2021 NFL Black Sunday Night, Etc.

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Post by EnochRoot » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:13 pm

As one of the resident Bucs fans on this board, I gotta say that I'm pleased with the Bucs' off-season so far.
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Post by brian » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:13 pm

Like I just saw the Jets signed Corey Davis to 3 years, $37.5M with $27M guaranteed. Just a ridiculous signing, especially with the cap going down this year. With how easy the NFL makes it to retain not only elite, but even very good players, you have to put a huge question mark on almost any player that actually manages to make it to FA and assume there's a good reason for it and throwing huge money at the guys that do make it through almost never works (though I will say that in general teams seem to be wising up with regards to term in these deals. I don't know if that's a COVID thing with the cap down or a trend, but it bodes well for teams to not have to continually be eating millions in dead money every year.)

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Post by DSafetyGuy » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:41 pm

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(Sorry, DSafe, had to do it.)
No problem. They've actually signed a handful of exclusive rights free agents, Cairo Santos (kicker), Pat O'Donnell (punter) and Mario Edwards Jr. (rotational defensive end who has a two-game suspension to start next season and "misdemeanor assault on a female" charge hanging over his head). Banner offseason.

Besides, they're going for Alex Smith because he previously played in the Andy Reid offense. That'll make watching games even more fun.
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Post by EdRomero » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:23 pm

tennbengal wrote:
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So what's the alternative for a team that lost so much of its roster after years of winning, being pinned to a tight cap situation, and with bad draft picks? Before the Covid opt out last year, they barely had space to sign Cam Newton to a low contract. After the opt outs, nobody good was available, so their roster had many weaknesses. Now they have tons of cap space when other teams don't; so they shouldn't go after these players and if they do, you say it's because Tom Brady won a Super Bowl without him?

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Post by brian » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:34 pm

There aren’t great options in that situation, no. You gotta take a couple swings in FA for sure but you’re not gonna hit on that many signings it’s been tried and tried again and it never works. The Pats have been in the enviable position on using their cap space on guys they’ve drafted and developed for the most part.

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Post by brian » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:38 pm

I mean if anyone can tell you this strategy never works you should believe it from Lions, Bears and Bengals fans.

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Post by tennbengal » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:39 pm

I mean, yeah. Bengals owned FA last year, and...

Then again, they are apparently sitting this one out, and that's gonna equally suck.

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Post by HaulCitgo » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:44 pm

Totally depends on who you sign for what money under what terms. What other teams do has no bearing. Pats have way more talent than they did yesterday. Maybe they'll be hamstrung later by these contracts if too many guys miss. We'll see how good a contracts guy matt patricia is.

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Post by Pruitt » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:52 pm

Bills doing a good job keeping a couple of key starters.
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Post by EdRomero » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:56 pm

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What has most directly sparked such an aggressive approach, according to those familiar with the thinking, is the view the 2021 offseason was a rare opportunity based on the NFL's plummeting salary cap.

Remember, the cap dropped to $182.5 million this year. It was $198.2 million in 2020, so this marked the first drop since the collective bargaining agreement of 2011.Because of that, it thinned the field of teams the Patriots were competing against for free agents because many teams were scrambling just to get under the cap. That sweetened the free-agent pool, making players in the prime years of their career available who might have otherwise not hit the market; consider that Smith and Bourne are 25, Godchaux and Mills are 26, Agholor is 27 and Judon 28.

So with an abundance of salary-cap space to work with, and knowing the cap is going to spike in the coming years because of new television broadcast deals, Belichick and the Patriots went all-in like never before.

In the perfect Patriots world, they have capitalized on unprecedented market conditions, dramatically improving the team.

In the worst-case scenario, they have overthought it, strayed too far from their draft-and-develop roots by committing too much to non-homegrown players, and will ultimately pay a similar price that other teams who also "won" free agency in March have in past years.
On a different note, the Chiefs getting Thuney should be a great move for them.

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Post by Brontoburglar » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:16 pm

I don't think the Chiefs are done on the offensive line after Thuney either. I wouldn't be shocked if they get Trent Williams and then hope that Lucas Niang is ready to play at RT to start the season/draft another tackle fairly early.

I would also bet they try to sign a wide receiver fairly reasonably and then address everywhere else in the draft.
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Post by GoodKarma » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:30 pm

tennbengal wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:39 pm
I mean, yeah. Bengals owned FA last year, and...

Then again, they are apparently sitting this one out, and that's gonna equally suck.
So much for Duke Tobins’s “we are certainly not going to sit on our hands” comment from last week.
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Post by HaulCitgo » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:36 pm

Day one. Free agency can be won in the later stages. Better after guys realize the market isn't there.

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Post by tennbengal » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:43 pm

GoodKarma wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:30 pm
tennbengal wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:39 pm
I mean, yeah. Bengals owned FA last year, and...

Then again, they are apparently sitting this one out, and that's gonna equally suck.
So much for Duke Tobins’s “we are certainly not going to sit on our hands” comment from last week.
The non-stop anger of Bengals twitter finally got some action...Trey Hendrickson. A Lawson replacement. Prob a downgrade but at least it isn't drowning.

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Post by sancarlos » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:46 pm

After watching a lot of the 49ers last season, I don’t think Trent Williams is the Trent Williams of old anymore. IMHO, if somebody gives him a fat deal, they’ll regret it.
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Post by DaveInSeattle » Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:38 pm

I can't believe the Seahawks are even considering trading Russell Wilson.

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Post by Pruitt » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:18 am

DaveInSeattle wrote:
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I can't believe the Seahawks are even considering trading Russell Wilson.
It's inconceivably stupid.

I know it's just a rumour from an anonymous source, but look at the headline of this story from the NY Daily News...

Pete Carroll high on Sam Darnold as possible Russell Wilson replacement: source

If I was a Seahawks fan, this would make my head explode.
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Post by mister d » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:23 am

It sure would be funny if this was Seattle trying to chase their 1st round picks from the Adams trade back down.
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Post by EdRomero » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:10 am

Pats get Hunter Henry. I really hope they have a QB that can throw

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Post by HaulCitgo » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:14 am

U serioous?

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Post by EdRomero » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:16 am

I am serious and don't call me Shirley. Trying to do Gronk/Hernandez again (without the murdering)

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Post by mister d » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:17 am

Wow. Patriots trade for Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson and Jimmy Garoppolo.
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Post by Rush2112 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:40 am

EdRomero wrote:
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Pats get Hunter Henry. I really hope they have a QB that can throw
I think they're filling holes in FA so Bill can package more picks (and maybe Gilmore?) to move up to get Lance.
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Post by HaulCitgo » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:23 am

Hope not. Id rather they go triple option with the type of talent they have. Definitely 2TE. If they can get Andrews back the OL could be a strength without Thuney. They need a MLB. That should be the 1st round pick. Knowing Belichick hell probably draft 3, a couple special teams guys, a middy and a Naval Air Reserve officer.

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Post by tennbengal » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:54 am

Any Jets fans left in here? Syb?

Carl Lawson is a GREAT human being. Like, a ton of fun. A really good guy. He's a really good Edge too, but your team is simply more interesting just having him on it. Sorry to see him go. Huge Anime fan too.

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tennbengal wrote:
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Any Jets fans left in here? Syb?

Carl Lawson is a GREAT human being. Like, a ton of fun. A really good guy. He's a really good Edge too, but your team is simply more interesting just having him on it. Sorry to see him go. Huge Anime fan too.
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Post by tennbengal » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:19 pm

He got a ton of pressures. No help on the d-line most of the year due to injuries - so he didn't get a lot of finishes.

He went on the podcast The Athletic Bengals writers do just after the Bengals didn't tag him, and it was hilarious. Not too long a listen - worth your time:

https://theathletic.com/podcast/68-hear ... pisode=161

Literally laughed out loud at him talking about some of the social media reactions.

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Post by degenerasian » Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:20 pm

Why do the Raiders hate their O-Line so much. They just released Hudson.
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degenerasian wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:20 pm
Why do the Raiders hate their O-Line so much. They just released Hudson.
They had been mentioned as one of those teams possibly trading for Deshaun Watson, so maybe this was clearing some cap space?
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DSafetyGuy wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:30 pm
degenerasian wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:20 pm
Why do the Raiders hate their O-Line so much. They just released Hudson.
They had been mentioned as one of those teams possibly trading for Deshaun Watson, so maybe this was clearing some cap space?
Can’t see them pursuing Watson right after they’ve gutted their guards and center from the O-line.
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Post by DSafetyGuy » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:55 pm

sancarlos wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:47 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:30 pm
degenerasian wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:20 pm
Why do the Raiders hate their O-Line so much. They just released Hudson.
They had been mentioned as one of those teams possibly trading for Deshaun Watson, so maybe this was clearing some cap space?
Can’t see them pursuing Watson right after they’ve gutted their guards and center from the O-line.
Watson does have substantial experience in running his life in a successful manner.
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Post by DSafetyGuy » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:11 pm

Some low-level employee in Chicago will be keeping an eye on bankers' boxes prices for the next nine months.

Andy Dalton, one year, $10 mill (plus $3 mill incentives).
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Post by Tom 1860 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:27 pm

Well, the Titans have managed to spunk away 11 of 22 starters. So you know, they'll still be shit...

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Post by Ryan » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:30 pm

I heard that if a team doesn’t keep it’s own players, they must be shitty so don’t worry.
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DSafetyGuy wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:11 pm
Some low-level employee in Chicago will be keeping an eye on bankers' boxes prices for the next nine months.

Andy Dalton, one year, $10 mill (plus $3 mill incentives).
Hey there, friend. Pull up a chair. Sit a spell. Got some Dalton tales to share. Oh, the fun we shall have.

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tennbengal wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:20 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:11 pm
Some low-level employee in Chicago will be keeping an eye on bankers' boxes prices for the next nine months.

Andy Dalton, one year, $10 mill (plus $3 mill incentives).
Hey there, friend. Pull up a chair. Sit a spell. Got some Dalton tales to share. Oh, the fun we shall have.
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The upcoming season will see the Bears entering a cycle of mediocrity marked with 21 wins over the next four seasons.
Feeling a lot better about them totaling 13 wins in the next three seasons, Bengal.

All I have to root for is Louis Riddick becoming their GM in about ten months.
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Post by tennbengal » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:02 am

Just wait til his pump up talks for the team! Legendary!

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