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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by Brontoburglar » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:49 am

I've never understood why people are so fascinated with gas prices/how that fascination took hold
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Is that pipeline even operating yet?
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Legit point though. Don't think it's the reason for the current spike (and this hits pockets of voters prominently $50/60 over and over and over) but can't have climate and cheap near term energy prices. The gas is an economic indicator. Of what not sure but that plus stimulus plus covid economic reality. People have forgotten what high rates and inflation look like.

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I do agree that this is probably what will ultimately doom the Democrats and lead to the Republicans getting control again. Fighting climate change is going to require all of us taking some serious medicine we don't want to take, and no one likes someone who makes you take your medicine.

Which creates a serious dilemma, since on the one hand we don't really have time to wait, but on the other hand the sooner the Democrats start dealing with climate change, the sooner the Republicans get to take over and undo what they've done. So I'm thinking the Dems need to start with the spending parts of the climate change approach - funds for solar conversion, expansion of transit, etc. - and then after that gets entrenched we can get on with carbon taxes and the like.

Or maybe they never get to a carbon tax. Maybe they just need to impose emission limits and gas mileage requirements on industry, so the consumers don't directly see what's going on.

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I have one I'm trying to sell if you want it.

Dude, I am not blaming him for Gas prices being high.. I am blaming him for ignoring how high they are becoming and just going on.. He should have addressed this last night. I am not sure how, but he has professionals who could have figured it out.

He has done a great job with CV and Vaccines, but the honeymoon is going to be over soon.

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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

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Brontoburglar wrote:
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I've never understood why people are so fascinated with gas prices/how that fascination took hold
It's the visible thing people can see, there's a sign everywhere. Plus people compare gas stations against each other claiming conspiracy.
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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by psunate77 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:55 am

Brontoburglar wrote:
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I've never understood why people are so fascinated with gas prices/how that fascination took hold
Why the fuck wouldn't people be upset over a 60-1.00 a galloon rise in a weeks time over something their livelihoods depend on? It's money coming out of their pockets.

But a Dem is now in office, so we can just ignore the issues and talk about what good is going on. Got it.

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Post by Giff » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:05 am

Will be interesting to see how the Republicans here react to the gas prices. It's considered bad form to celebrate low gas prices here because that means jobs, darnit! But with Biden in the White House, my guess is that all of the sudden doesn't matter to them and becomes a talking point against the admin.
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Post by L-Jam3 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:09 am

This is why gas prices are being put to the forefront. Because the cons are running scared.

They realized that Biden and the Democratic Party are actually effective. They saw how they were able to pass a very popular COVID relief bill. They also saw how the the vaccine rollout is starting to make headway, and ultimately that will be a feather in the Administration's cap. And let's not forget that the right rioted at the fucking Capitol. So they're stuck. They can't attack what's working, so they have to find something collateral. That's why gas prices and this cancel culture bullshit is popular now.

We got them on the run. It's no time to give those fuckers quarter.

ETA: Also keep in mind that for every minute that people are discussing gas prices or cancel culture is a minute that people aren't discussing Jewish Space Lasers or the Capitol riot.
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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by BSF21 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:12 am

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Fun fact, elevated gas prices aren't all that bad for the economy, as they to drive an increase in domestic oil production that creates jobs and drives manufacturing. But yea, I always feel terrible when something that has to be pulled out of the ground, shipped, refined at great cost in both the monetary and environmental sense, shipped, refined again, shipped, and put into your car is gradually approaching the cost of milk.
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Post by Ryan » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:16 am

Nice humblebrag that your family drinks 100 gallons of milk a month just to get to work
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Nice humblebrag that your family drinks 100 gallons of milk a month just to get to work
Who goes to work? My commute is just 4oz between the kitchen and the office.
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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by degenerasian » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:26 am

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This is why gas prices are being put to the forefront. Because the cons are running scared.

They realized that Biden and the Democratic Party are actually effective. They saw how they were able to pass a very popular COVID relief bill. They also saw how the the vaccine rollout is starting to make headway, and ultimately that will be a feather in the Administration's cap. And let's not forget that the right rioted at the fucking Capitol. So they're stuck. They can't attack what's working, so they have to find something collateral. That's why gas prices and this cancel culture bullshit is popular now.

We got them on the run. It's no time to give those fuckers quarter.

ETA: Also keep in mind that for every minute that people are discussing gas prices or cancel culture is a minute that people aren't discussing Jewish Space Lasers or the Capitol riot.
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Post by The Sybian » Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:20 pm

degenerasian wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:54 am
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:49 am
I've never understood why people are so fascinated with gas prices/how that fascination took hold
It's the visible thing people can see, there's a sign everywhere. Plus people compare gas stations against each other claiming conspiracy.
Plus gas prices constantly fluctuate, so the GOP can bitch and blame the Dems when they are in the White House and praise the GOP President when prices are low. The changes almost never have anything to do with the government, except for raising gas taxes, but it's an easy rallying cry. Notice the GOP and RW media aren't discussing any real issues now, they are making up bullshit. Historical recovery act passes and is one of the most popular Bills ever, and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy is dramatically reading Green Eggs and Ham, solemnly trying to prevent the Radical Libs from stealing our culture. CPAC wasted ridiculous time on The Muppets, Dr. Suess and Mr. Potato Head, and it's all completely made up bullshit. No politician called for cancelling any of them, it was all private corps making decisions. And none of them were cancelled. Disney+ put a warning label on one episode of the Muppet Show, FFS. They are still showing all episodes, including the one they labeled, just noting the Confederate Flag in one scene to distance themselves from what the flag symbolizes.
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Post by Steve of phpBB » Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:32 pm

I don't think gas prices have dropped enough for people to notice. And even if they stay high, I think there will be enough exuberance as we come out of the pandemic that people won't really be bothered that much.

I also think it'll be easy for production to ramp up to meet the demand. I spent much of last week analyzing production from a couple of oil wells in northeast Utah for my clients. Both wells were producing about 3000-3500 barrels per month leading up to the pandemic, when prices were above $40 out here. After the first couple of pandemic months, they produced around 2100 barrels per month, with prices around $30. (The average price per month last April dropped to $4.47.)

I assume that if oil prices start rising again, production will increase. Unless those wells are simply running dry, but there's two of them a couple of miles from each other.
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Post by degenerasian » Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:48 pm

The Sybian wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:20 pm
degenerasian wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:54 am
Brontoburglar wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:49 am
I've never understood why people are so fascinated with gas prices/how that fascination took hold
It's the visible thing people can see, there's a sign everywhere. Plus people compare gas stations against each other claiming conspiracy.
Plus gas prices constantly fluctuate, so the GOP can bitch and blame the Dems when they are in the White House and praise the GOP President when prices are low. The changes almost never have anything to do with the government, except for raising gas taxes, but it's an easy rallying cry. Notice the GOP and RW media aren't discussing any real issues now, they are making up bullshit. Historical recovery act passes and is one of the most popular Bills ever, and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy is dramatically reading Green Eggs and Ham, solemnly trying to prevent the Radical Libs from stealing our culture. CPAC wasted ridiculous time on The Muppets, Dr. Suess and Mr. Potato Head, and it's all completely made up bullshit. No politician called for cancelling any of them, it was all private corps making decisions. And none of them were cancelled. Disney+ put a warning label on one episode of the Muppet Show, FFS. They are still showing all episodes, including the one they labeled, just noting the Confederate Flag in one scene to distance themselves from what the flag symbolizes.
I agree. There are some culture issues that we're discussed and disagreed on here but what the GOP is talking about is wildly slippery slope territory and strawman arguments. Private corps are private corps, they can do whatever and it might hurt their bottom line. Execs get paid the big bucks to make these decisions. Like Coke telling people to be less white. Ok, that might anger people, that might not.

Nothing is getting cancelled. If I tweeted like Gina Carano, I'd be fired too.
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Post by HaulCitgo » Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:49 pm

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Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:15 am
I really like Biden's speech. Especially keying on the vaccine and getting everyone to take it. You guys are going to be partying July 4 while we are still in darkness.

My parents are booked for first Pfizer shot on the 31st. Finally getting to them, born in 48 and 50.
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Post by psunate77 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:04 pm

So honest question.. If Biden was President since the beginning of the pandemic, how would you see things right now? Do you think 500K would have died?

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Post by Johnnie » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:48 pm

I thought the original issue with the Keystone XL pipeline was the land it went under. Otherwise, Google pipelines and look at the maps of all of them in America. It's one of the most effective and cheapest means, logistically, of moving gas and oil.

The "president controls gas prices" game is also manifested as "the president is the reason the stock market is high/low" game. I love Republicans when they get on their Facebook rants about that too.
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Post by Steve of phpBB » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:11 pm

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So honest question.. If Biden was President since the beginning of the pandemic, how would you see things right now? Do you think 500K would have died?
Probably half that. But he’d have lost to Trump in 2020, and Trump would be presiding over the vaccination ramp up.
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Post by brian » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:34 pm

Trump was easily responsible for 200,000 excess deaths, maybe as many as 300,000. As much of a mass murderer as Milosevic or Idi Amin.

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Don’t you actually have to give a shit to be a mass murderer?
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Post by EnochRoot » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:42 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:11 pm
psunate77 wrote:
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So honest question.. If Biden was President since the beginning of the pandemic, how would you see things right now? Do you think 500K would have died?
Probably half that. But he’d have lost to Trump in 2020, and Trump would be presiding over the vaccination ramp up.
Why do you think Trump would’ve beaten Biden if Biden had been president between 2017-2020?

1) He wouldn’t have dissolved the pandemic response team out in China, so that we would’ve had eyes and ears on the ground at the outset of the outbreak. That means, he would’ve been receiving intelligence about Covid-19 during the summer of 2019. By the time December hit, the infrastructure would’ve been in place to deal with the pandemic.
3) He would’ve run a consistent PR campaign that wearing a mask is a patriotic act.
4) He would’ve been shrewd enough to engage Republicans by giving them enough publicized roles to look like they are doing their part. That is, of course, to keep the message consistent.
5) Other hotspots around the world would look positively nightmarish, so that the ~150k lives lost here would’ve been put into proper perspective.
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Post by Steve of phpBB » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm

Because the pandemic would’ve sucked, 200,000 people would’ve died, there’d have been nonstop political strife, and the Dems would’ve held the office for 12 straight years.

Plus you’d have the pent-up white supremacy on the right with most others not realizing it. And on the left you’d have a lot of dissatisfaction with the Dems being too moderate, etc.

On the plus side, there’d have been some action on climate and immigration and a Dem majority Supreme Court.
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Steve of phpBB wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm
Because the pandemic would’ve sucked, 200,000 people would’ve died, there’d have been nonstop political strife, and the Dems would’ve held the office for 12 straight years.

Plus you’d have the pent-up white supremacy on the right with most others not realizing it. And on the left you’d have a lot of dissatisfaction with the Dems being too moderate, etc.

On the plus side, there’d have been some action on climate and immigration and a Dem majority Supreme Court.
“Pent-up white supremacy” would’ve been investigated at the federal level for these past four years. And Trump would’ve been thrown off Twitter anyway.

Also, I disagree on the # of dead. Hell, I think 150k might be a stretch. It was all about messaging and getting out in front of the virus. Biden knew this. He helped revise the pandemic playbook. The messaging would’ve been sent through GOP in power (and the Bushes too) to reach people that it was American to wear your mask. Wear it proud. The world would’ve struggled, and the USA, by comparison would’ve been a shining beacon of light.

He’d have won reelection in a landslide.

Remember: all Trump had to do was take this virus seriously and he’d have won too.
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Post by EnochRoot » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:13 am

I’m also trying to get my head around the thought that Trump would be looked at as a better option during a pandemic. He’d have said and done too many stupid things in this alternate timeline to be taken seriously.

Biden would’ve showed enough demonstrable competence in the face of pandemic of our lifetimes for a change to be warranted. Again: a landslide.
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I’m also trying to get my head around the thought that Trump would be looked at as a better option during a pandemic. He’d have said and done too many stupid things in this alternate timeline to be taken seriously.

Biden would’ve showed enough demonstrable competence in the face of pandemic of our lifetimes for a change to be warranted. Again: a landslide.
This, plus keep in mind the GOP wouldn’t have been the Party of Trump if he didn’t win in 2016. The GOP powers would have buried him. And the COVID response wouldn’t have been polarized, Biden would have brought in Republicans and created a bipartisan response. Without Trump calling it a hoax and Dem conspiracy to make him look bad, Conservatives wouldn’t have shunned masks and distancing etc...
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Post by HaulCitgo » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:33 pm

EnochRoot wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:07 am
Steve of phpBB wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm
Because the pandemic would’ve sucked, 200,000 people would’ve died, there’d have been nonstop political strife, and the Dems would’ve held the office for 12 straight years.

Plus you’d have the pent-up white supremacy on the right with most others not realizing it. And on the left you’d have a lot of dissatisfaction with the Dems being too moderate, etc.

On the plus side, there’d have been some action on climate and immigration and a Dem majority Supreme Court.
“Pent-up white supremacy” would’ve been investigated at the federal level for these past four years. And Trump would’ve been thrown off Twitter anyway.

Also, I disagree on the # of dead. Hell, I think 150k might be a stretch. It was all about messaging and getting out in front of the virus. Biden knew this. He helped revise the pandemic playbook. The messaging would’ve been sent through GOP in power (and the Bushes too) to reach people that it was American to wear your mask. Wear it proud. The world would’ve struggled, and the USA, by comparison would’ve been a shining beacon of light.

He’d have won reelection in a landslide.

Remember: all Trump had to do was take this virus seriously and he’d have won too.
Delusions. Even if the guy did stop the virus, which he wouldn't have, no one would would understand the scale of the crisis averted. Pretty clear now that but for covid trump would have walked.

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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by Steve of phpBB » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:43 pm

HaulCitgo wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:33 pm
EnochRoot wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:07 am
Steve of phpBB wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm
Because the pandemic would’ve sucked, 200,000 people would’ve died, there’d have been nonstop political strife, and the Dems would’ve held the office for 12 straight years.

Plus you’d have the pent-up white supremacy on the right with most others not realizing it. And on the left you’d have a lot of dissatisfaction with the Dems being too moderate, etc.

On the plus side, there’d have been some action on climate and immigration and a Dem majority Supreme Court.
“Pent-up white supremacy” would’ve been investigated at the federal level for these past four years. And Trump would’ve been thrown off Twitter anyway.

Also, I disagree on the # of dead. Hell, I think 150k might be a stretch. It was all about messaging and getting out in front of the virus. Biden knew this. He helped revise the pandemic playbook. The messaging would’ve been sent through GOP in power (and the Bushes too) to reach people that it was American to wear your mask. Wear it proud. The world would’ve struggled, and the USA, by comparison would’ve been a shining beacon of light.

He’d have won reelection in a landslide.

Remember: all Trump had to do was take this virus seriously and he’d have won too.
Delusions. Even if the guy did stop the virus, which he wouldn't have, no one would would understand the scale of the crisis averted. Pretty clear now that but for covid trump would have walked.
Exactly. The pandemic still would’ve sucked and caused massive economic pain. And the GOP would’ve sabotaged relief efforts. And 150,000 dead would’ve been seen as a massive tragedy and failure.

As for the GOP abandoning Trump after a big loss, um ...
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As for the GOP abandoning Trump after a big loss, um ...
The Party (and FoxNews) tried to sabotage Trump throughout the primary. If he lost the election, he never would have held sway over the Party, and I think he would have slinked off and disappeared. Even if he did throw a tantrum at losing the election, without 4 years of being President, I don't think many people would have cared.
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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by EnochRoot » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:59 pm

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Because the pandemic would’ve sucked, 200,000 people would’ve died, there’d have been nonstop political strife, and the Dems would’ve held the office for 12 straight years.

Plus you’d have the pent-up white supremacy on the right with most others not realizing it. And on the left you’d have a lot of dissatisfaction with the Dems being too moderate, etc.

On the plus side, there’d have been some action on climate and immigration and a Dem majority Supreme Court.
“Pent-up white supremacy” would’ve been investigated at the federal level for these past four years. And Trump would’ve been thrown off Twitter anyway.

Also, I disagree on the # of dead. Hell, I think 150k might be a stretch. It was all about messaging and getting out in front of the virus. Biden knew this. He helped revise the pandemic playbook. The messaging would’ve been sent through GOP in power (and the Bushes too) to reach people that it was American to wear your mask. Wear it proud. The world would’ve struggled, and the USA, by comparison would’ve been a shining beacon of light.

He’d have won reelection in a landslide.

Remember: all Trump had to do was take this virus seriously and he’d have won too.
Delusions. Even if the guy did stop the virus, which he wouldn't have, no one would would understand the scale of the crisis averted. Pretty clear now that but for covid trump would have walked.
Exactly. The pandemic still would’ve sucked and caused massive economic pain. And the GOP would’ve sabotaged relief efforts. And 150,000 dead would’ve been seen as a massive tragedy and failure.

As for the GOP abandoning Trump after a big loss, um ...
How is it you think Trump would've been the face of the GOP as the loser of the 2016 election? I get that your worldview is still in flames, but come on dude. Trump LOST in your alternative timeline. The RW media machine would've torn him to shreds, and then dug him up and crapped down his throat.
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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by EnochRoot » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:02 pm

HaulCitgo wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:33 pm
EnochRoot wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:07 am
Steve of phpBB wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm
Because the pandemic would’ve sucked, 200,000 people would’ve died, there’d have been nonstop political strife, and the Dems would’ve held the office for 12 straight years.

Plus you’d have the pent-up white supremacy on the right with most others not realizing it. And on the left you’d have a lot of dissatisfaction with the Dems being too moderate, etc.

On the plus side, there’d have been some action on climate and immigration and a Dem majority Supreme Court.
“Pent-up white supremacy” would’ve been investigated at the federal level for these past four years. And Trump would’ve been thrown off Twitter anyway.

Also, I disagree on the # of dead. Hell, I think 150k might be a stretch. It was all about messaging and getting out in front of the virus. Biden knew this. He helped revise the pandemic playbook. The messaging would’ve been sent through GOP in power (and the Bushes too) to reach people that it was American to wear your mask. Wear it proud. The world would’ve struggled, and the USA, by comparison would’ve been a shining beacon of light.

He’d have won reelection in a landslide.

Remember: all Trump had to do was take this virus seriously and he’d have won too.
Delusions. Even if the guy did stop the virus, which he wouldn't have, no one would would understand the scale of the crisis averted. Pretty clear now that but for covid trump would have walked.
Help me understand what you're saying here. Are you agreeing with me that, had Trump taken the virus seriously he would've won? I'm not sure what you mean when you say "Pretty clear now that but for covid trump would have walked." Walked to victory? Walked where?

And why do you think nobody would understand the scale of the crisis averted? Exactly how dumb do you think we all are?
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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by HaulCitgo » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:33 pm

No. Covid would have done in any president. Yes. Walked to victory. Cakewalk.

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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by EnochRoot » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:06 pm

HaulCitgo wrote:
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No. Covid would have done in any president. Yes. Walked to victory. Cakewalk.
Yeah we disagree entirely. First, you're assuming facts not in evidence and second, what had Trump accomplished that suggests he would've won in a "cakewalk?" Was it the loss of the House or the loss of the Senate that gives you such assuredness?
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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by HaulCitgo » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:12 pm

Worldwide disaster and the guy damn near won. Not so much a landslide moreso he would have held the line. Thin margins in several states. Hard to say covid didn't swing the election there.

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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by EnochRoot » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:06 pm

HaulCitgo wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:12 pm
Worldwide disaster and the guy damn near won. Not so much a landslide moreso he would have held the line. Thin margins in several states. Hard to say covid didn't swing the election there.
He will go down as arguably one of the worst presidents in United States history, and his handling of the pandemic cost over 300k American lives, and ultimately, the election.
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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by psunate77 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:46 pm

If Trump would have handled Covid 20% better, he would have won in a landslide.. Look at how the Dems had the work to beat him.

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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Post by EnochRoot » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:13 am

20% better would've changed a 306 to 232 resounding defeat to a landslide?

Huh.

Show your work.
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