Syria

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:22 pm

Any day now, our official involvement will begin. Motherfuckers. Shove that peace prize up your half-black ass.

U.S. preps for possible cruise missile attack on Syrian gov't forces

howard · Post by **howard** » Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:42 pm

U.S. says Syria offer to show chemical attack sites 'too late'

So, Obama takes out Assad with a drone strike. Then what?

Fuck if I claim to know what is/was the best course of action or inaction by the US military. I guaran-fucking-tee the decision to attack at this particular time has shit to do with the best interests, (security or otherwise), of the people of the United States or the people of Syria. This is for the perceived benefit of other parties (MIC, banks, Israel, et al). Barry is as clueless about global politics as he is about economics; and is similarly led by the nose.

Sad to see similar failure scenarios play out, over and over again, in the course of the past twelve years since 9/11. Bastard snakes all, getting rich and sowing mass death and economic chaos, over and over. And no one gives enough of a shit to examine the obvious, preferring to bask in myth, delusion, and the soon to be gone false riches of manufactured debt.

(Hey, it's been a few weeks since I cut loose. I am getting shorter in my words. And, as always, FUCK THE NSA!)

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:34 am

On the one hand - Syria represents a strategic nightmare. ALL of the major players in the region are condensed in that little hell hole.

On the other hand - the suffering seems to be reaching biblical proportions.

On the other hand - any time the USA gets involved in the area, they piss off a lot of people.

On the other hand - everyone in the middle east who does not take Rosh Hashanah off work already hates the USA.

And like Howard says - what happens after a drone strike? Who is going to clean up the mess on the ground? President Genius' line about chemical weapons seems pretty damn idle right about now.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:43 am

Yea, I'm pretty sure we're just fucked no matter what.

It would be a cute twist of not irony if shit kicked off this weekend while I'm in Switzerland buying a chocolate & cheese Swiss Army knife watch.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:22 pm

Pruitt wrote:On the one hand - Syria represents a strategic nightmare. ALL of the major players in the region are condensed in that little hell hole.

On the other hand - the suffering seems to be reaching biblical proportions.

On the other hand - any time the USA gets involved in the area, they piss off a lot of people.

On the other hand - everyone in the middle east who does not take Rosh Hashanah off work already hates the USA.

And like Howard says - what happens after a drone strike? Who is going to clean up the mess on the ground? President Genius' line about chemical weapons seems pretty damn idle right about now.

I agree with all of this.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:26 pm

This NSA wiretap of Obama's briefing on Saturday morning, when the decision was reached:

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:56 am

Back in the day, late 80s S.F., I thought Jello was way too intense and cynical. Only took me a couple of decades to catch up.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:43 pm

Oh how I hate this asshole:

Here’s What Candidate Obama Said About Military Intervention In 2007
Too bad nobody gives a shit. Except those who will excuse this crap.

SportsDoc · Post by **SportsDoc** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:46 am

I've just completely changed how I feel about the Middle East. After 9-11, I wanted us to go in and wipe them out. But, the reality today is we don't do that any more, we pussy foot around to try to avoid collateral damage. If we're not trying to win a war, don't go to war. Period. that's how I feel. There is always going to be civilian casualties in war. If we are at war, we should not have to apologize for that. If we're more worried about that than winning the war quickly and effectively, get the fuck out!

Add to that the fact that the Middle East is all fucked up, regardless of what we do or don't do, and I just think we should get the fuck out. Completely out. Every boot on the ground should come home.

As sad as it is that there are regimes and governments that kill their own and do anything to gain or stay in power, I don't think we should be there at all. It's a no win for us, and it puts too many young valuable soldiers in harms way.

Get the fuck out, and let them all kill each other. I don't give a shit any more.

testy boxcar · Post by **testy boxcar** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:44 am

SportsDoc wrote:I've just completely changed how I feel about the Middle East. After 9-11, I wanted us to go in and wipe them out. But, the reality today is we don't do that any more, we pussy foot around to try to avoid collateral damage. If we're not trying to win a war, don't go to war. Period. that's how I feel. There is always going to be civilian casualties in war. If we are at war, we should not have to apologize for that. If we're more worried about that than winning the war quickly and effectively, get the fuck out!

i feel like we would do that if another country actually declared war on us and we actually declared war on someone else, but that hasn't happened in a looooooooong time, so we're just left to being the weird world police for $$$ome reason.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:26 pm

SportsDoc wrote:I've just completely changed how I feel about the Middle East. After 9-11, I wanted us to go in and wipe them out. But, the reality today is we don't do that any more, we pussy foot around to try to avoid collateral damage. If we're not trying to win a war, don't go to war. Period. that's how I feel. There is always going to be civilian casualties in war. If we are at war, we should not have to apologize for that. If we're more worried about that than winning the war quickly and effectively, get the fuck out!

Add to that the fact that the Middle East is all fucked up, regardless of what we do or don't do, and I just think we should get the fuck out. Completely out. Every boot on the ground should come home.

As sad as it is that there are regimes and governments that kill their own and do anything to gain or stay in power, I don't think we should be there at all. It's a no win for us, and it puts too many young valuable soldiers in harms way.

Get the fuck out, and let them all kill each other. I don't give a shit any more.

Sounds good in theory, but they have a hell of a lot of oil.

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:31 pm

So, What’s It Going To Be?
Commentary • Opinion • ISSUE 49•35 • Aug 28, 2013
By Bashar al-Assad

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:21 pm

Forget it, brother, you can go it alone!

UK Prime Minister Cameron loses Syria war vote

(Don't worry, Barry; Socialist Hollande's got your back.)

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:20 pm

The Sybian wrote:Sounds good in theory, but they have a hell of a lot of oil.

But, I'm not sure we need them all that much. The U.S. is now a net exporter, not importer, of oil.

Also, Johnnie posted this on fb. Kind of funny:

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:59 am

I love The Oatmeal. What can I say?

Anyhoo...the amount of hypocrisy from both parties on this nonsense is TOO DAMN HIGH.

Joe Biden's Case That Waging War Without Congress Is an Impeachable Offense

howard · Post by **howard** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:49 pm

Obama Will Seek Congressional Vote on Syria
Susan Rice, nice knowing you. Your retirement date just got pushed forward about three years. Thank goodness for this clusterfuck; maybe we can delay WW III a few more years.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:35 pm

"I think no war."

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:49 pm

So...Jon Stewart is awesomesauce, but you already knew that. (Can't embed Comedy Central vids. At least, I don't think you can.)

Here's Kerry and Paul going head-to-head for 10 minutes about Syria. The last 10 seconds was brilliant.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:02 pm

howard wrote:"I think no war."

You really can't make this shit up.

One of the leaders of the free world citing a kindergarten student's logic in order to justify war.

I hate the fact that for the second time in a few months, I am agreeing with Rand Paul.

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:51 pm

Pruitt wrote:One of the leaders of the free world citing a kindergarten student's logic in order to justify war.

And her 5yo granddaughter's logic is far superior to hers.

My cynicism once again fails to keep pace with reality. No matter how I step it up.

Scottie · Post by **Scottie** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:56 pm

Oh, let's toss some Christopher Hitchens into the thread because, y'know, it's Christopher Hitchens.

http://www.bostonreview.net/world/hitch ... perialists" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hitch wrote:A rule of thumb is turning out to be that when the military-political barons call for intervention and shows of strength, they must be distrusted for the usual reasons. But when they tell you how difficult and how complicated everything is, they must be distrusted even more.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:51 pm

Poll: Majority of Americans Approve Sending Congress to Syria

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:32 pm

Only if Assad promises to use gas on 'em.

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:26 pm

U.S. saw yearlong rise in chemical weapons use by Syria
Officials cite a far bigger stream of intelligence than was reported. Some question the delay; others say a case had to be built.
So, the fact that Assad used gas in April, which was reported but not acknowledged by our government, now goes mainstream. The lie, repeated over and over and over the past week and a half that the August 21st attack was a singular offense that necessitates war right now is laid bare.

May the blatant incompetence of Obama result in his failure to go to war in Syria. What a fucking douchebag liar.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:51 pm

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:59 pm

Who's going to step up and defend Woody Wilson from this purple libel?

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:51 pm

As a six-time world karate champion, I know something about fighting, winning and losing.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:15 pm

John Kerry Costs U.S. Defense Industry $400 Billion

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:27 pm

rass wrote:As a six-time world karate champion, I know something about fighting, winning and losing.

Holy fuck. "I am a karate champion, so trust me, I know how to go to war with Syria. This is not how you kick hives!"

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:21 am

rass wrote:As a six-time world karate champion, I know something about fighting, winning and losing.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:45 am

This is absolutely brilliant from TDS, even if it won't embed.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-s ... blue-bombs

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:59 am

The Sybian wrote:This is absolutely brilliant from TDS, even if it won't embed.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-s ... blue-bombs

That's hilarious. I had no idea that Kerry was just being a dick when he proposed that.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:57 pm

Jerloma wrote:
The Sybian wrote:This is absolutely brilliant from TDS, even if it won't embed.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-s ... blue-bombs
That's hilarious. I had no idea that Kerry was just being a dick when he proposed that.

Wait, people think this is bad??

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:17 pm

What specifically are you referring to?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:53 pm

Gunpowder wrote:

Wait, people think this is bad??

People think anything and everything Obama does is bad, no matter what he does.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:12 am

Jerloma wrote:What specifically are you referring to?

Not going to war with Syria over chemical weapons because they give you their chemical weapons.

Post by **Sabo** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:47 am

Gunpowder wrote:
Jerloma wrote:What specifically are you referring to?
Not going to war with Syria over chemical weapons because they give you their chemical weapons.

Yes, people think that's a bad thing because it would harm America's prestige in the world. These are probably the same people who want to go to war but don't have any family members in the military.

howard · Post by **howard** » Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:23 pm

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:37 am

Or you could have gone with this:

Though this was a sick burn:

“Had we rolled out something that was very smooth and disciplined and linear, they would have graded it well, even if it was a disastrous policy,” Mr. Obama said, adding, “We know that, because that’s exactly how they graded the Iraq war.”

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:07 am

I considered Pee Wee long and hard, hee hee.

Let me say it once more. I am ecstatic over the fact that our President did not launch a military strike on Syria. This is a very good thing. Regardless of the facts of how badly he fucked up on the path to not starting a war.