The Swamp

brian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:49 pm This is another great take:



The GOP has this reputation as being completely ruthless and mercenary, yet they've still not been able to stand up to Trump at any point in the last five years when it should have been easy to strangle his candidacy in the cradle. Even now, they really should have no special loyalty towards him since he's on the way out, but they continue to mollify him.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:59 pm

brian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:49 pm This is another great take:



The GOP has this reputation as being completely ruthless and mercenary, yet they've still not been able to stand up to Trump at any point in the last five years when it should have been easy to strangle his candidacy in the cradle. Even now, they really should have no special loyalty towards him since he's on the way out, but they continue to mollify him.

Well, yeah. I don't think it's about loyalty to Trump, but rather they know that he has a huge and hugely loyal following among Republican voters, one that no Republican can win without. The people who really want tax cuts and deregulation are only a small group.

The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:03 pm Trumpism is the brand until Trump gets bored and moved away from politics. Unfortunately his fragile ego won’t let him walk away quietly. He’ll find a way to cash in on his base. Probably continue his rallies and collect “campaign contributions” without running, or announce he us running in 2024 and continue violating campaign finance laws and funnel donations to his businesses.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:21 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:03 pm Trumpism is the brand until Trump gets bored and moved away from politics. Unfortunately his fragile ego won’t let him walk away quietly. He’ll find a way to cash in on his base. Probably continue his rallies and collect “campaign contributions” without running, or announce he us running in 2024 and continue violating campaign finance laws and funnel donations to his businesses.

And when Trump moves on or goes to prison or dies, there will be someone picking up the deplorables. There’s no putting the genie back in the bottle.

duff wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:13 pm But those incels go crazy for Ivanka.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:56 am So here's a fun little trivia question (well, maybe).

We all know California will be a huge source of a popular vote margin for Biden.

But what state has given Trump his largest popular vote margin?

And what the hell, what state has given Biden his second-largest?

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:13 am West by god Virginia

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:14 am

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:13 am West by god Virginia

Percentage-wise WV outstripped Tennessee, but Tennessee wins on sheer votes.

I have the other answer for Biden and it's not as surprising but does take some thought.

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:14 am

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:13 am West by god Virginia

Percentage-wise WV outstripped Tennessee, but Tennessee wins on sheer votes.

I have the other answer for Biden and it's not as surprising but does take some thought.

brian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:20 am

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:14 am

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:13 am West by god Virginia

Percentage-wise WV outstripped Tennessee, but Tennessee wins on sheer votes.

I have the other answer for Biden and it's not as surprising but does take some thought.

New York? If not New York, probably New Jersey?

brian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:39 pm This is insanely fucked up.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:56 am So here's a fun little trivia question (well, maybe).

We all know California will be a huge source of a popular vote margin for Biden.

But what state has given Trump his largest popular vote margin?

And what the hell, what state has given Biden his second-largest?

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:30 amIllinois?

I want to talk about how this will play out.

1)This will lead to Republicans calling for delays in certifying elections. Given there's, you know, NO EVIDENCE justifying those delays, they will be denied. This will give them cover to say "They certified while there were still open questions! WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?" It's a timeless con, but it's timeless because it works.

2)Elections, being run by people, are imperfect. There will almost certainly be improper or miscounted ballots--there always are, it's why states have recount procedures. What there will not be is enough to overturn any of these results--in a decently populated state you might see as many as a thousand votes switch in a sloppy election not the tens of thousands each in multiple states you would need. However, if you use the full weight of the DOJ to search, you'll almost certainly find *something.* This, will be used to explain how "obviously" there was more and Democrats stole it all.

Combine these and they have a narrative of illegitimacy that will keep Trump in our lives---and ensure that any attempt by the feds to hold him accountable for his lawlessness will seem to 40% of the country as a coup.

We aren't done defeating Trumpism, not by a long shot.

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:44 pm Was it psunate who said something a few days ago about a 'postal worker was told to switch dates'?

psunate77 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:46 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:44 pm Was it psunate who said something a few days ago about a 'postal worker was told to switch dates'?

Yeah, Glad to see this.. Hopefully this guy gets arrested.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:12 pm

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:32 pm I wish someone would make a mash-up of every time some R said 'you can't undo elections' during the impeachment hearings.