The Swamp

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:40 pm**

tennbengal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:24 pm The Saints are beating the living fuck out of Tampa. Like, a holy shit beating.

Please don’t move this post to the NFL thread. It belongs here because the reason Brady is playing so horribly is that he’s heartbroken about Trump’s defeat.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:44 pm**

Drew Biden

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:08 pm**

Joe K wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:40 pm
tennbengal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:24 pm The Saints are beating the living fuck out of Tampa. Like, a holy shit beating.
Please don’t move this post to the NFL thread. It belongs here because the reason Brady is playing so horribly is that he’s heartbroken about Trump’s defeat.

This would work a lot better if a quarterback other than Brees was the beneficiary.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:13 pm**

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:33 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:25 pm
tennbengal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:53 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:50 pm People who hate defund the police don’t understand defund the police.
This is entirely true.
But those people voted. So it is important that the meaning and reasons for the phrase be explained to them.

Also, Frankly, the Black Lives Matter movement would also benefit from some concerted explanation of its meaning to the unwashed masses.
Frankly, a little intellectual curiosity wouldn't hurt some people.

This! A million times this!

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:27 pm**

A_B wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:22 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:16 pm
tennbengal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:53 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:50 pm People who hate defund the police don’t understand defund the police.
This is entirely true.
That’s a huge fucking It Depends.

“Defund” the police, based on the plain meaning of the words, means eliminate their funding.

After all the shit blew up in May/June, people started saying “we just mean reduce their budgets.” But then one of the lead activists write a NYT op-ed saying “no, we mean abolish.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... 0p19G=2103

Plenty of marchers around here were promoting abolition of the police as well.
Ffs. You miss the point. No one wants no police. Maybe the term that would fit your eye is fund things other than just arming police to the hilt and not train them to do anything but shoot people but instead make sure people trained for certaint situations respond to those instances where their expertise outstrips the police and their guns.

Steve you are smarter than this.

Dude. I personally attended protests in SLC where speakers called for the literal abolition of police departments. I’ve read their pamphlets and followed them on Twitter. In addition to reading that article entitled “Yes We Mean Literally Abolish the Police.”

Yes, *most* of the people saying “defund” or supporting the movement weren’t promoting abolition. Their goals were/are more like what you suggested. That’s why I was out there marching too. But the fact is that the group adopted a slogan meaning “defund” and enough of their leaders really did mean it. So it’s not entirely crazy for people to think that the Defund movement wanted to abolish police.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:01 pm**

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:47 pm
psunate77 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:22 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:35 pm
psunate77 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:28 pmShe isn't fucking brilliant.
This just tells me you’ve never heard her speak. (Or it says way more about you than her.)
I heard enough about Defund the Police. How that platform workout this election?
We don’t know. The results aren’t in and haven’t been analyzed. That was the exact point of my earlier post you responded to.

I personally suspect Defund hurt the Dems. Quite a bit. But (1) we don’t know, (2) we may never know, (3) Defund wasn’t AOC’s idea, (4) I don’t know if she even campaigned on it, (5) I don’t know that she advised others to campaign on it, and (6) she’s not “attacking” Conor Lamb for not campaigning on it.

It did hurt the Dems.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:30 pm**

I guess you guys don't understand my point. I understand what it means. You understand what it means. But, a lot of dumbfucks out there, do not understand, and they aren't going to get it unless we spend time pounding the explanation into their heads. It matters because they vote. And, no, they don't have any intellectual curiosity. So, if you want to prevent it from being an election liability, you need to spend a little time explaining it to the dumb fucks out there.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:39 pm**

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:30 pm So, if you want to prevent it from being an election liability, you need to spend a little time explaining it to the dumb fucks out there.

If you’re explaining, you’re losing. In politics as well as in litigation.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:45 pm**

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:39 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:30 pm So, if you want to prevent it from being an election liability, you need to spend a little time explaining it to the dumb fucks out there.
If you’re explaining, you’re losing. In politics as well as in litigation.

That’s not the answer. The answer is to get out in front of it before the message gets defined for you. Then your answer makes sense.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:48 am**

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:56 am**

The next 48-72 hours is pivotal in what may happen.

1) Trump’s legal team is going to start their battle in court over voter fraud.

2) McConnell will try to block acceptance of Biden being President until at least the legal battles are over.

3) Graham will continue to try to get states to appoint electors to bypass the popular vote.

4) Doug Collins will lead the recount of Georgia.

And the most important

5) Trump is scheduled to hold a few rallies in the Deep South where he will charge his base with hate and try to get them to act out.

Oh and there is a huge Pro-Trump March scheduled for the 14th in D.C.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:31 am**

This is going viral. (As I was driving to the airport this morning people were going out and starting to celebrate. I would've liked to partake, but I had to catch a plane.)

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:32 am**

tennbengal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:53 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:50 pm People who hate defund the police don’t understand defund the police.
This is entirely true.

This is entirely true, but in my little red bubble at work, was the leading source of animus towards Biden. Coworkers genuinely think since Biden won cities like Portland will burn to the ground since he doesn’t have the balls to send in the military. It’s asinine.

That said, if it wasn’t defund the police it would have been some other misconstrued idea taken to the absolute extreme, so I’m not that worried about it. They will find any bullshit thing to glom onto.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:56 am**

"Reform the police" would've been better, but only because you have to cater to the lowest common denominator.

And even still, anything to demilitarize the police and train them better is going to be met with clutched pearls and endless whining from the Right anyway.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:10 am**

Trump's gonna have a seizure with the pfizer data released this week instead of last. They had to have known last week.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:16 am**

I'm simultaneously here for the conniption fit from Trump's cultists, but also kinda thinking there was a conspiracy to it too.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:33 am**

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:56 am "Reform the police" would've been better, but only because you have to cater to the lowest common denominator.

And even still, anything to demilitarize the police and train them better is going to be met with clutched pearls and endless whining from the Right anyway.

I'm with you. They could've made the slogan "Demilitarize the Police", but since we're dealing with bad actors, they would've just demonized that slogan too. The fact that they get up in arms over something so basic and nonoffensive as Black Lives Matter prove we're dealing with shitbags.

"Hey, maybe black motorists shouldn't be getting shot by police during routine traffic stops."

"Oh, now you libz want to let the criminals run free!'

Seriously. Fuck these people.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:14 am**

How about we put Sergeant Steve in charge and just call it "Cum on the Police"

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:42 am**

psunate77 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:56 am The next 48-72 hours is pivotal in what may happen.

1) Trump’s legal team is going to start their battle in court over voter fraud.

2) McConnell will try to block acceptance of Biden being President until at least the legal battles are over.

3) Graham will continue to try to get states to appoint electors to bypass the popular vote.

4) Doug Collins will lead the recount of Georgia.

And the most important

5) Trump is scheduled to hold a few rallies in the Deep South where he will charge his base with hate and try to get them to act out.

Oh and there is a huge Pro-Trump March scheduled for the 14th in D.C.

You also predicted major problems at polling places and rioting in the streets.

Your track record isn't so hot on this stuff.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:56 am**

tennbengal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:45 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:10 pm Claire McCaskill, a sitting commentator, can rip progressives but progressives cannot rip Claire McCaskill. Mmmhmm.
I am behind anyone that rips McCaskill. She sucks out loud.

Here you go, then:

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:57 am**

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:16 am I'm simultaneously here for the conniption fit from Trump's cultists, but also kinda thinking there was a conspiracy to it too.

For sure.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:19 am**

So looking at the map nearly a week later, I got a huge flash of how stressed I’d still be right now if 10,270 people in WI had voted R instead of D.

Biden’s win is going to come down to around 20 to 25 thousand voters in WI-GA-AZ. Out of 160 million nationwide.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:22 am**

why are they still rioting in Portland, I'm trying to follow it but info is all over the place.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:28 am**

The Washington Post has a good overview of the various bogus Trump lawsuits. (There’s no paywall.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... C7Dqv1MEGY

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:28 am**

'rioting' probably isn't the right word

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:53 am**

Why don't you all have Nate on ignore? He's clearly not posting any of that in good faith.

Also, the fact that I dropped the football observation here is awesome - as I was literally thinking as I posted it how sad he must be over the election. Freudian posting slip...

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:57 am**

Nothing but the best people...

Man featured at Giuliani press conference is a convicted sex offender

Brooks was incarcerated in the 1990s on charges of sexual assault, lewdness and endangering the welfare of a minor for exposing himself to two girls ages 7 and 11, according to news accounts.

Brooks has run for various offices, including U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives.

“I started watching it and all of a sudden I was like, ‘there’s New Jersey’s perennial candidate claiming to live in Philadelphia and Giuliani claiming him to be a poll watcher and Philadelphia resident," Trenton Mayor Reed Gusciora said in a phone interview.

James Gee, chief of staff to U.S. Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-N.J.), also said he immediately recognized Brooks.

“Yeah, I know Daryl. It’s so fitting that he would be there,” Gee said.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:02 pm**

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... d6e0ce1dc7

That could probably go in a lot of different threads, but it's the story of how Trump and Fox are now deeply adrift, with Trump promising to "ruin" the network over perceived betrayal.

This is awesome. Please please please help tear down Fox.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:29 pm**

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:34 pm**

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:41 pm**

Frank Sowa, 6,600 followers (net 1,300), hears "their" is talk of invoking the 25th. This would be a good final post if someone were to decide to make it a final post.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:56 pm**

Maybe he owns a landscaping company?

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:58 pm**

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:56 pm Maybe he owns a landscaping company?

Sowa"n" Seeds, LLC.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:16 pm**

Sowa"n" Seeds Hoteliers, LLC

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:25 pm**

psunate77 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:29 pm

State AGs file amicus briefs on both sides of many cases before the Supreme Court. These means jack shit. But if Frank Sowa has a hot take, I reserve the right to think its a big deal.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:48 pm**

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Gunpowder, holla at your boy. Braddock PA.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:57 pm**

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:20 pm**

The language in the Barr memo itself isn't quite as troubling as what the headline suggests.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:29 pm**

Other than that things are going great.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:31 pm**

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:20 pm The language in the Barr memo itself isn't quite as troubling as what the headline suggests.

Agree, but the problem isn't that the language as described is essentially DOJ policy (they would probably have to get involved in a credible investigation that involved massive, widespread voter fraud (if one ever did exist), but it's the perception and for four years, every half-witted dipshit in the country is going to point to this as proof that the election HAD to be investigated because it was "fraudulent".

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