NHL 2021 Offseason

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:24 pm

The Canes are so fucking cheap.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:31 pm

Ehhh ... I might defer to Carolina here. They should know better than anyone if this guy (who they've waived before) is legit or if he just caught a 20 game hot streak that exceed anything he did in the AHL. Given the always weird valuations of goalies, they may have seen the high 3rd and decided there was value in jumping the market.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:39 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:31 pm Ehhh ... I might defer to Carolina here. They should know better than anyone if this guy (who they've waived before) is legit or if he just caught a 20 game hot streak that exceed anything he did in the AHL. Given the always weird valuations of goalies, they may have seen the high 3rd and decided there was value in jumping the market.

How good is analytics in isolating goalie performance from the team in front? Seems like boxcar stats might not reflect his value on the Wings.

Post by **brian** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:41 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:31 pm Ehhh ... I might defer to Carolina here. They should know better than anyone if this guy (who they've waived before) is legit or if he just caught a 20 game hot streak that exceed anything he did in the AHL. Given the always weird valuations of goalies, they may have seen the high 3rd and decided there was value in jumping the market.

Agree to a point, but not sure what their plan is as far as who's playing goalie this year. Whomever it is likely is going to cost more than $3M a year.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:03 pm

I’d guess the Canes are looking for Mrazek to be healthy and in form as their goalie.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:31 am

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:08 pm

My god the Flyers did it again. If everything reported is true, in the last two days they've subtracted Gostisbehere, Hagg, 1st, 2nd and 2nd (2023) in order to make room for Rasmus Ristolainen. Just amazing.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:11 pm

Just unbelievable.

I laughed when I saw all the Buffalo fans on Twitter saying, "I can't believe the Sabres won a trade!"

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:21 pm

Not only did they win, they bet against Philadelphia in the process by getting a 2023 2nd. That could easily be a top 40 pick.

MaxWebster · Post by **MaxWebster** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:21 pm

i can't even open this thread anymore without getting bitter because fuck the Sabres. really. (so...so many reasons....)

but holy shitballs they just traded the literal worst defenceman in the NHL and got something. anything. which *includes* a 1st round pick this year. I literally would have given him away for nothing. This is a fleecing.

(it still all sucks tho because they're (apparently... i still hold out ridiculous hope they don't....) about to trade their 2 legit fantastic forwards whom they drafted and didn't do shit to build a team around. In part...because they played the worst defenceman in the NHL all.the.goddamn.time. If they had made this trade, say, 2 years ago, they'd almost be guaranteed to have made the playoffs 2 yrs ago when they missed by a half game... the mind reels.... sorry i'm just so on the verge of quitting on this franchise...)

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:40 pm

Post by **brian** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:41 pm

I don't get this deal at all. Unless Philly just hates having draft picks or something. Ristolainen is on an expiring deal too, so what happens if they don't re-sign him? In fact the only way this deal makes even a lick of sense is if they somehow think if their season doesn't go the way they want that they can flip him for the draft capital they gave up at the deadline, but that's not happening.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:39 pm

Drury gets another gritty tough guy with limited skill.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:50 pm

Lets hope this is the other biggest mistake Drury makes this week.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:23 pm

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:40 pm

Rangers dumped an almost point-per-game 26 year old and its currently in 3rd place for worst move of the day.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:09 pm

I don't follow the NHL closely enough to have an educated opinion on this, but is there a greater chasm between good/bad as far of quality of team management in the NHL compared to other sports or am I just having recency bias from this thread from the last few days and the moves being made in that limited time are either bad signings or very lopsided trades with nothing top even out the scales?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:07 pm

Nothing like what’s happening today. Three guys with legit awful stats going for assets and a guy with great stats last year not drawing any return.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:21 pm

Don’t have all the details yet. But, it appears the Blackhawks acquired Seth Jones and gave him an eight year times 9.5 million contract!

Post by **brian** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:21 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:09 pm I don't follow the NHL closely enough to have an educated opinion on this, but is there a greater chasm between good/bad as far of quality of team management in the NHL compared to other sports or am I just having recency bias from this thread from the last few days and the moves being made in that limited time are either bad signings or very lopsided trades with nothing top even out the scales?

I think the more restrictive true "hard" cap of the NHL and the cap being flat for basically three years because of COVID is really allowing the overmatched GMs of the NHL to show their asses. (Yes, the NFL definitely has more of a hard cap than the NBA, but between the much larger roster sizes and other cap shenanigans mostly not available to their NHL counterparts, it's a lot harder for mediocre NHL GMs to dig out of their mistakes.)

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:30 pm

And, it seems every smart GM eventually becomes dumb, as every team with an extended run of success seems to eventually end up in Cap hell. (See Detroit, Chicago, San Jose, Los Angeles, Ottawa...)

ETA: But some GMs are just dumb all the time like Jim Benning in Vancouver.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:42 pm

Methinks Chicago overvalues Jones by a lot.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:44 pm

Columbus is having a day with net two 1st, Boqvist and Bean.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:46 pm

I guess net one, I didn’t see #32. That 2022 one could be the massive mistake inside a probably already large mistake.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:51 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:21 pm Don’t have all the details yet. But, it appears the Blackhawks acquired Seth Jones and gave him an eight year times 9.5 million contract!

Hedman is on 7.875m!

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:53 pm

I think I love watching GMs make shit trades nearly as much as I love watching actual games.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:02 pm

This is legit the most terrifying 2-3 hours since the 2014 finals.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:03 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:02 pm This is legit the most terrifying 2-3 hours since the 2014 finals.

Same, except since forever. Our GM is going to fuck something up.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:05 pm

And yes hockey GMs are the dumbest. Just look at Free Agency Day. Let's give all the free agents the most money we possibly can on day one. In baseball, some free agents don't get signed for months!

Post by **brian** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:47 pm

Only second time in NHL history two NCAA players go 1-2 so needless to say it’s the first time they’re from same school (Michigan).

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:54 pm

Shocked the Canes traded Bean as well. Such a cheap franchise.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:55 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:54 pm Shocked the Canes traded Bean as well. Such a cheap franchise.

If Rod the Bod didn't have a kid in Raleigh, they'd get waaay more shit for being so cheap.

Post by **brian** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:47 pm

Michigan also first NCAA team ever to have three first-rounders same year so three in the top five is obviously a first as well.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:49 pm

Flames pick another NY guy who seemed really unhappy. Expect him to go to the Rangers in a couple of years.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:31 pm

Rangers beat guys had this reach pick for over a month which means either the front office is a full leak or this pick was always going to be traded and they had one dude as a fallback. Fucking mess if Lucius pans out.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:07 pm

Just Jesus fucking Christ. How little control over your sport can you have for that pick to happen?

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:03 am

Meilleux got picked?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:18 am

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:03 am Meilleux got picked?

When you target a sex offender, you’ve got to get him when available

Post by **brian** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:31 am

I thought he withdrew from the draft?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:35 am

brian wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:31 am I thought he withdrew from the draft?

He withdrew but officially there is no procedure for that. Players don't have to declare.

The league has no power to prevent a team from drafting whomever it chooses. Montreal wanted him and took him. He wasn't making it back to them.