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Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:59 pm
by rass
All a long game by some of us to make you unblock him.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:31 pm
by serrano
rass wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:12 pm CynicismUnlimited69
This should have gotten more love.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:00 pm
by mister d
rass wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:59 pm All a long game by some of us to make you unblock him.
I just happen to think he makes some good points. Not politically, of course, but about how powerful adults should remain deified as long as they keep winning sports games while doing the absolute bare minimum to stop an active pedophile.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:05 pm
by brian
I don't know how he gets more triggered for defending JoePa than by being a closet Trump stan, if you want to know the truth. The latter should be like 100 times more embarrassing.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:57 pm
by mister d
Proactive Penn State fan, reactive Trump supporter.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:41 am
by A_B
Get that stimmy.

Last year we did kind of splurge on a new bed plus it helped pay for costs for daughter moving into an apartment, but it wasn't something that we probably wouldn't have been able to swing, just saved a few months interest.

This year, it's extra helpful because my company canceled bonuses this year. I've never accounted for the bonus as everyday living, but with the changes in company reimbursement for my MBA, the stimmy is going to help out massively.

We even got it for the oldest daughter in college, so we will just send that to her because she is basically paying most of her expenses as is right now through loans and what she saved last summer (which is pretty low at this point).

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:35 am
by EnochRoot
brian wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:05 pm I don't know how he gets more triggered for defending JoePa than by being a closet Trump stan, if you want to know the truth. The latter should be like 100 times more embarrassing.

No offense, but this is a shit take. Re-write.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:25 am
by mister d
This is good messaging and needs to be repeated over and over, everywhere.


Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:38 am
by Rush2112
"BuT hE's RaIsInG tAxEs"

-idiot who "pulled in" 38K last year.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:00 pm
by Steve of phpBB
mister d wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:25 am This is good messaging and needs to be repeated over and over, everywhere.

Yes it should ... and it's a great first step. Unfortunately increasing taxes only on $400K and above won't be nearly enough to do what we really need to do.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:01 pm
by mister d
By that metric, its really wealth tax or bust, no?

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:14 pm
by HaulCitgo
Steve of phpBB wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:00 pm
mister d wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:25 am This is good messaging and needs to be repeated over and over, everywhere.

Yes it should ... and it's a great first step. Unfortunately increasing taxes only on $400K and above won't be nearly enough to do what we really need to do.
Exactly. What kind of bullshit is that. Spend how many trillions and then think youre going to make it up on 0.1% How about an actual funding mechanism for all the money thats been spent over the last 12 months. And folks on here talking about a national high speed rail system. The answer is cut entitlements, healthcare, military and raise taxes on all over about $100k if you want those things.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:17 pm
by sancarlos
A_B wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:41 am Get that stimmy.

Last year we did kind of splurge on a new bed plus it helped pay for costs for daughter moving into an apartment, but it wasn't something that we probably wouldn't have been able to swing, just saved a few months interest.

This year, it's extra helpful because my company canceled bonuses this year. I've never accounted for the bonus as everyday living, but with the changes in company reimbursement for my MBA, the stimmy is going to help out massively.

We even got it for the oldest daughter in college, so we will just send that to her because she is basically paying most of her expenses as is right now through loans and what she saved last summer (which is pretty low at this point).
Got mine today. Was surprised by the amount. We received for three people this time (my dependent daughter, my wife and me). It was only for my wife and me last year. Did something in the eligibility rules change? (I suppose I could research this myself, but I'm hoping one of you has a quick answer so I don't have to do that.)
ETA: OK, figured it out. This time, adult dependents get money. Last time, they had to be age 17 or less.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:20 pm
by mister d
I'm not sure anyone wants to cut social services to fund fast trains.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:20 pm
by Steve of phpBB
sancarlos wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:17 pm
A_B wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:41 am Get that stimmy.

Last year we did kind of splurge on a new bed plus it helped pay for costs for daughter moving into an apartment, but it wasn't something that we probably wouldn't have been able to swing, just saved a few months interest.

This year, it's extra helpful because my company canceled bonuses this year. I've never accounted for the bonus as everyday living, but with the changes in company reimbursement for my MBA, the stimmy is going to help out massively.

We even got it for the oldest daughter in college, so we will just send that to her because she is basically paying most of her expenses as is right now through loans and what she saved last summer (which is pretty low at this point).
Got mine today. Was surprised by the amount. We received for three people this time (my dependent daughter, my wife and me). It was only for my wife and me last year. Did something in the eligibility rules change? (I suppose I could research this myself, but I'm hoping one of you has a quick answer so I don't have to do that.)
ETA: OK, figured it out. This time, adult dependents get money. Last time, they had to be age 17 or less.
But I heard Trump gave people more money than Biden did.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:22 pm
by HaulCitgo
I dont either but why bother bringing up trains at all if youre not willing to raid social security and medicare/medicaid. And it's not only trains. Lots of the platform preferred by most on this board require serious financing conversations. Ones that democrats never seem to have and instead people applaud bullshit lies like tax raises on $400k+. Not enough of those folks to finance anything. Try capital gains rates. Try hitting the big tax deductions. Try earned income credits.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm
by Steve of phpBB
HaulCitgo wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:22 pm I dont either but why bother bringing up trains at all if youre not willing to raid social security and medicare/medicaid.
Because you don't need to raid social services to fund rail expansion. But you do need broad-based tax increases.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:35 pm
by HaulCitgo
What do you think the cost of a high speed rail system would be? Those costs are upfront and wall street ain't buying those bonds unless they have a treasury guarantee.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:40 pm
by mister d
HaulCitgo wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:22 pm I dont either but why bother bringing up trains at all if youre not willing to raid social security and medicare/medicaid. And it's not only trains. Lots of the platform preferred by most on this board require serious financing conversations. Ones that democrats never seem to have and instead people applaud bullshit lies like tax raises on $400k+. Not enough of those folks to finance anything. Try capital gains rates. Try hitting the big tax deductions. Try earned income credits.
One doesn't have to exclude the other and any sort of us versus them framing is a really good (and unexpected) start.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:55 pm
by L-Jam3
If you want to go the Us vs. Them route, knock a fraction of a percent off of the lower brackets, so GOP has to answer why they don't want to lower taxes on the vast majority of Americans.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:03 pm
by mister d
Eh ... I'm not sure I want to get into a "no revenue to fund the government" pissing contest with Republicans.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:10 pm
by L-Jam3
I'm more talking about defraying the benefit that would go from taxing higher incomes, and then counter with tax cuts, albeit minimal ones, that even with the decreased revenue from the poors, there's still a net increase.

Like if raising the brackets on $400K by 2.5% results in an extra $400B in revenue (and these numbers are coming out of my ass for mere discussion purposes), lowering the lowest bracket by a quarter of a percent means a loss in $100B in revenue. That's still a net $300B. (Again, using out of the ass math).

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:12 pm
by P.D.X.
We can't have any nice things because they cost too much meanwhile we spend the most on military than anyone else on the planet exactly how many times over?

Also, tax Amazon.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:25 pm
by MaxWebster
ha - i could have written the same post, sc! i was very happy to get the extra for our 19yr old. sad to say that getting this right now has a *huge* positive impact on us.
sancarlos wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:17 pm
A_B wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:41 am Get that stimmy.

Last year we did kind of splurge on a new bed plus it helped pay for costs for daughter moving into an apartment, but it wasn't something that we probably wouldn't have been able to swing, just saved a few months interest.

This year, it's extra helpful because my company canceled bonuses this year. I've never accounted for the bonus as everyday living, but with the changes in company reimbursement for my MBA, the stimmy is going to help out massively.

We even got it for the oldest daughter in college, so we will just send that to her because she is basically paying most of her expenses as is right now through loans and what she saved last summer (which is pretty low at this point).
Got mine today. Was surprised by the amount. We received for three people this time (my dependent daughter, my wife and me). It was only for my wife and me last year. Did something in the eligibility rules change? (I suppose I could research this myself, but I'm hoping one of you has a quick answer so I don't have to do that.)
ETA: OK, figured it out. This time, adult dependents get money. Last time, they had to be age 17 or less.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:58 pm
by The Sybian
P.D.X. wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:12 pm We can't have any nice things because they cost too much meanwhile we spend the most on military than anyone else on the planet exactly how many times over?

Also, tax Amazon.
Stole my post on both points. If Amazon paid 5% in taxes we could fund the high speed rail. How much profits does Amazon make, and they don't pay a penny in taxes? While they do hire workers, I'd guess they hurt the economy more by driving small stores out of business, so why are we rewarding them with zero taxes?

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:05 pm
by degenerasian
Yeah. Amazon should pay what Walmart pays

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:49 pm
by sancarlos
P.D.X. wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:12 pm We can't have any nice things because they cost too much meanwhile we spend the most on military than anyone else on the planet exactly how many times over?

Also, tax Amazon.
Harrumph harrumph

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:15 pm
by Johnnie
The memes are hilarious.


Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:56 pm
by Steve of phpBB

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:42 pm
by mister d

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:57 pm
by Steve of phpBB

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:58 pm
by Johnnie
Riley Reid meme

Oh fuck yea. Pack it.




Fuck you, Mittens!


Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:26 pm
by tennbengal
Given the skepticism on Biden as embracing progressives, any thoughts on this piece?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ra/618589/


Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:04 pm
by Steve of phpBB
I think it makes a lot of sense.

Biden has always had liberal/progressive values, but he's also always been a politician first. After the 60s and 70s, there was very little appetite in the US for anything very liberal. So he was a moderate, and of course he also carried the water for his home-state industries, such as credit card issuers.

Then as the country's politics have changed, so have his. So he was a big part of the push to get the Affordable Care Act through without a single GOP vote (despite his talk about bipartisanship), and now he's further promoting progressive values with things like the Rescue Act that just passed and the new bills that are being debated. But because he's still a politician first, he's not going to sacrifice the chance to make real improvements in people's lives in the service of a theoretically better option that won't succeed.

I think many progressives are surprised by how progressive Biden has been so far because they let themselves be convinced that the moderate corporatist Biden of the 1980s and 1990s was the "real Biden". I don't think there's any such thing as the real Biden.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:50 pm
by tennbengal
Yup.

The author of that piece was interesting too - as he was one of the strongest skeptics of Biden in the election process.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:37 pm
by Steve of phpBB
tennbengal wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:50 pm Yup.

The author of that piece was interesting too - as he was one of the strongest skeptics of Biden in the election process.
Of course, I hope that the author doesn't think that we are seeing a "real Biden" now either.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:52 pm
by Johnnie

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:44 pm
by Steve of phpBB

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:59 pm
by brian
Abolish ICE.

Re: Happy Inauguration Day (and beyond- The Biden Presidency Thread part I)

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:50 pm
by Johnnie
The whole ass thread: