If I were better prepared, maybe I would've gotten around to mentioning that just because a city in California has a lot of people doesn't mean that they are all liberals. 3 on 1 debates are hard enough when I can't even make a point and the topic changes.
But the premise of all their notions was "conservatives better, we need a baked in advantage because America is so liberal."
That's not even a fair base to even start a discussion.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:56 am
by L-Jam3
Just simply ask them if they'd be cool with it if Trump won the national vote but lost the electoral college vote.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:04 pm
by Johnnie
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:04 pm
by Johnnie
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:56 am
Just simply ask them if they'd be cool with it if Trump won the national vote but lost the electoral college vote.
I'll have to do that next time.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:06 am
by Johnnie
Wait, what?
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:13 am
by Nonlinear FC
Never has a thread title matched a post more than this one.
Par for the course, he insisted on a face to face meeting.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:37 am
by Johnnie
I've never seen this. It's hilarious.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:50 am
by Johnnie
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:46 am
by brian
This has the potential for some serious comedy.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:48 am
by Nonlinear FC
brian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:46 am
This has the potential for some serious comedy.
You know, in all my barely contained anxiety, I was pretty optimistic Biden would win. But I wasn't really able to focus on what that might look like.
I anticipated that Trump would further undermine the office (and himself, mostly) by bitching about losing. But my brain wasn't really ready for much more than that.
If what we're seeing this week is any indication, the GOP is going to be shredded by the Trumpists.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:50 am
by brian
Everything Trump touches dies.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:51 am
by Steve of phpBB
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:48 amIf what we're seeing this week is any indication, the GOP is going to be shredded by the Trumpists.
We can only hope. My fear is that the GOP has already lost the never-Trumpers, so everyone who is left will get behind whoever ends up speaking for the deplorables.
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:48 amIf what we're seeing this week is any indication, the GOP is going to be shredded by the Trumpists.
We can only hope. My fear is that the GOP has already lost the never-Trumpers, so everyone who is left will get behind whoever ends up speaking for the deplorables.
And at that point, I'll trot out my old chestnut: That's not a sustainable path in the mid- and long-term for a national party. The demographics are working against the GOP if they try to play straight to the White Woe is Me constituency.
The one thing the GOP has had over the Dems for decades is an extremely easy to rally (and control) patch of voting blocs. If that starts to crumble, they are fucked.
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:48 amIf what we're seeing this week is any indication, the GOP is going to be shredded by the Trumpists.
We can only hope. My fear is that the GOP has already lost the never-Trumpers, so everyone who is left will get behind whoever ends up speaking for the deplorables.
And at that point, I'll trot out my old chestnut: That's not a sustainable path in the mid- and long-term for a national party. The demographics are working against the GOP if they try to play straight to the White Woe is Me constituency.
The one thing the GOP has had over the Dems for decades is an extremely easy to rally (and control) patch of voting blocs. If that starts to crumble, they are fucked.
Maybe. But if the public focus stays on the (mostly justified) grievances of Blacks, I think you'll see more Latinos and Asians coming down on the "white" side of the divide and go Republican. I think it's quite likely that's a big part of what happened last week.
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:48 amIf what we're seeing this week is any indication, the GOP is going to be shredded by the Trumpists.
We can only hope. My fear is that the GOP has already lost the never-Trumpers, so everyone who is left will get behind whoever ends up speaking for the deplorables.
I don't see how the Trumpers and Never-Trumpers can coexist unless Trump disappears. I think the GOP would be wise to remove all Trump influence as soon as he leaves office and pretend it never happened. They can't outright condemn Trump or the past 4 years, just slip it into the memory hole and hope they don't lose Trumpers. I think they can do this by stoking fear through lies of Biden's Radical Leftist agenda. Let the Never-Trumpers believe they are retaking the Party without the Trumpers feeling like they need to leave the Party. I just don't see Trump letting go of the spotlight or the millions of worshippers. Both for his ego and for the cash trough they provide. While I would love for Trump to disappear and never have to hear from him again, I'd also love to see the GOP have a reckoning for allowing the monster to take over the Party. It'll be fascinating to see how this all pans out, but for some reason, the GOP are always able to land on their feet and double down on the cheating, lying and horrible behavior and rebuild a base.
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:48 amIf what we're seeing this week is any indication, the GOP is going to be shredded by the Trumpists.
We can only hope. My fear is that the GOP has already lost the never-Trumpers, so everyone who is left will get behind whoever ends up speaking for the deplorables.
I don't see how the Trumpers and Never-Trumpers can coexist unless Trump disappears. I think the GOP would be wise to remove all Trump influence as soon as he leaves office and pretend it never happened. They can't outright condemn Trump or the past 4 years, just slip it into the memory hole and hope they don't lose Trumpers. I think they can do this by stoking fear through lies of Biden's Radical Leftist agenda. Let the Never-Trumpers believe they are retaking the Party without the Trumpers feeling like they need to leave the Party. I just don't see Trump letting go of the spotlight or the millions of worshippers. Both for his ego and for the cash trough they provide. While I would love for Trump to disappear and never have to hear from him again, I'd also love to see the GOP have a reckoning for allowing the monster to take over the Party. It'll be fascinating to see how this all pans out, but for some reason, the GOP are always able to land on their feet and double down on the cheating, lying and horrible behavior and rebuild a base.
Part I bolded is because they have a 24-hour propaganda network that will shamelessly lie for them to promote whatever narrative they want.
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:48 amIf what we're seeing this week is any indication, the GOP is going to be shredded by the Trumpists.
We can only hope. My fear is that the GOP has already lost the never-Trumpers, so everyone who is left will get behind whoever ends up speaking for the deplorables.
If we've learned anything its that the Dems will bend over backwards to court this group via policy while depending on everything left to give them their margins.
Scary how much of that plan has been put into action: "Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:14 pm
by brian
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:05 pm
by psunate77
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:13 pm
by brian
Really good interview with John Fetterman. Have to say I've been really impressed with him these last few weeks and he hits the nail on the head several times in this interview. With Toomey retiring in 2022, I'd have to put Fetterman as the odds-on favorite to be the next junior senator from PA.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:35 pm
by Johnnie
I think Pelosi retires in 2022, right? Either way, she's probably done.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:55 pm
by brian
Redistricting will play a role and the effects of that can be measured and assumed somewhat, but I think it's a bad idea to assume what's going to happen in an election two years from now where Trump will not be on the ballot.
Historically the assumption would be the Dems will lose some seats, but there will be a lot of Senate seats in play for them and I don't think past history is going to be any guide for the next decade or two in national politics.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:33 am
by A_B
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:24 am
by Giff
brian wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:13 pmReally good interview with John Fetterman. Have to say I've been really impressed with him these last few weeks and he hits the nail on the head several times in this interview. With Toomey retiring in 2022, I'd have to put Fetterman as the odds-on favorite to be the next junior senator from PA.
brian wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:13 pmReally good interview with John Fetterman. Have to say I've been really impressed with him these last few weeks and he hits the nail on the head several times in this interview. With Toomey retiring in 2022, I'd have to put Fetterman as the odds-on favorite to be the next junior senator from PA.
This guy should be the face of the party.
Braddock, stand up!
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:49 pm
by A_B
The crazy Qanon lady used "my body, my choice" when discussing masks. Wonder where she stands on abortion?
I dunno. Didn't AOC also say something like that a few months ago, which conservatives jumped on as proof that she was stupid?
I don't really want to slam someone for not remembering that that three "branches" of government are different from the three bodies involved in the legislative process.
Re: Random Politics
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:05 pm
by A_B
I think it's a fair criticism of anyone in one of the branches, and the way this is phrased doesn't leave much room for "I Misspoke" so much as a fundamental misunderstanding.
I dunno. Didn't AOC also say something like that a few months ago, which conservatives jumped on as proof that she was stupid?
I don't really want to slam someone for not remembering that that three "branches" of government are different from the three bodies involved in the legislative process.
Why should we expect more exactitude about basic civics knowledge from someone who has been elected to one of those bodies? Give Senator Dipshit a break!