Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:49 am
I've never understood why people are so fascinated with gas prices/how that fascination took hold
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Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:01 am Is that pipeline even operating yet?
I do agree that this is probably what will ultimately doom the Democrats and lead to the Republicans getting control again. Fighting climate change is going to require all of us taking some serious medicine we don't want to take, and no one likes someone who makes you take your medicine.HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:59 am Legit point though. Don't think it's the reason for the current spike (and this hits pockets of voters prominently $50/60 over and over and over) but can't have climate and cheap near term energy prices. The gas is an economic indicator. Of what not sure but that plus stimulus plus covid economic reality. People have forgotten what high rates and inflation look like.
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Which creates a serious dilemma, since on the one hand we don't really have time to wait, but on the other hand the sooner the Democrats start dealing with climate change, the sooner the Republicans get to take over and undo what they've done. So I'm thinking the Dems need to start with the spending parts of the climate change approach - funds for solar conversion, expansion of transit, etc. - and then after that gets entrenched we can get on with carbon taxes and the like.
Or maybe they never get to a carbon tax. Maybe they just need to impose emission limits and gas mileage requirements on industry, so the consumers don't directly see what's going on.
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It's the visible thing people can see, there's a sign everywhere. Plus people compare gas stations against each other claiming conspiracy.Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:49 am I've never understood why people are so fascinated with gas prices/how that fascination took hold
Why the fuck wouldn't people be upset over a 60-1.00 a galloon rise in a weeks time over something their livelihoods depend on? It's money coming out of their pockets.Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:49 am I've never understood why people are so fascinated with gas prices/how that fascination took hold
Don't forget the border! OMG THE BORDER!!! Everyone's flooding in. Instant immunity!L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:09 am This is why gas prices are being put to the forefront. Because the cons are running scared.
They realized that Biden and the Democratic Party are actually effective. They saw how they were able to pass a very popular COVID relief bill. They also saw how the the vaccine rollout is starting to make headway, and ultimately that will be a feather in the Administration's cap. And let's not forget that the right rioted at the fucking Capitol. So they're stuck. They can't attack what's working, so they have to find something collateral. That's why gas prices and this cancel culture bullshit is popular now.
We got them on the run. It's no time to give those fuckers quarter.
ETA: Also keep in mind that for every minute that people are discussing gas prices or cancel culture is a minute that people aren't discussing Jewish Space Lasers or the Capitol riot.
Plus gas prices constantly fluctuate, so the GOP can bitch and blame the Dems when they are in the White House and praise the GOP President when prices are low. The changes almost never have anything to do with the government, except for raising gas taxes, but it's an easy rallying cry. Notice the GOP and RW media aren't discussing any real issues now, they are making up bullshit. Historical recovery act passes and is one of the most popular Bills ever, and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy is dramatically reading Green Eggs and Ham, solemnly trying to prevent the Radical Libs from stealing our culture. CPAC wasted ridiculous time on The Muppets, Dr. Suess and Mr. Potato Head, and it's all completely made up bullshit. No politician called for cancelling any of them, it was all private corps making decisions. And none of them were cancelled. Disney+ put a warning label on one episode of the Muppet Show, FFS. They are still showing all episodes, including the one they labeled, just noting the Confederate Flag in one scene to distance themselves from what the flag symbolizes.degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:54 amIt's the visible thing people can see, there's a sign everywhere. Plus people compare gas stations against each other claiming conspiracy.Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:49 am I've never understood why people are so fascinated with gas prices/how that fascination took hold
I agree. There are some culture issues that we're discussed and disagreed on here but what the GOP is talking about is wildly slippery slope territory and strawman arguments. Private corps are private corps, they can do whatever and it might hurt their bottom line. Execs get paid the big bucks to make these decisions. Like Coke telling people to be less white. Ok, that might anger people, that might not.The Sybian wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:20 pmPlus gas prices constantly fluctuate, so the GOP can bitch and blame the Dems when they are in the White House and praise the GOP President when prices are low. The changes almost never have anything to do with the government, except for raising gas taxes, but it's an easy rallying cry. Notice the GOP and RW media aren't discussing any real issues now, they are making up bullshit. Historical recovery act passes and is one of the most popular Bills ever, and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy is dramatically reading Green Eggs and Ham, solemnly trying to prevent the Radical Libs from stealing our culture. CPAC wasted ridiculous time on The Muppets, Dr. Suess and Mr. Potato Head, and it's all completely made up bullshit. No politician called for cancelling any of them, it was all private corps making decisions. And none of them were cancelled. Disney+ put a warning label on one episode of the Muppet Show, FFS. They are still showing all episodes, including the one they labeled, just noting the Confederate Flag in one scene to distance themselves from what the flag symbolizes.degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:54 amIt's the visible thing people can see, there's a sign everywhere. Plus people compare gas stations against each other claiming conspiracy.Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:49 am I've never understood why people are so fascinated with gas prices/how that fascination took hold
And a very very large party it should be. Official end of the pandemic. Govt really ought to encourage a giant national party in the name of economic recovery. Sounds rather glorious.degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:15 am I really like Biden's speech. Especially keying on the vaccine and getting everyone to take it. You guys are going to be partying July 4 while we are still in darkness.
My parents are booked for first Pfizer shot on the 31st. Finally getting to them, born in 48 and 50.
Probably half that. But he’d have lost to Trump in 2020, and Trump would be presiding over the vaccination ramp up.
Why do you think Trump would’ve beaten Biden if Biden had been president between 2017-2020?Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:11 pmProbably half that. But he’d have lost to Trump in 2020, and Trump would be presiding over the vaccination ramp up.
“Pent-up white supremacy” would’ve been investigated at the federal level for these past four years. And Trump would’ve been thrown off Twitter anyway.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm Because the pandemic would’ve sucked, 200,000 people would’ve died, there’d have been nonstop political strife, and the Dems would’ve held the office for 12 straight years.
Plus you’d have the pent-up white supremacy on the right with most others not realizing it. And on the left you’d have a lot of dissatisfaction with the Dems being too moderate, etc.
On the plus side, there’d have been some action on climate and immigration and a Dem majority Supreme Court.
This, plus keep in mind the GOP wouldn’t have been the Party of Trump if he didn’t win in 2016. The GOP powers would have buried him. And the COVID response wouldn’t have been polarized, Biden would have brought in Republicans and created a bipartisan response. Without Trump calling it a hoax and Dem conspiracy to make him look bad, Conservatives wouldn’t have shunned masks and distancing etc...EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:13 am I’m also trying to get my head around the thought that Trump would be looked at as a better option during a pandemic. He’d have said and done too many stupid things in this alternate timeline to be taken seriously.
Biden would’ve showed enough demonstrable competence in the face of pandemic of our lifetimes for a change to be warranted. Again: a landslide.
Delusions. Even if the guy did stop the virus, which he wouldn't have, no one would would understand the scale of the crisis averted. Pretty clear now that but for covid trump would have walked.EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:07 am“Pent-up white supremacy” would’ve been investigated at the federal level for these past four years. And Trump would’ve been thrown off Twitter anyway.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm Because the pandemic would’ve sucked, 200,000 people would’ve died, there’d have been nonstop political strife, and the Dems would’ve held the office for 12 straight years.
Plus you’d have the pent-up white supremacy on the right with most others not realizing it. And on the left you’d have a lot of dissatisfaction with the Dems being too moderate, etc.
On the plus side, there’d have been some action on climate and immigration and a Dem majority Supreme Court.
Also, I disagree on the # of dead. Hell, I think 150k might be a stretch. It was all about messaging and getting out in front of the virus. Biden knew this. He helped revise the pandemic playbook. The messaging would’ve been sent through GOP in power (and the Bushes too) to reach people that it was American to wear your mask. Wear it proud. The world would’ve struggled, and the USA, by comparison would’ve been a shining beacon of light.
He’d have won reelection in a landslide.
Remember: all Trump had to do was take this virus seriously and he’d have won too.
Exactly. The pandemic still would’ve sucked and caused massive economic pain. And the GOP would’ve sabotaged relief efforts. And 150,000 dead would’ve been seen as a massive tragedy and failure.HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:33 pmDelusions. Even if the guy did stop the virus, which he wouldn't have, no one would would understand the scale of the crisis averted. Pretty clear now that but for covid trump would have walked.EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:07 am“Pent-up white supremacy” would’ve been investigated at the federal level for these past four years. And Trump would’ve been thrown off Twitter anyway.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm Because the pandemic would’ve sucked, 200,000 people would’ve died, there’d have been nonstop political strife, and the Dems would’ve held the office for 12 straight years.
Plus you’d have the pent-up white supremacy on the right with most others not realizing it. And on the left you’d have a lot of dissatisfaction with the Dems being too moderate, etc.
On the plus side, there’d have been some action on climate and immigration and a Dem majority Supreme Court.
Also, I disagree on the # of dead. Hell, I think 150k might be a stretch. It was all about messaging and getting out in front of the virus. Biden knew this. He helped revise the pandemic playbook. The messaging would’ve been sent through GOP in power (and the Bushes too) to reach people that it was American to wear your mask. Wear it proud. The world would’ve struggled, and the USA, by comparison would’ve been a shining beacon of light.
He’d have won reelection in a landslide.
Remember: all Trump had to do was take this virus seriously and he’d have won too.
The Party (and FoxNews) tried to sabotage Trump throughout the primary. If he lost the election, he never would have held sway over the Party, and I think he would have slinked off and disappeared. Even if he did throw a tantrum at losing the election, without 4 years of being President, I don't think many people would have cared.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:43 pm
As for the GOP abandoning Trump after a big loss, um ...
How is it you think Trump would've been the face of the GOP as the loser of the 2016 election? I get that your worldview is still in flames, but come on dude. Trump LOST in your alternative timeline. The RW media machine would've torn him to shreds, and then dug him up and crapped down his throat.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:43 pmExactly. The pandemic still would’ve sucked and caused massive economic pain. And the GOP would’ve sabotaged relief efforts. And 150,000 dead would’ve been seen as a massive tragedy and failure.HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:33 pmDelusions. Even if the guy did stop the virus, which he wouldn't have, no one would would understand the scale of the crisis averted. Pretty clear now that but for covid trump would have walked.EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:07 am“Pent-up white supremacy” would’ve been investigated at the federal level for these past four years. And Trump would’ve been thrown off Twitter anyway.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm Because the pandemic would’ve sucked, 200,000 people would’ve died, there’d have been nonstop political strife, and the Dems would’ve held the office for 12 straight years.
Plus you’d have the pent-up white supremacy on the right with most others not realizing it. And on the left you’d have a lot of dissatisfaction with the Dems being too moderate, etc.
On the plus side, there’d have been some action on climate and immigration and a Dem majority Supreme Court.
Also, I disagree on the # of dead. Hell, I think 150k might be a stretch. It was all about messaging and getting out in front of the virus. Biden knew this. He helped revise the pandemic playbook. The messaging would’ve been sent through GOP in power (and the Bushes too) to reach people that it was American to wear your mask. Wear it proud. The world would’ve struggled, and the USA, by comparison would’ve been a shining beacon of light.
He’d have won reelection in a landslide.
Remember: all Trump had to do was take this virus seriously and he’d have won too.
As for the GOP abandoning Trump after a big loss, um ...
Help me understand what you're saying here. Are you agreeing with me that, had Trump taken the virus seriously he would've won? I'm not sure what you mean when you say "Pretty clear now that but for covid trump would have walked." Walked to victory? Walked where?HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:33 pmDelusions. Even if the guy did stop the virus, which he wouldn't have, no one would would understand the scale of the crisis averted. Pretty clear now that but for covid trump would have walked.EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:07 am“Pent-up white supremacy” would’ve been investigated at the federal level for these past four years. And Trump would’ve been thrown off Twitter anyway.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm Because the pandemic would’ve sucked, 200,000 people would’ve died, there’d have been nonstop political strife, and the Dems would’ve held the office for 12 straight years.
Plus you’d have the pent-up white supremacy on the right with most others not realizing it. And on the left you’d have a lot of dissatisfaction with the Dems being too moderate, etc.
On the plus side, there’d have been some action on climate and immigration and a Dem majority Supreme Court.
Also, I disagree on the # of dead. Hell, I think 150k might be a stretch. It was all about messaging and getting out in front of the virus. Biden knew this. He helped revise the pandemic playbook. The messaging would’ve been sent through GOP in power (and the Bushes too) to reach people that it was American to wear your mask. Wear it proud. The world would’ve struggled, and the USA, by comparison would’ve been a shining beacon of light.
He’d have won reelection in a landslide.
Remember: all Trump had to do was take this virus seriously and he’d have won too.
Yeah we disagree entirely. First, you're assuming facts not in evidence and second, what had Trump accomplished that suggests he would've won in a "cakewalk?" Was it the loss of the House or the loss of the Senate that gives you such assuredness?
He will go down as arguably one of the worst presidents in United States history, and his handling of the pandemic cost over 300k American lives, and ultimately, the election.