The Swamp

BSF21 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:01 pm Yea I don't have a blue checkmark to shout into the void at. But that!

sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:07 pm

BSF21 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:01 pm Yea I don't have a blue checkmark to shout into the void at. But that!

I see some folks in the twitterverse making a fuss about having the "verified" blue check mark.

So, somebody explain to me the (perceived) benefit of having the blue check mark?

I assumed it meant you were just recognized as an official celebrity?

brian wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:09 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:07 pm

BSF21 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:01 pm Yea I don't have a blue checkmark to shout into the void at. But that!

I see some folks in the twitterverse making a fuss about having the "verified" blue check mark.

So, somebody explain to me the (perceived) benefit of having the blue check mark?

I assumed it meant you were just recognized as an official celebrity?

It's just a verification that the account is actually who it is purporting to be, but you also have to be famous enough to have that potentially be in doubt.

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:49 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:56 pm Yeah but that’s kinda funny.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:07 am The dull light in that kid’s eyes.

Manufacturing jobs and the promise of a middle class life they would provide have all but evaporated. Renewable energy jobs are great, but TBH, I could get behind an America-first initiative that basically says that if you're selling a car in this country, you better be producing x% of the parts here. How the hell did we let this happen?

The simple fact of the matter is you have got to have manufacturing in this country. Full scale, every city.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:47 pm All of that is the reason why Andrew Yang wants UBI for everyone.

How the hell are you going to take care of a nation of 320+ million people when we've "leaned" the fuck out of everything? America put profits above people.

Despite having a redonkulous GDP and more millionaires and billionaires than ever before ("job creators"), people are going hungry, destitute, and living off of a program like Social Security that will get axed before I'm able to pull from it.

And the lack of education at the lowest level is so bad that people believe black and brown people are the culprits for their situation and not the concentration of wealth and the failed theory of "Trickle Down" economics from whites at the top.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:36 pm There seriously needs to be a mass exodus of people from that state.

What shit.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:06 am Are we still sure the military won't need to get involved?

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:10 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:06 am Are we still sure the military won't need to get involved?

Yes. States are going to start certifying results this week. Biden will announce various appointees. Trump will rant about Dominion and Venezuela and no one will listen. Then he’ll head down to Mar-a-lago and quite possibly not even come back to DC.

Square Rob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:22 am God I hope so. I hate this so much. It has me raving insanely to myself as I drive.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:53 am How might the constitution protect against gaslighting and blatant mis/disinformation campaigns?

False Speech goes beyond a 1A issue. It tramples upon our digital rights, too, which aren’t really codified into the document as of yet.

Square Rob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:22 am God I hope so. I hate this so much. It has me raving insanely to myself as I drive.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:53 am How might the constitution protect against gaslighting and blatant mis/disinformation campaigns?

False Speech goes beyond a 1A issue. It tramples upon our digital rights, too, which aren’t really codified into the document as of yet.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:08 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:53 am How might the constitution protect against gaslighting and blatant mis/disinformation campaigns?

False Speech goes beyond a 1A issue. It tramples upon our digital rights, too, which aren’t really codified into the document as of yet.

I don’t see any way the constitution would allow governmental restrictions of “false speech,” except in the narrow areas that are actionable under the common law. On the other hand, Twitter legally could suspend Trump’s account any time.

BSF21 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:52 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:08 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:53 am How might the constitution protect against gaslighting and blatant mis/disinformation campaigns?

False Speech goes beyond a 1A issue. It tramples upon our digital rights, too, which aren’t really codified into the document as of yet.

I don’t see any way the constitution would allow governmental restrictions of “false speech,” except in the narrow areas that are actionable under the common law. On the other hand, Twitter legally could suspend Trump’s account any time.

At what point are we entering “yelling fire in a crowded theatre” level speech? I’d argue we’re well past that.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:08 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:53 am How might the constitution protect against gaslighting and blatant mis/disinformation campaigns?

False Speech goes beyond a 1A issue. It tramples upon our digital rights, too, which aren’t really codified into the document as of yet.

I don’t see any way the constitution would allow governmental restrictions of “false speech,” except in the narrow areas that are actionable under the common law. On the other hand, Twitter legally could suspend Trump’s account any time.

Barry Chudakov, founder and principal, Sertain Research and StreamFuzion Corp. wrote:

“To preserve civil liberties while reducing fake and misleading information, we bump headlong into the need for information standards. We have a constitutional Bill of Rights not because one day in 1789 James Madison decided it might be nice to have; we have the Bill of Rights because our personal rights were being abused and early Americans needed to be persuaded that the federal government would respect their basic rights.

“We now need an Information Bill of Rights with international signatories.

“We need to take into account the ubiquity of personal information and tracking; we need to institutionalize information watchdogs who will review collection and revelation standards from both programmed AI and live captures. We are in a new world and we need new-world tools and standards to establish protocols and protections. Included in the Information Bill of Rights should be such protections as: freedom of the press’ sources named and unnamed; the right to both protect and disseminate information for the public good; the right to know who is collecting data on you, or anyone, and the right to see all levels of that data – to name a few.

“The democratization of data brings with it the responsibility to establish widely adopted governance protocols. According to EMC: “by 2020 [the digital universe will contain] nearly as many digital bits as there are stars in the universe. It is doubling in size every two years, and by 2020 the digital universe – the data we create and copy annually – will reach 44 zettabytes, or 44 trillion gigabytes.” While these sums are mind-boggling, even more boggling is that we are letting this information ship go without steering, without a rudder. We can preserve civil liberties once we establish a set of standards for collection, transparency, transmission, and other key issues.
This is a self-service data invasion “created by everyone using a digital camera, by the more than 2 billion people and millions of enterprises living their lives and doing their work online, and by the millions of sensors and communicating devices sending and receiving data over the Internet.” [EMC]

“Before we consider what, if any, rights might have to be curtailed, we should assess where we are – namely in the weeds. We have taken a laissez faire attitude to one of the most powerful forces ever unleashed by humans: exponentially multiplying information and information collection and manipulation systems.

“Once we have formulated, and there is broad adoption of, an Information Bill of Rights, the next step to reduce fake and misleading information is to educate as well as inform. Free citizens in the new information environment have a unique imperative: we all must be information omnivores because we now see clearly that information does not have a neutral intent; bad actors are using misinformation to effect their agendas. Just as we educate children about personal hygiene and proper nutrition, from an early age, we must teach our children – and then insist on adults in positions of authority – that they balance information sources and facts from a broad stream of media.

“Narrowcasting is the enemy of freedom. Broadcasting, and broad thinking, will preserve democratic perspectives and voices.”