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Buying Twitter followers. The shame!
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Johnnie wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:12 am Buying Twitter followers. The shame!
But you know this is just the start. "What else is he hiding? How can you trust a man who buys Twitter followers..." etc.
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Well, he's certainly not hiding laundered Russian money via the NRA.

But yea. I get what you're saying.
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This one is for Pruitt and Degen (and Scotty, if you're lurking). Could've put it in the Most Canadian thread, or the Facebook thread, but I'll just drop it here, to show you that right-wing posts on Facebook by old relatives aren't limited to Americans. This comes from a post by my father's cousin's wife, in Saskatchewan.

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Well, the following things are being done - anthem (a movement to make it gender-neutral), some refugees have been temporarily placed in hotels (obviously, NOT the Four Seasons), one terrorist (as defined by the Americans who stuck him in Guantamo) was paid a legal settlement because " the Supreme Court of Canada had ruled that the Canadian government's interrogation of Omar Khadr at Guantanamo Bay "offend[ed] the most basic Canadian standards [of] the treatment of detained youth suspects".

Abortion is still legal here and Trudeau came under fire for vacations - but not for spending "millions" on them. He spent time on the private island of the Aga Khan who does business with the government.

The other stuff - debt, taxes are more due to incompetence than maliciousness. The rest is - as you'd figure - complete and utter nonsense. Like most countries we have or share of right-wing religious zealots. Luckily, they are still on the margins and haven't yet succeeded in fucking things up.

Hatred of the name "Trudeau" is firmly entrenched in the west. I'm not a big fan of the guy, but Sharia law is not on the horizon.
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Pruitt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:54 pm Well, the following things are being done - anthem (a movement to make it gender-neutral), some refugees have been temporarily placed in hotels (obviously, NOT the Four Seasons), one terrorist (as defined by the Americans who stuck him in Guantamo) was paid a legal settlement because " the Supreme Court of Canada had ruled that the Canadian government's interrogation of Omar Khadr at Guantanamo Bay "offend[ed] the most basic Canadian standards [of] the treatment of detained youth suspects".

Abortion is still legal here and Trudeau came under fire for vacations - but not for spending "millions" on them. He spent time on the private island of the Aga Khan who does business with the government.

The other stuff - debt, taxes are more due to incompetence than maliciousness. The rest is - as you'd figure - complete and utter nonsense. Like most countries we have or share of right-wing religious zealots. Luckily, they are still on the margins and haven't yet succeeded in fucking things up.

Hatred of the name "Trudeau" is firmly entrenched in the west. I'm not a big fan of the guy, but Sharia law is not on the horizon.
The left is attacking Trudeau as well, mostly over pipelines. If the NDP actually had their leader in the house he could really go after Trudeau. The Conservative leader Andrew Scheer crushes Trudeau everyday in the House.
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degenerasian wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:57 pm
Pruitt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:54 pm Well, the following things are being done - anthem (a movement to make it gender-neutral), some refugees have been temporarily placed in hotels (obviously, NOT the Four Seasons), one terrorist (as defined by the Americans who stuck him in Guantamo) was paid a legal settlement because " the Supreme Court of Canada had ruled that the Canadian government's interrogation of Omar Khadr at Guantanamo Bay "offend[ed] the most basic Canadian standards [of] the treatment of detained youth suspects".

Abortion is still legal here and Trudeau came under fire for vacations - but not for spending "millions" on them. He spent time on the private island of the Aga Khan who does business with the government.

The other stuff - debt, taxes are more due to incompetence than maliciousness. The rest is - as you'd figure - complete and utter nonsense. Like most countries we have or share of right-wing religious zealots. Luckily, they are still on the margins and haven't yet succeeded in fucking things up.

Hatred of the name "Trudeau" is firmly entrenched in the west. I'm not a big fan of the guy, but Sharia law is not on the horizon.
The left is attacking Trudeau as well, mostly over pipelines. If the NDP actually had their leader in the house he could really go after Trudeau. The Conservative leader Andrew Scheer crushes Trudeau everyday in the House.
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Moreta wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:27 pm I hope the democrat running for Paul Ryan’s seat (looks likely to be Randy Bryce) runs a fundraising campaign asking for everbody’s extra $1.50 a week.
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Moreta wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:23 pm
Moreta wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:27 pm I hope the democrat running for Paul Ryan’s seat (looks likely to be Randy Bryce) runs a fundraising campaign asking for everbody’s extra $1.50 a week.
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Just when you think there's a moment of sanity when the PA State Supreme Court says that the gerrymandered districts violate the state constitution,
a benefactor of said gerrymandering determined that they have the super majority enough to impeach those judges.
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Johnnie wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:19 am Just when you think there's a moment of sanity when the PA State Supreme Court says that the gerrymandered districts violate the state constitution,
a benefactor of said gerrymandering determined that they have the super majority enough to impeach those judges.
Not only did the PA Court rule it unconstutional, but the US Supremem Court refused to hear the appeal, as the ruling was based on the PA (not the US) Constution

I live in a state (PA) with a lot of fucked up people
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Avram wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:58 pm
Johnnie wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:19 am Just when you think there's a moment of sanity when the PA State Supreme Court says that the gerrymandered districts violate the state constitution,
a benefactor of said gerrymandering determined that they have the super majority enough to impeach those judges.
Not only did the PA Court rule it unconstutional, but the US Supremem Court refused to hear the appeal, as the ruling was based on the PA (not the US) Constution

I live in a state (PA) with a lot of fucked up people
When I was a kid, my only exposure to Pennsylvania was the narrow corridor along the lake between New York and Ohio. I liked Erie, because it meant club sandwiches at the Holiday Inn (our traditional stop on the way home from Browns games.

It wasn't until my sister moved to D.C. and I'd drive through the western part of the state that I began to fear the place. All I can say is that I would never do that drive after dark.
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I remember part of a road trip driving through PA. It was gorgeous. Trees everywhere. Pretty sure it was this very long toll road. Now that I think about it, it was the closest to what driving the autobahn in some parts of Germany was like.
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Tunnels? Probably the Turnpike. It's been years (8?) since I made the trip out to Pittsburgh, but parts of it are very nice.
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The couple of times I've been on the Turnpike, it has definitely reminded me of Germany
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That road is too fucking expensive.
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Ryan, they're corn mazes, not swastikas. Although...
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Driving through the middle of PA to the NY finger lakes area on a January evening was almost my last day on Earth.
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Johnnie wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:54 pm I remember part of a road trip driving through PA. It was gorgeous. Trees everywhere. Pretty sure it was this very long toll road. Now that I think about it, it was the closest to what driving the autobahn in some parts of Germany was like.
We drive from Reading to Pittsburgh about once a month to visit our daughter and her family in Pittsburgh; It is an easy and really pretty drive at anythime of the year. It makes you realize how heavily forested PA is.
We also drive once a month to visit our other daughter in Newton MA. That drive is more tedious, more difficult and significantly less scenic
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I have a new favorite politician, Arthur Jones, Republican candidate for Illinois' 3rd District. Not a Nazi, but only because he hasn't been to a meeting in a while.


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You need to drive on the turnpike some more. It sucks. Not as much as I80, but it's close. Dangerously narrow at times and way too expensive. I think it's around $10 billion in debt with an annual budget of $500 million. Almost 10 straight years of raising tools. US 30(Lincoln highway) runs parallel most of the length. It's much slower, but more scenic.
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So Fox News is now going after Jesse Farrar *and* partnered with Barstool?
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Pruitt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:22 pm
degenerasian wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:57 pm
Pruitt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:54 pm Well, the following things are being done - anthem (a movement to make it gender-neutral), some refugees have been temporarily placed in hotels (obviously, NOT the Four Seasons), one terrorist (as defined by the Americans who stuck him in Guantamo) was paid a legal settlement because " the Supreme Court of Canada had ruled that the Canadian government's interrogation of Omar Khadr at Guantanamo Bay "offend[ed] the most basic Canadian standards [of] the treatment of detained youth suspects".

Abortion is still legal here and Trudeau came under fire for vacations - but not for spending "millions" on them. He spent time on the private island of the Aga Khan who does business with the government.

The other stuff - debt, taxes are more due to incompetence than maliciousness. The rest is - as you'd figure - complete and utter nonsense. Like most countries we have or share of right-wing religious zealots. Luckily, they are still on the margins and haven't yet succeeded in fucking things up.

Hatred of the name "Trudeau" is firmly entrenched in the west. I'm not a big fan of the guy, but Sharia law is not on the horizon.
The left is attacking Trudeau as well, mostly over pipelines. If the NDP actually had their leader in the house he could really go after Trudeau. The Conservative leader Andrew Scheer crushes Trudeau everyday in the House.
If things continue as they have been, come October 2019, the world will wonder what's wrong with Canada. How come we aren't still embracing the handsome, well-spoken thoughtful hunk.

Trudeau is in more trouble. He and the Justice Minister tweeted that a jury came to the wrong verdict. They are politicizing the verdict. They wanted a sacrifice more than a verdict.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/02/11 ... _23358786/

I followed the case over the last few weeks and the prosecution's case was very poor and the testimony of the other 4 people in the car kept changing. I don't think the jury could have reached any other verdict.
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degenerasian wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:15 am
Trudeau is in more trouble. He and the Justice Minister tweeted that a jury came to the wrong verdict. They are politicizing the verdict. They wanted a sacrifice more than a verdict.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/02/11 ... _23358786/

I followed the case over the last few weeks and the prosecution's case was very poor and the testimony of the other 4 people in the car kept changing. I don't think the jury could have reached any other verdict.
The temptation is to make this into Canada's Michael Brown case - you're right, but there were inconsistencies on both sides of the trial, my feeling is that the prosecutors did a really bad job. In my mind, Stanley should have been found guilty of manslaughter at least.

But you're right - for the PM and two of his Cabinet Ministers to do this is unprecedented and kind of scary.
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Pruitt wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:03 pm
degenerasian wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:15 am
Trudeau is in more trouble. He and the Justice Minister tweeted that a jury came to the wrong verdict. They are politicizing the verdict. They wanted a sacrifice more than a verdict.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/02/11 ... _23358786/

I followed the case over the last few weeks and the prosecution's case was very poor and the testimony of the other 4 people in the car kept changing. I don't think the jury could have reached any other verdict.
The temptation is to make this into Canada's Michael Brown case - you're right, but there were inconsistencies on both sides of the trial, my feeling is that the prosecutors did a really bad job. In my mind, Stanley should have been found guilty of manslaughter at least.

But you're right - for the PM and two of his Cabinet Ministers to do this is unprecedented and kind of scary.
PM is being told not to comment anymore because the prosecution may appeal the verdict.

To me the witnesses were not reliable. They admitted on the stand, under oath, to lying in police statements and lying under oath at the preliminary hearing. Not to mention the stories changing, or the admission that they were drunk.

On the other side, a loaded gun is a loaded gun and pointing it anywhere is negligence .

But the onus is on the Crown and they never could make a case.
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Which seems odd - the guy did discharge a firearm at people who were unarmed. He's going to get a manslaughter conviction on appeal - the federal cabinet has invested too much for it to be otherwise.

I'm telling you though, Lil' Trudeau is losing me fast.
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Israeli police recommend indictment of Netanyahu on corruption charges

Fuck I hate this slime ball. And sadly as a Jew, he is in some ways the public face of my tribe. In terms of integrity, he is a circumsized Jacob Zuma.

Wonder why he and Trump get on so well?
He later released a long Facebook message. “The real question is the integrity of the investigation, and the only way to get to the bottom of it is through an objective, unbiased and quick investigation,” he said.
Because the police in Israel have a long history of undermining authority?
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Pruitt wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:49 pm Israeli police recommend indictment of Netanyahu on corruption charges

Fuck I hate this slime ball. And sadly as a Jew, he is in some ways the public face of my tribe. In terms of integrity, he is a circumsized Jacob Zuma.

Wonder why he and Trump get on so well?
He later released a long Facebook message. “The real question is the integrity of the investigation, and the only way to get to the bottom of it is through an objective, unbiased and quick investigation,” he said.
Because the police in Israel have a long history of undermining authority?
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You'd think of all people, Israelis would be leery of embracing right-wing fascist governments but guess Bibi is naive enough to think Trump's racist buddies won't come for the Jews next time.
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brian wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:13 pm You'd think of all people, Israelis would be leery of embracing right-wing fascist governments but guess Bibi is naive enough to think Trump's racist buddies won't come for the Jews next time.
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I legitimately do appreciate that background and in fact already knew some of it, but I think my overall point still stands despite being (admittedly) overly simplistic.

Lots of people who are very close to Trump would very much like to see every Jew in the world killed, even if they don't admit it in polite company. And Trump himself doesn't really seem to have an issue with those people and those groups.

For this fact alone you'd think that associating himself with Trump would be political suicide, but that doesn't necessarily appear to be the case.
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brian wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:04 pm Lots of people who are very close to Trump would very much like to see every Jew in the world killed, even if they don't admit it in polite company. And Trump himself doesn't really seem to have an issue with those people and those groups.
Yeah, it's an odd thing. Lots of Trump supporters seem to hate Jewish people and Jewish institutions, but support the state of Israel. (Because of common enmities?)
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brian wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:13 pm You'd think of all people, Israelis would be leery of embracing right-wing fascist governments but guess Bibi is naive enough to think Trump's racist buddies won't come for the Jews next time.
Israel was built by secular/reform/conservative Jews, but it is being dragged down by the Haredim.

Spend a couple of hours with some really, really orthodox Jews and you'll understand. These guys think liberal Jews are just slightly better than Polish men in uniforms. Honestly - burn the entire world down, as long as Israel is still letting them read Talmud all day, they don't care.

And of course, a lot of these guys would never dream of serving in the military or starting businesses or doing any of the things that has helped Israel to survive and even thrive. Netanyahu is their boy - doesn't even wear a yarmulke, but he panders to these guys like a pro.
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sancarlos wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:18 pm
brian wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:04 pm Lots of people who are very close to Trump would very much like to see every Jew in the world killed, even if they don't admit it in polite company. And Trump himself doesn't really seem to have an issue with those people and those groups.
Yeah, it's an odd thing. Lots of Trump supporters seem to hate Jewish people and Jewish institutions, but support the state of Israel. (Because of common enmities?)
The hard-core Evangelicals love Israel because once all of the Jews move back there, than Jesus can return and the rapture can begin. Either the Jews convert and take part in the great times to come, or they get incinerated - that part is secondary.

So at the root of it, their love of Israel is part of an effort to rid the world of Jews.
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Pruitt wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:23 pm
sancarlos wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:18 pm
brian wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:04 pm Lots of people who are very close to Trump would very much like to see every Jew in the world killed, even if they don't admit it in polite company. And Trump himself doesn't really seem to have an issue with those people and those groups.
Yeah, it's an odd thing. Lots of Trump supporters seem to hate Jewish people and Jewish institutions, but support the state of Israel. (Because of common enmities?)
The hard-core Evangelicals love Israel because once all of the Jews move back there, than Jesus can return and the rapture can begin. Either the Jews convert and take part in the great times to come, or they get incinerated - that part is secondary.

So at the root of it, their love of Israel is part of an effort to rid the world of Jews.
Yup. As crazy as this sounds, many American Evangelicals are hard core Israel supporters because they literally view the establishment of Israel as a necessary prelude to Armageddon and the rapture.
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sancarlos wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:18 pm
brian wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:04 pm Lots of people who are very close to Trump would very much like to see every Jew in the world killed, even if they don't admit it in polite company. And Trump himself doesn't really seem to have an issue with those people and those groups.
Yeah, it's an odd thing. Lots of Trump supporters seem to hate Jewish people and Jewish institutions, but support the state of Israel. (Because of common enmities?)
They all hate liberals and Arabs and Muslims more.
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A dude on NBA Reddit outed Laura Ingraham as running for Senate in Virginia for Tim Kaine's seat and ruined her campaign before it started.

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Johnnie wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:54 pm A dude on NBA Reddit outed Laura Ingraham as running for Senate in Virginia for Tim Kaine's seat and ruined her campaign before it started.

We're all flying upside down. How do we adjust our collective attitude?
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