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Why not hit the wideouts on third step, run it, run it, run it, step up instead of outside with pressure, draws and screens, kelce runs?, trick plays. He gets the big $$$ and two weeks of knowing the problem. Figure it out.
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I don't get The Weekend. It wasn't bad, just perfectly vanilla background music.
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I liked House of Balloons a lot but not the most interesting performer. Better at 3am on something.
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P.D.X. wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:04 pm I don't get The Weekend. It wasn't bad, just perfectly vanilla background music.
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HaulCitgo wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:27 pm I liked House of Balloons a lot but not the most interesting performer. Better at 3am on something.
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HaulCitgo wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:25 am Why not hit the wideouts on third step, run it, run it, run it, step up instead of outside with pressure, draws and screens, kelce runs?, trick plays. He gets the big $$$ and two weeks of knowing the problem. Figure it out.

Because Tampa knows you can't do that and they are pressing you with their big corners. They did run screens, they did jack shit. Remember that wheel route that almost turned into a pick 6 on one of the first drives? The corner almost got that because he was sitting all over it.

New England fans have been Belicheck'd into near insanity. The defense is figuring it out too, and you can't just gameplan around every massive problem.
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EnochRoot wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:38 am
They compared that to Brady who ran less than 50 yards.
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Tampa is also trying and they are daring you to beat them deep, because they know you probably won't have time to do it. Why on Earth would they let KC have short passes? Teams stopped doing it to the Steelers and people were like "adjust!" without realizing that - they can't just adjust this particular problem away. If you want to throw short passes into small windows the whole way down the field, sure, go ahead.

Mahomes was throwing away screens at the RBs foot all night. Outside of hoping you and your dogshit OL can just start gashing TB with run plays, what is the adjustment? Hell, you've got Kelce blocking on this play. That's a win for Tampa.

When Seattle was really good, they were good because they had smart physical corners and a great pass rush from a DL that went 8 guys deep and could get to you all day sending 4 guys. Teams didn't adjust that away because you can't just adjust everything away. New England has shit players this year and they're 6-10. Tampa gets the greatest QB of all-time and suddenly they win the SB. The players do matter to some degree.
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Sports would be more fun overall if people would abandon the "injuries aren't an excuse" mindset. They absolutely are.
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So the alternative is continuing the same shit that isn't working for 4 quarters? I don't think tampa was daring kc to throw deep. Quite sure the played over top of receivers and quite sure that receiving group has beat jams before. Not new. Can't sit on a wheel and be there for the short out.
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P.D.X. wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:04 pm I don't get The Weekend. It wasn't bad, just perfectly vanilla background music.
I think Blinding Lights is a really catchy pop tune, and his other songs I've heard are ok. Not really familiar with anything beyond what I heard when my daughter made me put on Sirius Hits One. Conversely to your point, I don't get all the hatred of him or the performance, starting with my son and my Facebook feed.
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Try House of Balloons. Worth an hour. You can listen all the way through.
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The Sybian wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:43 pm
P.D.X. wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:04 pm I don't get The Weekend. It wasn't bad, just perfectly vanilla background music.
I think Blinding Lights is a really catchy pop tune, and his other songs I've heard are ok. Not really familiar with anything beyond what I heard when my daughter made me put on Sirius Hits One. Conversely to your point, I don't get all the hatred of him or the performance, starting with my son and my Facebook feed.
What's the hatred about?
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Not to say too much on weeknd but imagine a falsetto soundtrack to trainspotting in drake/ovo Toronto.
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mister d wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:13 pm Sports would be more fun overall if people would abandon the "injuries aren't an excuse" mindset. They absolutely are.
This. Mahomes was at probably.. what... 50 percent with his feet? And you're missing both ends of your OL. You can't just wave and adjustment wand at that.
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So Weeknd’s thing is a cheesy 80s sound?

I’d never heard of him before last night.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:13 pm
mister d wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:13 pm Sports would be more fun overall if people would abandon the "injuries aren't an excuse" mindset. They absolutely are.
This. Mahomes was at probably.. what... 50 percent with his feet? And you're missing both ends of your OL. You can't just wave and adjustment wand at that.
The OL was a huge issue, but Mahomes ran for 500 yards last night (just behind the LoS).
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Injuries aren't excuses in the nfl. It may be the reason you lose but coaches and gms know going into the season you need backups and plan b, c and d. The league is set up that way. You know you'll lose 5-15 guys and you only have 53. So adjust from free agency onward.
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If you could just replace elite players, they wouldn't be elite, right?
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HaulCitgo wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:20 pm Injuries aren't excuses in the nfl. It may be the reason you lose but coaches and gms know going into the season you need backups and plan b, c and d. The league is set up that way. You know you'll lose 5-15 guys and you only have 53. So adjust from free agency onward.
But wouldn't you agree that since the NFL has a hard salary cap, it is virtually impossible to have viable backups available everywhere for plans b, c, and d?
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I didn't watch a lick of football this season, and I know that it isn't quite that simple to replace an All-Pro left tackle and think it won't make any difference.
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EnochRoot wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:17 pm So Weeknd’s thing is a cheesy 80s sound?

I’d never heard of him before last night.
More like a guy that has an original sound but is forced to sing and perform it.
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L-Jam3 wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:27 pm
HaulCitgo wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:20 pm Injuries aren't excuses in the nfl. It may be the reason you lose but coaches and gms know going into the season you need backups and plan b, c and d. The league is set up that way. You know you'll lose 5-15 guys and you only have 53. So adjust from free agency onward.
But wouldn't you agree that since the NFL has a hard salary cap, it is virtually impossible to have viable backups available everywhere for plans b, c, and d?
Definitely. So you have to decide whether it's better to have elite talent or depth. Hard to have both. Trick is choosing the positions to be talented and light. Some systems don't require as much traditional talent. Allows you to build depth and talent in spots.
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The Chiefs were down two very good offensive tackles Sunday night and had a starting-caliber for 20 teams level guard opt out before the season along with a third-round pick who they drafted to be a swing tackle/guard say that he wasn't playing this season either because of covid

that led to an offensive line missing three starters from last year's SB -- two of whom were instrumental in preventing SF's line from doing what Tampa did last night -- and a backup tackle who had been playing right tackle shifting over to left tackle for the first time all year and a guard playing right tackle and forcing another backup into his spot

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EnochRoot wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:17 pm So Weeknd’s thing is a cheesy 80s sound?

I’d never heard of him before last night.
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mister d wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:26 pm If you could just replace elite players, they wouldn't be elite, right?
if injuries weren't excuses in the NFL, then I would love to see the explanation for why the 49ers weren't as good in 2020 as they were in 2019!
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HaulCitgo wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:24 pm So the alternative is continuing the same shit that isn't working for 4 quarters? I don't think tampa was daring kc to throw deep. Quite sure the played over top of receivers and quite sure that receiving group has beat jams before. Not new. Can't sit on a wheel and be there for the short out.
Sure, put two safeties over the top. They weren't allowing long developing intermediate routes.

He was sitting short on a play that had a wheel route. The wheel route was thrown early and it was nearly a pick 6.

Demarcus Robinson beating a jam against Oakland means jack-fuck when Carlton Davis is driving him into the ground. They threw short or tried to throw short most of the first half but it wasn't working because it's hard to go the entire way down the field 5 yards at a time with a patchwork OL. The only time they had moderate success was when Mahomes was able to buy himself another second until Kelce found a spot in the middle of the field.

It's either that, or Andy Reid just entirely forgot how offense works. I'm betting it's more of the former.
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Brontoburglar wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:09 pm
mister d wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:26 pm If you could just replace elite players, they wouldn't be elite, right?
if injuries weren't excuses in the NFL, then I would love to see the explanation for why the 49ers weren't as good in 2020 as they were in 2019!
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HaulCitgo wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:30 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:27 pm
HaulCitgo wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:20 pm Injuries aren't excuses in the nfl. It may be the reason you lose but coaches and gms know going into the season you need backups and plan b, c and d. The league is set up that way. You know you'll lose 5-15 guys and you only have 53. So adjust from free agency onward.
But wouldn't you agree that since the NFL has a hard salary cap, it is virtually impossible to have viable backups available everywhere for plans b, c, and d?
Definitely. So you have to decide whether it's better to have elite talent or depth. Hard to have both. Trick is choosing the positions to be talented and light. Some systems don't require as much traditional talent. Allows you to build depth and talent in spots.
Depth is really about scouting and drafting. It's hard to maintain it for long periods of time because you can't always draft well and find value on the wire.
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I just think people are too quick to look for narratives to hop on. KC tried to throw quick throws early, it didn't work. The right tackle was getting pushed back 4 yards all night. Screens did not work a single time. There was some minor success running but it's hard to string that all together over and over again when you're just getting pounded up front.
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The Tampa defensive performance reminded me of when Denver's D-Line destroyed Tom Brady all game when the Pats had a center tipping his snaps and no running backs. That was one of Brady's best games considering the circumstances. Patriots almost stole that game because they had prime Gronk and they were playing against the corpse of Peyton Manning.

One difference between Brady/Manning and Mahomes (and Josh Allen 2 weeks ago) is that Brady/Manning don't have those sprint backwards 30 yard plays where so much bad shit can happen. Brady and Manning weren't physically ever able to do that, but running backwards seems so much worse than trying to maneuver in the pocket or taking hits or a much shorter sack.
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The Sybian wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:43 pm
P.D.X. wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:04 pm I don't get The Weekend. It wasn't bad, just perfectly vanilla background music.
I think Blinding Lights is a really catchy pop tune, and his other songs I've heard are ok. Not really familiar with anything beyond what I heard when my daughter made me put on Sirius Hits One. Conversely to your point, I don't get all the hatred of him or the performance, starting with my son and my Facebook feed.
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EdRomero wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:03 pm
One difference between Brady/Manning and Mahomes (and Josh Allen 2 weeks ago) is that Brady/Manning don't have those sprint backwards 30 yard plays where so much bad shit can happen. Brady and Manning weren't physically ever able to do that, but running backwards seems so much worse than trying to maneuver in the pocket or taking hits or a much shorter sack.
I used to think so but now suddenly all of these guys without "traditional" QB skills are excelling and I have no idea what to think anymore.
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Also since this can all be schemed around I'm giving out F ratings to any idiot team that even thinks about wasting a draft pick on an offensive lineman.
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Answer is qb can't get on field anymore if they can't get to the sideline sticks on 3rd down.
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