuck it, that's who we have and there isn't any point fighting about it right now. Yes, it's tragic that the DNC didn't learn their lesson after Hillary lost in 2016, but we can fight that battle when Biden is sitting in the WH. And if he loses, then we get the pitchforks and go after the DNC.

[DSafetyGuy]

I'm with Steve. I understand the frustration the left has with things. But, listen. This isn't aimed at any of your personally, but as a group, you have to be pragmatic. A real progressive agenda isn't electable on a national scale. It's an inconvenient truth. So, please quit whining all the time.

The Swamp Olds have spoken.

And not to double you guys out, but the more that the Mid 30s-40s somethings here (read: most of us) want things pushed the more likely it is to happen faster. I get that you guys have seen more of this shit than the rest of us, but maybe "it's just the way it's always been, no sense to hope" isn't the right attitude.

I see it as not letting perfect be the enemy of good. While I'd like to see more progressive issues pushed forward, I will gladly take a centrist who can beat Trump. Let's get Trump out, then start arguing internally about pushing Left. I don't think Biden is a great candidate, but fuck it, that's who we have and there isn't any point fighting about it right now. Yes, it's tragic that the DNC didn't learn their lesson after Hillary lost in 2016, but we can fight that battle when Biden is sitting in the WH. And if he loses, then we get the pitchforks and go after the DNC.

You're right, no one will blame Bernie supporters/progressives/"the left" if Biden loses.

It'll be all covering their own asses to protect what they've got.

[degenerasian]

So who's gonna break the news to Tim?

[Johnnie]

There's nothing more frustrating and annoying than catering to a pussified subset of liberals. Voting for Joe does not make things go back to normal.

Rip the band aid off and realize, this is our normal now. Having a very in his twilight years Joe Biden be the antidote to Trump is exhausting, bullshit, and downright laughable.

I would love LOVE if a democratic candidate called out liberals on stage in a debate and go:

"If you think voting for this racist tangerine is better than me, you deserve the country you voted to live in. Billionaires pay no taxes. Family and friends of yours are dead to a pandemic. You couldn't define socialism with a dictionary to your left and an actual socialist to your right. By all means, if you want to live in a country where you go bankrupt for getting sick, women don't have agency over their bodies, and we perform hysterectomies to women at the border while they are separated from their children, vote for Donald Trump in November.

And know that because "my decorum" wasn't palatable enough for you, people are dead and America isn't the greatest country in the world anymore. This is YOUR fault. The moderate who just cannot be bothered to feel an ounce of passion for the way things are fucked up right now. Catering to you is worse than trying to convince a Trump supporter to not vote for Trump. Know that."

This is why I'm not a politician.