2021 NFL Black Sunday Night, Etc.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:00 pm

So the whole WFAN thing was because of the report the Jets are his #1 destination.

Post by **brian** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:10 pm

After the news he would be traded, Lions fans have raised $25,000 for a charity to help those suffering with the same brain tumor that Kelly Stafford had.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:11 pm

Remember when the Texans benched Tom feckin’’ Savage and have Watson the job, and he immediately made the Texans’ offense dynamic and productive? He’s not going to regress to being Sam Darnold. Give up the three #1 picks, including the #2 overall.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:24 pm

Its nothing against Watson, just the belief that the Jets could ruin any QB.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:25 pm

Since Watson holds a no-trade clause, that sounds like he can really turn the screws if he wanted to. Because if I were him, I’d push that a team, say the Jets, send no more than one 1st-rounder or he’s blocking it. That way, he can move to the Jets without the future cupboard being bare. I’d be totally for Watson screwing Houston considering the way they tore down everything around him.

Sorry Giff and TT.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:07 pm

At the same time, he's under contract for quite a while and the Texans could say fuck off, sit or play. I'm not expecting them to do that and support Watson wanting to get out. I would too.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:11 pm

Yeah, "fuck you go sit" works if its LeVeon Bell, not when its your QB and you're looking at the #2 overall.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:14 pm

On Get Up, they were talking about how Watson may try to take the NBA player lead and bully/arrange a way to get him and his friends on the same team, so instead of the Nets super team, you have the Jets super team. NBA player contracts are so much better than the NFL ones, but it would be okay to see players have more power (but not by helping the Jets bring a QB who seems to do very well against the Patriots).

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:22 pm

Fuck the Jets.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:11 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:11 pm Yeah, "fuck you go sit" works if its LeVeon Bell, not when its your QB and you're looking at the #2 overall.

Pretty much my exact argument to my friends who are all "Fuck Deshaun, make him sit!" There's no way they're getting to that situation with Watson. And if they do, they're dumber than they've already proven they are.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:54 pm

Unless Watson starts tanking. Oops, another INT.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:33 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:54 pm Unless Watson starts tanking. Oops, another INT.

That would tank his value. He won’t do that.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:43 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:33 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:54 pm Unless Watson starts tanking. Oops, another INT.
That would tank his value. He won’t do that.

He's no Vince Carter.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:40 pm

h/t Defector

Unbelievable!

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:51 pm

8th viewing. Still cringing.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:12 pm

Ryan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:51 pm 8th viewing. Still cringing.

So now that things in Cleveland are better, it would seem that Jesus has chosen the Texans to be the new Browns.

Post by **brian** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:46 pm

He’s still not through torturing the Lions. Bobby Layne must have done some really bad shit.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:49 pm

I mean, cincinnati still in the vengeful deity crosshairs too, for certain.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:53 am

Pruitt wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:12 pm
Ryan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:51 pm 8th viewing. Still cringing.
So now that things in Cleveland are better, it would seem that Jesus has chosen the Texans to be the new Browns.

I mean, we're nose diving fast and all, but we have won multiple playoff games this decade.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:48 am

Giff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:53 am
Pruitt wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:12 pm
Ryan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:51 pm 8th viewing. Still cringing.
So now that things in Cleveland are better, it would seem that Jesus has chosen the Texans to be the new Browns.
I mean, we're nose diving fast and all, but we have won multiple playoff games this decade.

Me, in 1991...

Post by **brian** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:13 pm

Stafford to Rams for Goff, 2 1sts and a 3rd. Rams Fanny actually called this one in a text to me right after Stafford went on market.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:32 pm

Goff doesn’t seem like a chewing on kneecaps kind of guy

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:14 pm

Am I wrong or is that a really good deal for the Lions?

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:23 pm

Giff wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:14 pm Am I wrong or is that a really good deal for the Lions?

Two 1s, a 3, and a competent starting QB for someone who was going to leave one way or another? That’s a great deal for Detroit

And I’m glad to see Stafford going to a quality team with good talent around him. He certainly has done yeoman’s work for years without much fanfare or team success; if anyone deserves good things coming his way it’s him.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:06 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:23 pm
Giff wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:14 pm Am I wrong or is that a really good deal for the Lions?
Two 1s, a 3, and a competent starting QB for someone who was going to leave one way or another? That’s a great deal for Detroit

And I’m glad to see Stafford going to a quality team with good talent around him. He certainly has done yeoman’s work for years without much fanfare or team success; if anyone deserves good things coming his way it’s him.

100% agree. Always liked Stafford, excited to see him walking into what seems like a great situation for him. Rams must think he is Stafford is the missing piece to win it all next year. Maybe he is.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:34 am

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:30 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:34 am

Astounding!

And if 32 year old Matt Stafford (who is barely one of the top 10 QBs in the league) is worth that kind of package, what is DeShaun Watson worth?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:38 am

Pruitt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:30 am

Astounding!

And if 32 year old Matt Stafford (who is barely one of the top 10 QBs in the league) is worth that kind of package, what is DeShaun Watson worth?

That’s my fear looking at that. While I’d love to get Watson, at some point the Jets are better with Darnold and three 1st rounders and a bunch of 2nd rounders.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:49 am

The trade for Stafford was also a trade to dump Goff's salary, so comparisons to Watson might not matter unless the Texans take on a big contract in their trade.

Post by **brian** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:19 am

EdRomero wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:49 am The trade for Stafford was also a trade to dump Goff's salary, so comparisons to Watson might not matter unless the Texans take on a big contract in their trade.

Was gonna make that point. Was smart for Lions to take the contract though because either Goff gets the kick in the ass he needs and becomes worth it or the Lions can release him in 2023 with little repercussions financially. If he’s available still I expect the Lions to draft the BYU QB with the #7 pick but they’ll have the luxury of letting him sit behind Goff for one year.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:57 am

Or if Goff looks competent, the Lions can trade him for more assets. They got a great return

Post by **brian** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:41 pm

Also, if true, LOL...

Rams Fanny · Post by **Rams Fanny** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:25 pm

Objectively the Lions got the better of this deal at the moment. However from the Rams side:
1) YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS! McVay finally has a QB he doesn't have to walk through every.single.play. He also now can rest assured his QB will look downfield if his primary receiver isn't open instead of checking down every time. He likely has a happy hangover this morning.
2) Draft stuff: Rams haven't drafted in the first round since Goff (2016). Per their Athletic beat reporter Jourdan Rodrigue (really good Twitter follow btw. She was the reporter Cam laughed at when she asked a receiver route question several years ago) The Rams assume they will draft late so don't value as much as other teams do so have been using for trades. Their arrogance leads me to believe the 3rds were a bigger deal.
3) While not a ton of cap relief, they will likely get Stafford an extension which will free up enough to keep their FA starters which they are desperate to do. The team believes their 53 are as good as any in the League. Outside of the OL, it's tough to argue.
4) Rams now have to be considered Top 2 in the NFC assuming relative good health.
5) Goff isn't devoid of skill, seems like a good guy, and doesn't seem to get frustrated (even when he should). Fact remains he's been coddled to a large extent by McVay for four seasons but even that was lessening at the end of this year. I offer the Lions new HC is the worst possible fit for Goff. He may make him cry.

When do training camps open?

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:33 pm

I'd also argue that ranking QBs is impossible because so much of that ranking depends on a supporting cast and therefore the argument (in this impossible and flawed discussion) that Stafford is *now* a top 10 QB is a relatively solid one.

Post by **brian** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:58 pm

There's a case to be made the Lions don't take a QB this draft. For starters there should be NFL-ready (or at least ready-ish) QBs in every draft and the Lions are married to Goff for at least two more years. If they don't draft a QB they can fill some holes at other positions (OL, LB, DB) with their two top-40 picks and then punt the QB decision for one more year. If Goff stinks it up in 2021 they'll have two 1st round picks in 2022 including another presumably high one no matter what the Rams do and they can draft a QB to groom to take over in 2023.

The more I think about it and with the potential that Goff still has it might be too soon to think about taking a QB in the 1st round (that said, they might be well-served to try and see how good Holmes' college scouting skills are (it's the main reason they hired him) and see what he can do by taking a flyer on a late-round pick at QB. They likely have to draft a QB somewhere because the current backups are hot trash and don't belong on an NFL roster, so I assume the team would prefer to at least have someone with some potential in the QB room as opposed to just warm bodies.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:30 pm

the top 2022 draft QBs are Spencer Rattler, Sam Howell, Brock Purdy, Matt Corral and ... Dillon Gabriel? if I was making a list off the top of my head right now

obviously that could change (see: Wilson, Zach and Lance, Trey) but 2021 would seem to be the time to take a QB especially given the relatively minimal dead money on Goff's contract if he isn't great in 2021

(and I'm really high on Rattler and Howell. I think Rattler is really, really good)

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:43 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:30 pm the top 2022 draft QBs are Spencer Rattler, Sam Howell, Brock Purdy, Matt Corral and ... Dillon Gabriel? if I was making a list off the top of my head right now

obviously that could change (see: Wilson, Zach and Lance, Trey) but 2021 would seem to be the time to take a QB especially given the relatively minimal dead money on Goff's contract if he isn't great in 2021

(and I'm really high on Rattler and Howell. I think Rattler is really, really good)

Spencer Rattler sounds like the name of a guy in a sports novel.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:54 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:43 pm Spencer Rattler sounds like the name of a guy in a sports novel.

Or a dirty outlaw in a Western novel where Matt Coral is the hero who hunts him down.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:08 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:43 pm
Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:30 pm the top 2022 draft QBs are Spencer Rattler, Sam Howell, Brock Purdy, Matt Corral and ... Dillon Gabriel? if I was making a list off the top of my head right now

obviously that could change (see: Wilson, Zach and Lance, Trey) but 2021 would seem to be the time to take a QB especially given the relatively minimal dead money on Goff's contract if he isn't great in 2021

(and I'm really high on Rattler and Howell. I think Rattler is really, really good)
Spencer Rattler sounds like the name of a guy in a sports novel.

Straight out of a Gil Thorp comic strip...

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:32 pm

Johnny Carwash wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:54 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:43 pm Spencer Rattler sounds like the name of a guy in a sports novel.
Or a dirty outlaw in a Western novel where Matt Coral is the hero who hunts him down.

And Matt Coral is ultimately betrayed by powerful rancher Brock Purdy.