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Not sure you’re getting the numbers involved here, degen. Fox News has millions of viewers a typical night, Newsmax’s viewers couldn’t fill some high school football stadiums.

Add like even 250K to those totals and that’s an incredible win.
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Fox "moving on from Trump" only works if the network chooses to, not if they do things like cut away in prime time while Carlson and Hannity scream about the massive voter fraud. That's just having it both ways; stoke the fire while also creating evidence that you actually didn't stoke the fire.
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brian wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:39 pm Not sure you’re getting the numbers involved here, degen. Fox News has millions of viewers a typical night, Newsmax’s viewers couldn’t fill some high school football stadiums.

Add like even 250K to those totals and that’s an incredible win.
True but I just don't see it. I think the Trump brand is done.
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I think it’s exceedingly unlikely that Trump or anyone particularly close to him is prosecuted for anything, even in the absence of pardons. It’s evident from Biden’s statements during and after the campaign that he wants to be a unifying figure. Fair or not, investigating the guy who just got 71 million votes from 47% of the electorate is a great way to prevent that from happening.

And while Biden and his DOJ can’t officially tell State prosecutors what to do, they can certainly use backchannel communications to make it clear that they think Trump prosecutions are counterproductive.
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degenerasian wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:49 pm
brian wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:39 pm Not sure you’re getting the numbers involved here, degen. Fox News has millions of viewers a typical night, Newsmax’s viewers couldn’t fill some high school football stadiums.

Add like even 250K to those totals and that’s an incredible win.
True but I just don't see it. I think the Trump brand is done.
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If his brand were dead he wouldn't have the Attorney General running illegal investigations for him just to make his fee fees better.
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Joe K wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:59 pm I think it’s exceedingly unlikely that Trump or anyone particularly close to him is prosecuted for anything, even in the absence of pardons. It’s evident from Biden’s statements during and after the campaign that he wants to be a unifying figure. Fair or not, investigating the guy who just got 71 million votes from 47% of the electorate is a great way to prevent that from happening.

And while Biden and his DOJ can’t officially tell State prosecutors what to do, they can certainly use backchannel communications to make it clear that they think Trump prosecutions are counterproductive.
That sounds like a fantastic way to ensure the next would-be autocrat can finish us off completely.
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degenerasian wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:49 pm
brian wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:39 pm Not sure you’re getting the numbers involved here, degen. Fox News has millions of viewers a typical night, Newsmax’s viewers couldn’t fill some high school football stadiums.

Add like even 250K to those totals and that’s an incredible win.
True but I just don't see it. I think the Trump brand is done.
Don't agree...

BUT - I think it's going to pivot and instead of trying to sell a level of KLSS and sophistication at its properties, they'll see their market and aim down. Trump Mayo, Trump Ice Beer, Trump American Cheese.

(Only partially kidding - these are his hard core supporters, the ones who think kool aid is juice.)
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If I was not in the middle of lobbying for work from the Utah Attorney General's office, I would love to file a bar complaint over this.

And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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EnochRoot wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:10 pm
Joe K wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:59 pm I think it’s exceedingly unlikely that Trump or anyone particularly close to him is prosecuted for anything, even in the absence of pardons. It’s evident from Biden’s statements during and after the campaign that he wants to be a unifying figure. Fair or not, investigating the guy who just got 71 million votes from 47% of the electorate is a great way to prevent that from happening.

And while Biden and his DOJ can’t officially tell State prosecutors what to do, they can certainly use backchannel communications to make it clear that they think Trump prosecutions are counterproductive.
That sounds like a fantastic way to ensure the next would-be autocrat can finish us off completely.
Agreed. From Nixon to Iran-Contra to Bush Torture to Trump, that’s the path we’re on.
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Joe K wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:35 pm
EnochRoot wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:10 pm
Joe K wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:59 pm I think it’s exceedingly unlikely that Trump or anyone particularly close to him is prosecuted for anything, even in the absence of pardons. It’s evident from Biden’s statements during and after the campaign that he wants to be a unifying figure. Fair or not, investigating the guy who just got 71 million votes from 47% of the electorate is a great way to prevent that from happening.

And while Biden and his DOJ can’t officially tell State prosecutors what to do, they can certainly use backchannel communications to make it clear that they think Trump prosecutions are counterproductive.
That sounds like a fantastic way to ensure the next would-be autocrat can finish us off completely.
Agreed. From Nixon to Iran-Contra to Bush Torture to Trump, that’s the path we’re on.
I don't know about whether prosecuting Trump would be a good idea, but prosecuting the people in his circle and people who worked for him would be good.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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Isn't that essentially his entire life-to-date?
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mister d wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:57 pm Isn't that essentially his entire life-to-date?
Is it? It seems to me that no one among white collar dirtbags was being prosecuted for much of anything. Other than Kushner's dad, but he went way over the line.
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I guess I meant more that he gets what he wants at other people's expense, be it bankrupting others or having his people prosecuted.
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degenerasian wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:34 pm
brian wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:12 pm I'm trying to not get my hopes up, but I'm almost giddy with anticipation of the upcoming GOP internal civil war that Trump will bring when he starts his own network or takes over OANN or something of the sort. It will be blood in the streets type stuff and all the Dems will have to do is just stay the hell out of it and try to govern.
It won't be much of a war, Fox is well established. Trump doesn't really have money.
He doesn’t need money, just needs an investor and for some reason he always seems to get funding. Then again, that’s why the Chinese and Russian governments own him. With Trumps rabid following, I could see him getting backing for a media outlet.
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Results of those Georgia special elections just got a lot more meaningless:



To be clear, I’m talking about the filibuster issue as opposed to the Court. Keeping the filibuster in place gives McConnell veto power over any good legislation.
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Can he just flip to being a republican already? Fuck that piece of shit.
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JFC. A non-defensive party knows which committee seat he cares about and strips it the first (next) time he fucks something up.
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This isn’t good.

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Is the entire Democratic establishment just going to treat everything going on right now as a final temper tantrum that will punch itself out?

If there was ever a moment to go on tv and just say "We've fucking had it with Trump and his bullshit. They fucking lost. They know it. And they are trying to steal it back. Fuck him." now might be the time..

The rest of the world is moving on and networks aren't giving it oxygen, but it still seems concerning.
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I’ve been back and forth on that in my head. If someone does that it gives them oxygen and something to react to. Biden has been pretty steadfast for the entire campaign about depriving them of such oxygen as much as possible. If that’s what they are doing again, I am ok with it. There’s nothing to be done to stop the tantrum otherwise.
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Here's a trip down memory lane:

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Also

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tennbengal wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:12 pm I’ve been back and forth on that in my head. If someone does that it gives them oxygen and something to react to. Biden has been pretty steadfast for the entire campaign about depriving them of such oxygen as much as possible. If that’s what they are doing again, I am ok with it. There’s nothing to be done to stop the tantrum otherwise.
As you correctly point out, there's very little to be gained from engaging.

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Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:42 am
tennbengal wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:12 pm I’ve been back and forth on that in my head. If someone does that it gives them oxygen and something to react to. Biden has been pretty steadfast for the entire campaign about depriving them of such oxygen as much as possible. If that’s what they are doing again, I am ok with it. There’s nothing to be done to stop the tantrum otherwise.
As you correctly point out, there's very little to be gained from engaging.

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Definitely agree about not arguing with crazy or stupid, but you also can't normalize a President's crazy assertions by ignoring them. OTOH, Biden responding will be seen as proof he is attempting to steal the election, but then again his silence is proof he is hiding something. You can't win with cult members. I think the most important statement is all the world leaders, including Boris Johnson and Bibi making congratulations videos to Biden. Bibi specifically must have tore away at Trump. The look on Trump's face when he teed up Bibi to insult Biden and Bibi was diplomatic was beautiful. I love seeing Trump realize moments when people he thinks are friends and allies are just using him and willing to jump to Biden in a heartbeat.
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Syb, the moment Biden gives this any kind of attention, he legitimizes it for the press.
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Chris Coons was on CNN and just showed how spineless and scared Senate is.. He said he has been getting calls from Senators to congraulate Biden, but the senators say they are scared to go public with it.
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tennbengal wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:05 am Syb, the moment Biden gives this any kind of attention, he legitimizes it for the press.
Yeah, you're probably right. The way the press is handling it now, it's best for Biden to step back. I mean, even FoxNews is cutting off Trump surrogates and saying there is no evidence of fraud. If the media is suppressing Trump's argument, no reason to jump in. At some point, the transition process needs to begin, and if Trump's team isn't working towards that, something needs to give. Trump will 100% fuck over the country over a petty grievance, so national security be damned before Trump admits there is a chance he lost. He can open the transition process and continue to contest, but he sees that as a sign of weakness and potential of conceding, so it won't happen. And we know there is no chance of the Senate growing a spine and stepping in, if that is even an option. Unfortunately, yet another process that was never formalized and legislated, because of course the outgoing President will work to ensure a safe transfer of national security!
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Interesting that Lincoln Ads area still going, against the Republicans in the GA Senate runoffs

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I know Lincoln Project is anathema to many of my progressive comrades, but I still think they helped. And this is good:

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I am very familiar with both of those firms. I can say I'm very happy one of them is being raked over the coals for this. Well, I'm happy about both, but have a specific reason for the other.
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I think the Lincoln Project going after Jones Day is a terrible precedent. Attorneys should be able to represent unpopular clients without being subject to politicized pressure. How would the people applauding this feel about right-wing protestors picketing the homes of attorneys who work at law firms that represent Planned Parenthood? A real life example of this is that during the Bush years attorneys were subjected to vicious smear campaigns for representing Guantanamo prisoners.

I’d also add that attorneys at Jones Day and elsewhere are already subject to Rule 11 sanctions and bar complaints if they cross the line into frivolous filings.
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I’d also add that attorneys at Jones Day and elsewhere are already subject to Rule 11 sanctions and bar complaints if they cross the line into frivolous filings.
My ass they are. Not in these circumstances. And making sure that people know who the fuck is doing this dirty work is not a problem. If its costs them accounts, fucking good.
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Hey look, Joe K defending trump again. It's a tradition I'll be sad to see go.
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You absolutely have the right to counsel for criminal trials in this country. As far as I'm aware, you have no right to counsel in bullshit civil legal actions meant to undermine democracy.
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I admit I tried to figure out who Jones Day was honoring and why it was a holiday when I saw it trending on Twitter.
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