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L-Jam3 wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:19 pm You’d have to figure even a narrow victory by Cruz would be key as it drew resources to Texas to save a normally likely Republican seat, and away from other states.
I'm just spitballing here, but a narrow loss that significantly raises his national profile might be a win for Democrats looking for a "fresh" face in 2020. Freed from the optics of abandoning his Senate seat for an immediate presidential run, if he decides to take his message nationwide in 2019 could be a very formidable opponent to Trump in 2020. In many, many respects he is the anti-Trump and can credibly oppose Trump's platform without having to attack Trump directly.
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brian wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:25 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:19 pm You’d have to figure even a narrow victory by Cruz would be key as it drew resources to Texas to save a normally likely Republican seat, and away from other states.
I'm just spitballing here, but a narrow loss that significantly raises his national profile might be a win for Democrats looking for a "fresh" face in 2020. Freed from the optics of abandoning his Senate seat for an immediate presidential run, if he decides to take his message nationwide in 2019 could be a very formidable opponent to Trump in 2020. In many, many respects he is the anti-Trump and can credibly oppose Trump's platform without having to attack Trump directly.

That's all true but can he get through the nomination? What platform/ticket do they want going forward?
Are the Democrats even looking for a fresh face?
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degenerasian wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:48 pm
brian wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:25 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:19 pm You’d have to figure even a narrow victory by Cruz would be key as it drew resources to Texas to save a normally likely Republican seat, and away from other states.
I'm just spitballing here, but a narrow loss that significantly raises his national profile might be a win for Democrats looking for a "fresh" face in 2020. Freed from the optics of abandoning his Senate seat for an immediate presidential run, if he decides to take his message nationwide in 2019 could be a very formidable opponent to Trump in 2020. In many, many respects he is the anti-Trump and can credibly oppose Trump's platform without having to attack Trump directly.

That's all true but can he get through the nomination? What platform/ticket do they want going forward?
Are the Democrats even looking for a fresh face?
I don't think the party elders are, but the actual voters are. Or at least that's what I believe.
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brian wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:31 pm
degenerasian wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:48 pm
brian wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:25 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:19 pm You’d have to figure even a narrow victory by Cruz would be key as it drew resources to Texas to save a normally likely Republican seat, and away from other states.
I'm just spitballing here, but a narrow loss that significantly raises his national profile might be a win for Democrats looking for a "fresh" face in 2020. Freed from the optics of abandoning his Senate seat for an immediate presidential run, if he decides to take his message nationwide in 2019 could be a very formidable opponent to Trump in 2020. In many, many respects he is the anti-Trump and can credibly oppose Trump's platform without having to attack Trump directly.

That's all true but can he get through the nomination? What platform/ticket do they want going forward?
Are the Democrats even looking for a fresh face?
I don't think the party elders are, but the actual voters are. Or at least that's what I believe.
I think so too but it'll be very interesting around this time next year.
How many people run? 5+? 10+? 15+? How do Iowans vote and how does that push the narrative? (that's the first caucus right?)
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The Democratic establishment is going to push for a Chelsea Clinton-Jeb Bush “unity ticket.”




Obviously, I’m joking and I don’t expect Biden and the Obamas to be partisan Warriors. But the Bush love is a pretty big kick in the teeth to progressive activists considering that he just got done aggressively politicking for Kavanaugh.
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Its real bad.
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mister d wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:24 pm Its real bad.
It's repulsive, and confirms what so many people think about the inherent moral corruption of a two-party state.

Not saying that Biden and Obama should go around reminding people about what a POS Bush is, but it seems that they are all merely showmen. Once they retire, the past, and their "principles" mean nothing at all.
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I think its more that elected Dems tend to govern in the center where a lot of the non-zealot Republicans actually reside. Like look at post-retirement Boehner and tons before him; they present as conservative and vitriolic then walk away and call out their predecessors. Once they're out of office, they revert back to who they are and that's seen as human and palatable rather than despicable. They shouldn't be tolerated, obviously, but the Obamas and everyone ends up getting too close and won't burn friends or former colleagues for the greater good. Its just a national, potentially fatal version of all of us not only having super liberal friends.
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ANd let's face it, both Michelle and Dubya seem like someone you could have a beer with.
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A_B wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:18 pm ANd let's face it, both Michelle and Dubya seem like someone you could have a beer with.
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Let's see if this comes to fruition...
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JFC ...

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A_B wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:18 pm ANd let's face it, both Michelle and Dubya seem like someone you could have a beer with.
Nah - I don't drink with moronic war criminals.

(Good looking middle-aged women? That's a different story...)
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mister d wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:12 pm I think its more that elected Dems tend to govern in the center where a lot of the non-zealot Republicans actually reside. Like look at post-retirement Boehner and tons before him; they present as conservative and vitriolic then walk away and call out their predecessors. Once they're out of office, they revert back to who they are and that's seen as human and palatable rather than despicable. They shouldn't be tolerated, obviously, but the Obamas and everyone ends up getting too close and won't burn friends or former colleagues for the greater good. Its just a national, potentially fatal version of all of us not only having super liberal friends.
isn't this what Trump campaigned on and is trying to blow up in his own dumb and stupid way?
drain the swamp, unsuccessfully of course.
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degenerasian wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:33 pm
mister d wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:12 pm I think its more that elected Dems tend to govern in the center where a lot of the non-zealot Republicans actually reside. Like look at post-retirement Boehner and tons before him; they present as conservative and vitriolic then walk away and call out their predecessors. Once they're out of office, they revert back to who they are and that's seen as human and palatable rather than despicable. They shouldn't be tolerated, obviously, but the Obamas and everyone ends up getting too close and won't burn friends or former colleagues for the greater good. Its just a national, potentially fatal version of all of us not only having super liberal friends.
isn't this what Trump campaigned on and is trying to blow up in his own dumb and stupid way?
drain the swamp, unsuccessfully of course.

Yes. That everyone is too cozy and corrupt and it takes an outsider to cut through all that mess. It still resonates with tons of dimwits. It's not that they are ignorant for thinking that "something needs to be done about Washington," of course. It's in believing this group of corrupt grifters are the ones that can actually do something about it. Or more accurately, that they ever intended to do anything about it.
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Pruitt wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:54 pm
A_B wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:18 pm ANd let's face it, both Michelle and Dubya seem like someone you could have a beer with.
Nah - I don't drink with moronic war criminals.

(Good looking middle-aged women? That's a different story...)
I bet if he asked you you’d go. And nice work reducing Michelle Obama to a good looking middle aged woman.
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A_B wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:34 pm
Pruitt wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:54 pm
A_B wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:18 pm ANd let's face it, both Michelle and Dubya seem like someone you could have a beer with.
Nah - I don't drink with moronic war criminals.

(Good looking middle-aged women? That's a different story...)
I bet if he asked you you’d go. And nice work reducing Michelle Obama to a good looking middle aged woman.
Ah, No and I guess jokes don't work any more?

(Just to clarify, I was using Michelle Obama as an exemplar of good looking middle-aged women. Similarly, I was using W as an exemplar of a moronic war criminal. Guess from now on, I'll have to list their real life accomplishments as well.)

So how's this - No, I don;t drink with moronic war criminals who also happen to be ex-Presidents and accomplished folk art portrait painters. (Good looking middle-aged women who were successful lawyers and are educated and help run charitable organizations? That's a different story...

Better?
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Pruitt wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:38 pm
A_B wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:34 pm
Pruitt wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:54 pm
A_B wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:18 pm ANd let's face it, both Michelle and Dubya seem like someone you could have a beer with.
Nah - I don't drink with moronic war criminals.

(Good looking middle-aged women? That's a different story...)
I bet if he asked you you’d go. And nice work reducing Michelle Obama to a good looking middle aged woman.
Ah, No and I guess jokes don't work any more?
I guess bad ones don’t
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Take a pill.
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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... mp-736817/

This isn't exactly breaking news, but voter suppression down in GA is getting super ugly.
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Can we play the "what if Obama" game and ask "what if old white people were being purged from voter rolls under Obama"?
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mister d wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:00 am Can we play the "what if Obama" game and ask "what if old white people were being purged from voter rolls under Obama"?
How nefarious is this purging? Presumably they are purging folks from the rolls whose registrations are several years old and who have not voted in recent elections - is that right? Is there any reason why that kind of process would normally be unfair to non-white voters? I don't think they are going through the rolls and removing all the Davontes and LaKeishas, are they?

I have no problem believing it is discriminatory - otherwise why would the Republicans be doing it. But I wonder if it really works that way.
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From my understanding the majority of people purged - and probably many for legit reasons - are minority. So of course the defense of "we're just doing what the law says we can do" works, but it smacks of political calculation.
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Selective application and not in good-faith is more than enough reason to attack them over this.
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The articles I've seen is that if ANYTHING is off in terms of cross referencing the election registration system and what is stored with social security, it's getting pulled. So a dash or a dot out of place, you're getting your registration pulled. And without getting into all the different scenarios, minorities tend to have more issues with these kind of trivial typo or kind of... I don't want to say careless errors, but I guess that's what you'd call it.

The huge problem with this is that they aren't notifying people when they pull the registration. No other state does this this way.

It's pretty obvious voter suppression. It'd be one thing if they checked and told people they needed to sort things out. Registration closed on Tuesday and it's a pretty good bet most of the 51,000 purged have no idea, many will go to the polls and be turned away.

Keep in mind, this is the same guy that has shut 100s of poll locations, mostly in rural, minority heavy areas. He also purged in active voter registrations in a pretty shady way in recent years.

It's very fucked up that they guy in charge of the voting mechanism and infrastructure is also running for governor and purging voters like this.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:00 pm The articles I've seen is that if ANYTHING is off in terms of cross referencing the election registration system and what is stored with social security, it's getting pulled. So a dash or a dot out of place, you're getting your registration pulled. And without getting into all the different scenarios, minorities tend to have more issues with these kind of trivial typo or kind of... I don't want to say careless errors, but I guess that's what you'd call it.

The huge problem with this is that they aren't notifying people when they pull the registration. No other state does this this way.

It's pretty obvious voter suppression. It'd be one thing if they checked and told people they needed to sort things out. Registration closed on Tuesday and it's a pretty good bet most of the 51,000 purged have no idea, many will go to the polls and be turned away.

Keep in mind, this is the same guy that has shut 100s of poll locations, mostly in rural, minority heavy areas. He also purged in active voter registrations in a pretty shady way in recent years.

It's very fucked up that they guy in charge of the voting mechanism and infrastructure is also running for governor and purging voters like this.
I agree with what you are saying, but is that thing with the 53,000 in Georgia part of the purging of voter rolls? I understood it was something different, dealing with new registrations. (Not to diminish the severity or racistness of it.) Purging (as I understand it) refers to removing registrations, usually because people haven't voted in a while and have not responded to a mail contact asking them to confirm they still live where they are registered. Registrations never expire, and people who move from state to state (and even within some states I think) will end up with multiple registrations if there is not a process to eliminate old registrations.

Mr. D, I agree that any selective application of purging or strict reviews is wrong - in fact, I think it should be a serious crime. But is that what is going on right now?
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Yeah, I'm conflating purging and pulling registrations... For the purposes of HIS RACE in a month, pulling these for "further review" is effectively taking 53,000 voters out of the mix.

Shady as fuck, whatever you want to call it.
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Steve of phpBB wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:09 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:00 pmMr. D, I agree that any selective application of purging or strict reviews is wrong - in fact, I think it should be a serious crime. But is that what is going on right now?
Strict review is what's happening now. Whether or not that would be if a large portion of the 50K new enrollees were from a massive new upscale retirement community is up to you to decide, I guess.
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mister d wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:58 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:09 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:00 pmMr. D, I agree that any selective application of purging or strict reviews is wrong - in fact, I think it should be a serious crime. But is that what is going on right now?
Strict review is what's happening now. Whether or not that would be if a large portion of the 50K new enrollees were from a massive new upscale retirement community is up to you to decide, I guess.
Oh, absolutely. I have no doubt that the Republicans are doing this to suppress the minority vote. That's pretty much their only move.
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Steve of phpBB wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:09 pm
mister d wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:58 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:09 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:00 pmMr. D, I agree that any selective application of purging or strict reviews is wrong - in fact, I think it should be a serious crime. But is that what is going on right now?
Strict review is what's happening now. Whether or not that would be if a large portion of the 50K new enrollees were from a massive new upscale retirement community is up to you to decide, I guess.
Oh, absolutely. I have no doubt that the Republicans are doing this to suppress the minority vote. That's pretty much their only move.
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What the fuck?
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I'm half expecting rioting at polling places that will then be spun as "alt left terrorists" damaging democracy.

I'm lucky. Being military, Nevada made it really easy for me because all states participate in FVAP. And even despite registering while deployed, I was purged because i sent back a card that has my home address in NM. So I called up their voting office and I just re-registered. It took a day. Then I got my ballots via email, filled them out, scanned them, and emailed them back.

#IVoted And I'm glad I could vote in a state that actually has a tough race for Senate too.
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I've predicted the same, but for the 2020 election as a way of holding office.
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Meanwhile in Germany 240,000 people marched against far right extremism...

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You may not recognize the name but this is the Trump-loving Republican pimp/brothel owner who was going to elected to the Nevada Assembly in a couple weeks (because his rural district is like 75 percent GOP). As it is he'll probably still win and the new governor will have to appoint someone to fill the seat.

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Hof was probably at least C level celebrity due to the Bunny Ranch - HBO - Stern.
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mister d wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:49 pm JFC ...

In a true shocker, immediately after these judges got confirmed, the GOP started pushing the nominations of a whole bunch more. Chuck Schumer is absolutely incompetent.

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