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Re: 2020 NBA Draft & Off-season Extravaganza

Post by tennbengal » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:38 pm

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I cannot believe I missed the draft. Too many distractions. Who should I be laughing at?
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Post by DSafetyGuy » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:51 pm

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I just woke up. Fucking what.
Charlotte has to overpay to get people to come there (to be clear, it is a bad contract). He's not a bad guy to bring in for their situation. They have a lot of promising young talent and he's not a guy who's going to overwhelm them with his personality in a negative way. Instead, he can help by being an established veteran leader and #1 option on offense, including creating late in the shot clock, while still helping their young guys (Bridges, Graham, Washington, Ball) develop.

They're getting killed even more for stretching Batum's contract instead of just riding it out with him for this season, which is essentially like tacking another $9+ million per year onto Hayward's cost for three years, limiting their cap space in the future when they might look at extending some of their young talent.
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Post by A_B » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:56 pm

Yeah I feel like you probably could have gotten Hayward for 20-30 million less total value while he still locked in more than his Boston contract. I mean it has to be his last contract. This one is weird.
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Post by mister d » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:21 pm

I’m late but this is still good:
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Post by DSafetyGuy » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:17 pm

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Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:56 pm
Yeah I feel like you probably could have gotten Hayward for 20-30 million less total value while he still locked in more than his Boston contract. I mean it has to be his last contract. This one is weird.
Yeah, Hayward left more on the table for this year to opt out for better long term bucks. There is no way he would have gotten more over the next four years than this if he had opted in.

Boston fishing for a sign-and-trade was not going to happen with Charlotte. I'm sure Charlotte would have said "Rozier and Batum or he'll just sign with us, anyway."
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Post by EdRomero » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:41 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:17 pm
A_B wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:56 pm
Yeah I feel like you probably could have gotten Hayward for 20-30 million less total value while he still locked in more than his Boston contract. I mean it has to be his last contract. This one is weird.
Yeah, Hayward left more on the table for this year to opt out for better long term bucks. There is no way he would have gotten more over the next four years than this if he had opted in.

Boston fishing for a sign-and-trade was not going to happen with Charlotte. I'm sure Charlotte would have said "Rozier and Batum or he'll just sign with us, anyway."
Looks like there might be something. Yesterday it looked like they were gonna get something back from Indiana for Hayward but Charlotte upping the offer ruined that. Dan Greenberg (barstool) is theorizing they'll free up money to go after Bogdanovic but that's probably wishful thinking.

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Post by DSafetyGuy » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:01 am

EdRomero wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:41 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:17 pm
A_B wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:56 pm
Yeah I feel like you probably could have gotten Hayward for 20-30 million less total value while he still locked in more than his Boston contract. I mean it has to be his last contract. This one is weird.
Yeah, Hayward left more on the table for this year to opt out for better long term bucks. There is no way he would have gotten more over the next four years than this if he had opted in.

Boston fishing for a sign-and-trade was not going to happen with Charlotte. I'm sure Charlotte would have said "Rozier and Batum or he'll just sign with us, anyway."
Looks like there might be something. Yesterday it looked like they were gonna get something back from Indiana for Hayward but Charlotte upping the offer ruined that. Dan Greenberg (barstool) is theorizing they'll free up money to go after Bogdanovic but that's probably wishful thinking.
I just don't see it, barring stupidity on the Hornets' part, which is admittedly always a possibility. Batum has one year at $27M left and Rozier, who is a lot less important to the Hornets after Devonte Graham's development last season and the drafting of Ball, has two at $37M total left. Beyond that, they have Cody Zeller on an expiring at $15.4M and a bunch of small change guys (Malik Monk at $5.3M who won't get a qualifying offer is the most expensive). It's a really young team (most under 25) with a couple better players nearing free agency, so clearing the deck to let young guys play and removing salary from future seasons (moving Rozier, avoiding stretching Batum's contract) should be the Hornets' motivation.

It's possible I'm missing something, but unless any deal includes Batum and Rozier, it's just helping Boston, which shouldn't be the Hornets' goal.
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Post by Shirley » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:12 am

It was a good few days for former Virginia Cavaliers. Joe Harris resigned with the Nets for nearly $19m/year. Then, Anthony Gill signed a two-year deal with the Wizards, moving over from Europe. Lastly, undrafted Mamadi Diakite signed a two-way deal with Milwaukee. UVA isn't producing stars like Duke and Kentucky, but Tony Bennett is turning a lot of unheralded high school prospects into NBA players.
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Post by Giff » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:28 am

I vote this his how it works every year. Forget the mid-summer stuff, draft/free agency in the same week a month before the season starts.
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Post by mister d » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:31 am

Shirley wrote:
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It was a good few days for former Virginia Cavaliers. Joe Harris resigned with the Nets for nearly $19m/year. Then, Anthony Gill signed a two-year deal with the Wizards, moving over from Europe. Lastly, undrafted Mamadi Diakite signed a two-way deal with Milwaukee. UVA isn't producing stars like Duke and Kentucky, but Tony Bennett is turning a lot of unheralded high school prospects into NBA players.
I really thought Justin Anderson was going to end up a solid rotation player.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft & Off-season Extravaganza

Post by Shirley » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:12 am

mister d wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:31 am
Shirley wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:12 am
It was a good few days for former Virginia Cavaliers. Joe Harris resigned with the Nets for nearly $19m/year. Then, Anthony Gill signed a two-year deal with the Wizards, moving over from Europe. Lastly, undrafted Mamadi Diakite signed a two-way deal with Milwaukee. UVA isn't producing stars like Duke and Kentucky, but Tony Bennett is turning a lot of unheralded high school prospects into NBA players.
I really thought Justin Anderson was going to end up a solid rotation player.
Yeah, me too. In fact, I thought that was his floor. But he's struggled to stick in the league. Not really sure why - he's athletic, he has good shooting range, and he can defend. He's never been a great ballhandler though, and maybe his court awareness just isn't good enough.
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Post by EdRomero » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:13 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:01 am
EdRomero wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:41 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:17 pm
A_B wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:56 pm
Yeah I feel like you probably could have gotten Hayward for 20-30 million less total value while he still locked in more than his Boston contract. I mean it has to be his last contract. This one is weird.
Yeah, Hayward left more on the table for this year to opt out for better long term bucks. There is no way he would have gotten more over the next four years than this if he had opted in.

Boston fishing for a sign-and-trade was not going to happen with Charlotte. I'm sure Charlotte would have said "Rozier and Batum or he'll just sign with us, anyway."
Looks like there might be something. Yesterday it looked like they were gonna get something back from Indiana for Hayward but Charlotte upping the offer ruined that. Dan Greenberg (barstool) is theorizing they'll free up money to go after Bogdanovic but that's probably wishful thinking.
I just don't see it, barring stupidity on the Hornets' part, which is admittedly always a possibility. Batum has one year at $27M left and Rozier, who is a lot less important to the Hornets after Devonte Graham's development last season and the drafting of Ball, has two at $37M total left. Beyond that, they have Cody Zeller on an expiring at $15.4M and a bunch of small change guys (Malik Monk at $5.3M who won't get a qualifying offer is the most expensive). It's a really young team (most under 25) with a couple better players nearing free agency, so clearing the deck to let young guys play and removing salary from future seasons (moving Rozier, avoiding stretching Batum's contract) should be the Hornets' motivation.

It's possible I'm missing something, but unless any deal includes Batum and Rozier, it's just helping Boston, which shouldn't be the Hornets' goal.
Celtics threw in 2 2nd rounders and now get a $28 million trade exception, which gives them potential to make a good move for this season or next.

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Post by DSafetyGuy » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:00 pm

EdRomero wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:13 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:01 am
EdRomero wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:41 pm
Looks like there might be something. Yesterday it looked like they were gonna get something back from Indiana for Hayward but Charlotte upping the offer ruined that. Dan Greenberg (barstool) is theorizing they'll free up money to go after Bogdanovic but that's probably wishful thinking.
I just don't see it, barring stupidity on the Hornets' part, which is admittedly always a possibility. Batum has one year at $27M left and Rozier, who is a lot less important to the Hornets after Devonte Graham's development last season and the drafting of Ball, has two at $37M total left. Beyond that, they have Cody Zeller on an expiring at $15.4M and a bunch of small change guys (Malik Monk at $5.3M who won't get a qualifying offer is the most expensive). It's a really young team (most under 25) with a couple better players nearing free agency, so clearing the deck to let young guys play and removing salary from future seasons (moving Rozier, avoiding stretching Batum's contract) should be the Hornets' motivation.

It's possible I'm missing something, but unless any deal includes Batum and Rozier, it's just helping Boston, which shouldn't be the Hornets' goal.
Celtics threw in 2 2nd rounders and now get a $28 million trade exception, which gives them potential to make a good move for this season or next.
Yep, the Hornets did the dumb thing and stretched Batum's deal, so it's costing them an extra $9 million a year in cap space for each of the first three years of Hayward's deal.
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Post by HaulCitgo » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:12 pm

Maybe a straight salary dump but who to the Cs have other than tatum, brown, walker or smart that someone would want?

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Post by DSafetyGuy » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:28 pm

HaulCitgo wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:12 pm
Maybe a straight salary dump but who to the Cs have other than tatum, brown, walker or smart that someone would want?
I think the Hornets would hav been better served to just not bother and let Batum play out his expiring this year, maybe buying him out in-season and not lose the cap space in future years. They have to overpay to get good players (I don't see this drastically changing in the next three seasons), so cap space should hold more value to them.
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Post by wlu_lax6 » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:48 pm

Rockets send Westbrook to the Wizards for John Wall and a first-round draft pick. Probably good for everyone but I don't think this makes the Wizards a championship contender. Playoffs yes but deep playoffs...not sure. Means mid/late draft picks.

Beal, Westbrook, Rui, Robin Lopez, Bertans, Ish....mmmm not sure this will get me to pay attention. Last time I cared was the Hibachi years.

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Post by mister d » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:23 pm

Seems good the Knicks didn't get themselves involved here.
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Post by Ryan » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:21 am

wlu_lax6 wrote:
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I don't think this makes the Wizards a championship contender. Playoffs yes but deep playoffs..
Wow. They will fight for the 8th seed at best.
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Ryan wrote:
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I don't think this makes the Wizards a championship contender. Playoffs yes but deep playoffs..
Wow. They will fight for the 8th seed at best.
Spoken like a true Houston fan. (The pick is lottery protected this year)

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Post by Giff » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:06 am

I'm a fan. Now have possible three first rounders next year and you go into the season with some stability. This isn't a move you make if you're looking to move Harden, IMO. If Wall is healthy and Wood is the real deal, there's no reason to believe this team can't compete for the 2 seed given what the other teams not named Laker

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Post by mister d » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:32 am

What if the real goal is a teardown where they're better positioned with an extra 1st plus possible insurance money?
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Post by Giff » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:37 am

I feel like if they were going to do that the haul for Westbrook would have been more draft pick centric rather than taking back nearly the same exact salary for the next three years.
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Post by Ryan » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:04 am

That's how NBA trades go.
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Post by A_B » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:18 pm

Giff wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:06 am
I'm a fan. Now have possible three first rounders next year and you go into the season with some stability. This isn't a move you make if you're looking to move Harden, IMO. If Wall is healthy and Wood is the real deal, there's no reason to believe this team can't compete for the 2 seed given what the other teams not named Laker

AB, you on the bandwagon???
Is lebron on the Rockets now?
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Post by Brontoburglar » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:07 pm

the Rockets are no better than fifth in the West ... maybe even sixth depending on how you want to view the Warriors

and then there's the Blazers and the Suns and the Mavericks ...
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Post by DSafetyGuy » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:12 pm

Hollinger summed up his trade analysis for the Rockets as "they've already traded Harden, they just don't know it yet". In summation, they've already gone far enough down the road of tearing it all down, they should just finish the job.
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Post by DSafetyGuy » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:15 pm

Based on Chris Paul's two remaining years under contract, I'm curious as to if Phoenix's plan is to keep him around for just one year to push the young guys on the roster, then flip him as an expiring contract next season before his personality grates too much on those young guys.
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