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Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:57 pm

Latest and greatest anti-Constitution thought by this fuck:

This is why McConnell has all the fucking power.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:08 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:10 pmIt's not the evilness of McConnell, it's the political reality that enough senators trying to save their asses in Purple or turning Purple states would bail on McConnell if they tried something as preposterous as simply refusing to appoint judges for 4 years.

I don't understand how many unprecedented and indecent things have to happen before precedent and decency are no longer presented as near-future salves. We're past anything resembling bipartisan cooperation* and probably, as Johnnie alluded to, peaceful transitions of power.

* And self-preservation is synonymous with falling in line.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:32 pm

Switching gears, if you want to watch an hour long takedown of Ben Shapiro:

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:52 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:10 pm There's literally no justification that would sit well with the vast majority of Americans (not the 30 percent Fox News watching mouth breathers) over that kind of bullshit.

Again...wanna bet?

Republican Senators were fully ready to wait 4 more years to appoint a Scalia successor if Hillary had won. McConnell was already slow-walking Obama's appointments to create as many openings for the next GOP President as possible.

And look at what they are doing in the states...Oh, we lost a governor's race? Fine, we'll strip the governors office of power before things turn over.

Or look at Oregon, where Republicans ran away and hid rather then let a climate change bill come to a vote.

Sometimes you guys really lean too far into the sky is falling stuff, man.

I'm more of the 'not leaning too far' camp...

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:12 pm

The House opened an ethics investigation against Matt Gaetz for his February 26th Tweet of: “Hey @MichaelCohen212 – Do your wife & father-in-law know about your girlfriends? Maybe tonight would be a good time for that chat. I wonder if she’ll remain faithful when you’re in prison. She’s about to learn a lot…”

Why the fuck does it take 4 months to investigate a public post that was all over the news and clearly threatening a witness before he testified in Congress? It should have taken a matter of hours, not months.

Gaetz' response, he called this part of a “coordinated effort to go after people like me, people like Kellyanne Conway, who are effective advocates for a transformational president.”

In what fucking world is it the job of a Congressman to act as an advocate for the President?!?!? You are supposed to be a check on Presidential power, you fuck bootlicking POS!

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:47 pm

It's disgusting. The corruption in plain sight reality we live in is complete bullshit.

Luckily for those doing this, we're fed well and completely petrified of losing our jobs because a huge segment of America is a paycheck from financial ruin.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:05 pm

With one tweet, AOC went at Ivanka, Sarah Sanders, and Meghan McCain. She's the fucking best.

Post by **brian** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:14 pm

Roughly half the border patrol agents in the country are in a "secret" Facebook group where they post mysogynistic, racist and offensive content and celebrate migrant deaths. In addition to threatening violence against Latina lawmakers including AOC (of course).

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:28 pm

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:32 pm

The Marines had a Facebook group with a bunch of disgusting people like that.

I'm not sure of the fallout, but I know the DoD stepped up and re-energized sexual apathy awareness training across the services and put out there that those associated would be in severe terrible.

So this doesn't shock me in the least.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:46 pm

ICE is the worst of the worst, already.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:46 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:05 pm With one tweet, AOC went at Ivanka, Sarah Sanders, and Meghan McCain. She's the fucking best.

Absolutely love this image in the comments:

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:39 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:05 pm With one tweet, AOC went at Ivanka, Sarah Sanders, and Meghan McCain. She's the fucking best.

Ivanka playing Diplomacy Barbie has unleashed some awesome photoshops...

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:40 pm

Oooooh. Nice. I saw the one pic in the other thread posted by Pruitt. Also good.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:48 pm

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:36 pm

I had to double-check to make sure this wasn't from The Onion. Fascinating article.

In an astonishing turn, George Soros and Charles Koch team up to end US ‘forever war’ policy

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:45 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:36 pm I had to double-check to make sure this wasn't from The Onion. Fascinating article.

In an astonishing turn, George Soros and Charles Koch team up to end US ‘forever war’ policy

Guaranteed that a lot of Koch's vassals are wondering if they should keep playing the Soros/Jew Banker conspiracy card.

Baloney · Post by **Baloney** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:55 am

Pruitt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:23 am Uh Oh!

Merde hitting the fan in Spain.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:55 am

Baloney wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:55 am
Pruitt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:23 am Uh Oh!

Merde hitting the fan in Spain.

Look at that t-shirt on the MEP.

What a shit show that legislative body must be.

Post by **brian** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:11 pm

Justin Amash leaving GOP.

Quixotic as fuck, but history will probably treat him kindly for being one of the lone voices of reason in the GOP.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:12 pm

Justin Amash left the GOP.

Post by **brian** » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:18 pm

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:43 am

I'll put it here too so Rush won't come in and fuck everything up...Amy McGrath to challenge McConnell.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:33 am

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:23 am

Fuck, that's good. She got my vote.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:10 am

Throw her a few bucks. Makes the soul feel good. Skip your $5 starbucks or something.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:14 am

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:10 am Throw her a few bucks. Makes the soul feel good. Skip your $5 starbucks or something.

I'll donate some money like I did for Beto, but running against McConnell she's not going to have any issues raising money. Kentucky is going to be wall-to-wall political ads from June through November next year.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:37 am

brian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:14 am
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:10 am Throw her a few bucks. Makes the soul feel good. Skip your $5 starbucks or something.
I'll donate some money like I did for Beto, but running against McConnell she's not going to have any issues raising money. Kentucky is going to be wall-to-wall political ads from June through November next year.

She may get money, but can she get votes? Do people in Kentucky actually like McConnell?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:41 am

The Governor's race this fall will give some hint, but Bevin has his own issues that go across party lines more.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:46 am

I'd put McGrath's odds at about 7-to-1. Not likely, but not impossible. Trump is not insanely popular in KY like he is in some southern states. McConnell has his own negatives and the GOP governor there (like AB said) has his own issues. It's always gonna be an uphill slog for a Dem in Kentucky, but if there was ever a chance to defeat a sitting Senate Majority Leader in a red/southern state this is probably it.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:22 pm

There's also a lot of national strategy that goes into this. When you fuck with a guy like McConnell enough, it takes him off the phones raising national money or for tough races the GOP is worried about in purple states. Beto didn't win in TX, but he helped pull a TON more resources than the RNC wanted to burn. That has a ripple effect. For years, the Dems were under this same pressure, and it produced the massive swing in statewide elections that we just clawed back from 2018.

Give a few bucks here and there. The momentum in these high profile cases has a multiplying effect. That's why I kept giving to Beto and a few other races (Georgia and Doug Jones, specifically).

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:51 pm

You have got to be kidding me. Pelosi’s fear of ever going after Republicans is astounding.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:11 pm

Doesn't impeaching Acosta let Trump off the hook for appointing him in the first place? They can spin it as the "Dems continuing to go after Trump and his people" but if they leave him in the position, the public pressure for Trump to fire him or force his resignation as the Epstein thing heats up (hopefully) will come down fully on Trump.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:23 pm

I'm just resigned to the fact that the only way Trump or any of his cabinet get forced out is with him losing in 2020.

Establishment Democrats care more about harming the progressives within their party than harming Republicans in any way, shape, or form because of political calculus.

They would rather deal with the current administration than any administration where the party shifts left. Status Quo benefits establishment Democrats.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:25 pm

brian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:11 pm Doesn't impeaching Acosta let Trump off the hook for appointing him in the first place? They can spin it as the "Dems continuing to go after Trump and his people" but if they leave him in the position, the public pressure for Trump to fire him or force his resignation as the Epstein thing heats up (hopefully) will come down fully on Trump.

I don’t see how “we’re going to ask nicely but do nothing” is a more favorable political stance for he Democratic Party than the House majority using its Constitutionally granted impeachment power to hold Acosta accountable.

Also, this is a pretty significant bit of reporting that came out today:

I’ve seen rumors for a while that Acosta gave Epstein a pass because Epstein was an agent collecting blackmail material for one or more intelligence agencies. But this is the first time I’ve seen it reported this directly.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:40 pm

If that's true I hope Epstein sings like a canary.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:41 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:51 pm You have got to be kidding me. Pelosi’s fear of ever going after Republicans is astounding.

If I never hear Pelosi's name again it will be too soon. She's as much a part of the problem as established Repubs.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:18 pm

There's a lot of conspiracy theories out there about Epstein.

He's essentially a honey pot blackmail operation for someone else, and always has been, etc.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:25 pm

brian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:46 am I'd put McGrath's odds at about 7-to-1. Not likely, but not impossible. Trump is not insanely popular in KY like he is in some southern states. McConnell has his own negatives and the GOP governor there (like AB said) has his own issues. It's always gonna be an uphill slog for a Dem in Kentucky, but if there was ever a chance to defeat a sitting Senate Majority Leader in a red/southern state this is probably it.

FWIW, Nate Silver agrees with me.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:05 am

Just a general thought that's been rattling around in my head recently. Politicians stereotypically seem to have some pretty negative qualities such as deceit, cowardice (Pelosi), grifting and corruption, and being totally out of touch with their constituents. It seems like this has been the stereotype completely throughout history (although it seems like the Founding Fathers get a pass somehow). Is it that the job of a politicians brings out these in them, or are people with these traits just naturally drawn to politics?

I've been thinking this because I have had a longer-term inclination to enter the political arena, even just locally, once I get a few ducks in my life in a row. I'm not going to suggest I'm a perfect person by any means; I'm human and have skeletons just like anyone else, but I try doing the right thing. I can accept that it'd be a long shot as I'm not particularly charismatic in such a way to garner moneyed donors. I'm also a fairly private person, and I don't tend to open up the true me to all but a very select few. I just feel like fighting like hell for people is something that brings me real joy. That's one of the few things about being a lawyer I genuinely like. I don't know man, like I said just some marbles rolling around in my melon.