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The long road to find the Olympic team for Canada in Sochi 2014. Curling is going to be on my tv for the next month!

Six mens and womens teams have already qualified for the trials in Winnipeg on Dec 1.

Men: Kevin Martin, Glenn Howard, Jeff Stoughton, Kevin Koe, Mike McEwan, John Epping
Women: Jennifer Jones, Heather Nedohin, Stephanie Lawton, Rachel Homan, Sherry Middaugh, Chelsea Carey

2 more mens and womens teams will join them in Winnipeg as determined by the pre-trials that started yesterday. A triple-elimination tournament.

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Even the pre-trail field is strong, including Brad Jacobs, the current Canadian champion (who lost yesterday!) and on the womens side, Cheryl Bernard who won silver in Vancouver is there.

Scottie: who the hell is Jake Higgs? He beat both Frans and Kean in one day!
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Is The Wrench still active?
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Screw that, USA Curling is going to kick your maple syrup drinking asses in the Olympics! USA! USA! USA!

(Just getting in the Olympic spirit.)

((I just realized I'm going to be in Iceland during the Winter Olympics. Ought to be fascinating to see how (if at all) it is covered there. And what sports.))
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It's easy to forget that Canada's most populous province is Ontario and that there are a tremendous number of curlers there. On the men's side, there are so many great players. But you've never heard of them because they are not named Howard or Middaugh. Alberta's like that, too; tons of amazing players but Martin, Koe or (earlier) Ferbey win everything every year.

I don't know a thing about Jake Higgs. And Brad Jacobs had to be heavily favored. Stress "had". John Morris playing with Jim Cotter is heavyweight, right there. And Gushue always seems to find a way.

My club is being taken over this week by many of the guys that have already qualified for the Canadian Olympic Curling Trials (Martin, Koe, etc). Which means for the couple of weeks after they leave our ice will be faster than lightning. (To give a parallel, imagine if a PGA event happened at your golf club; the greens and cuts would be insane by ordinary daily standards)

Keg: Ed Werenich no longer curls competitively. Can't speak for our Wrench, mind you.
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Brian - I smell a Bonspiel of a bet coming up.
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For Alberta women both Kleibrink and Bernard lost this morning and go down to the B Bracket.

The most shocking results are both Webster and Holland have lost twice already and will play each other tonight in an elimination game. Especially Webster who has Overton as her third and the PEI hottie Ramsey as her second.
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Scottie: what do you think so far?

The final 4 in the women are set.

Scott and Sonnenberg play in qualifer 1, winner goes to the trials, loser drops down to qualifier 2
Bernard and Sweeting play in an eliminator, winner goes to qualifier 2, winner of that goes to the trials

The men are still a bit behind.

Morris and Jacobs play in qualfier 1, winner goes to the trials
7 guys including Gushue are still playing it out to get into the eliminator.
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I wish I was there, I can tell you that. One thing on which I'd like to get your opinion . . . I feel that any Canadian national "association" governing a sport will eventually screw up everything. And I think that is what is happening with the CCA rankings right now. There's too much weight being given to lesser events. Winning the Brier is still BY FAR the most difficult thing in the world of curling. My point is that Team Brad Jacobs should already have qualified for the Olympic Trials by winning the Brier. Drives me nuts to see the current Brier champion being forced to qualify while some guy like Epping, who has never even won Ontario, is already granted a spot. To me, that is ridiculous. And I'd bet it's ridiculous to Jacobs as well.
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Scottie wrote:I wish I was there, I can tell you that. One thing on which I'd like to get your opinion . . . I feel that any Canadian national "association" governing a sport will eventually screw up everything. And I think that is what is happening with the CCA rankings right now. There's too much weight being given to lesser events. Winning the Brier is still BY FAR the most difficult thing in the world of curling. My point is that Team Brad Jacobs should already have qualified for the Olympic Trials by winning the Brier. Drives me nuts to see the current Brier champion being forced to qualify while some guy like Epping, who has never even won Ontario, is already granted a spot. To me, that is ridiculous. And I'd bet it's ridiculous to Jacobs as well.
I think they want consistancy. It's unfair that jacobs and gushue are in every brier and can win it while epping and mcewan never get in because of where they live.
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degenerasian wrote:I think they want consistancy. It's unfair that jacobs and gushue are in every brier and can win it while epping and mcewan never get in because of where they live.
Consistency is a pipe dream, though. You mean parity of some sort? It's impossible. The number of curlers in Ontario or Alberta or Manitoba will never equal the same as Quebec or New Brunswick or the stupid Territories. And at the same time, the cash spiels and World Curling Tour events are going to remain even MORE unequal. That cash isn't spread out equally across the land; it's rooted in Ontario. It is far easier to win a cash spiel at the Bobcaygeon Curling Club than to win a Tankard or the Brier. Winning the Brier is insanely difficult. You have to win in your club first (that's difficult enough), then win in your zone playdowns, then win your province (which is brutally difficult) and then, as if that's not bad enough, you have to defeat an entire field of the best players in the world. Winning the Brier takes sustained excellence over a period of months, playing every day at the highest level. To win a cash spiel? You need one solid weekend.

The CCA really has to stop with the Ontariocentric and politically correct bullshit and give the Brier and the STOH the weight they deserve. If you win the Brier or the STOH, you automatically represent Canada at the World Championships. That's not good enough to get you an Olympic trial spot? Laughable. Ridiculous.
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They just changed it this year. In 2009 the brier winner got in.

I think they want more teams in the tour events and make the grand slam more important with the new 10 year tv contract. With an automatic berth the brier winner might not play so much this year? And tv wants them there.

the ultimate dream for curling is to make it like the pga tour. Tournaments every week and points accumulate for a fedex cup type deal.. or points for olympic trails

unfortunately I see the brier and provincial play being less significant in the years to come. It's all about money.
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degenerasian wrote:With an automatic berth the brier winner might not play so much this year? And tv wants them there.
Oh, no, not at all. The opposite is true. You win the Brier and you get invited to more events than ten teams could attend. Every spiel wants the Brier winner participating*. Plus it is not like that foolish "Team Canada" rubbish on the wimmin's side. If you win the Brier you have to, properly, earn your way back if you want to defend it.

If the CCA really wanted more exposure for a Brier champion, they'd make sure that the Brier champion was in the Olympic Trials which is televised as the Brier is televised, every draw all week. Right now there is, looking at the pre-tournament tournament math, a 90% chance (or greater) that the Brier winner won't be at the Olympic Trials. As usual, the CCA is not just shooting themselves in the foot but they are blowing their head off.

*another golf analogy, how many more cash/exhibition events does a Masters winner get invited to?
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But the masters is a money event. Grand slam.
its not a tournament of state champs.

Were spiels paying to have jacobs this year? I didnt see him much. He got a lot of points for winning the brier but finished 7th in the race.

I love the brier and like the grey cup it will always be the great canadian event. But professionally, the brier will lose its significance.
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They also thought that it was unfair that just the reigning brier champ in an olympic year gets in. What about the other 3 in between? Should they all get in?
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Last day of the pre-trials.

women:
Sonnenberg is in.. Scott and Sweeting will playoff for the 2nd spot. Bernard lost to Sweeting yesterday on a blown last shot.

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Morris is in.. Jacobs and Gushue will playoff for the 2nd spot.
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degenerasian wrote:They also thought that it was unfair that just the reigning brier champ in an olympic year gets in. What about the other 3 in between? Should they all get in?
But that's also misrepresented. Because a team qualifies under a series of conditional statements, right? If not, theoretically one team can have almost every qualifying slot. So it goes . . . BigMoney Tournament winner Team Bossy Hogrock qualifies for the Olympic Trails if he is not already qualified as World Curling Tour champion, in which case second place qualifies unless, of course, he is not already qualified as winner of the Hyundai-BMW World Daisy Picking Championships. And if unless or. If he has already qualified under some other fashion, the second place of HeeHooHaa Underpants Skins Game qualifies unless they've already qualified in which case the winner of the 24-hour Beer Chugging Marathon For Kids Charity qualifies, unless they've already qualified because they won the Fuck Me It's Freezing Out Here Spiel and there was a tsunami in Wyoming on a Tuesday afternoon in August. Etc.

If you win the Brier in an Olympic qualifying year you should be in. That is to say, every fourth Brier winner gets an Olympic Trials spot. Very simple. The other Brier winners in non-Olympic qualifier years? Too bad, it wasn't an Olympic Qualifier year.

By the way . . . NO sport ever went from not even being in the Olympics to being entirely about money anywhere close to how fast curling got there. And NO Olympic sport that I can think of has ridiculous amounts of money, arguably all the money available in the world curling tour and every bonspiel from which a team can get qualify points, tied to Olympic qualifying. It really is incredible.
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Haha not quite scottie. I think for some reason the canada cup is the only direct qualifying tournament. Makes no sense.

For 2018.there will be a spot for the overall 2015, 2016 and 2017 champs.. thats 4 spots.

you are right.. curling went from nothing in the 80s to big money now. No other sport is close.


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here we go, Sunday Dec 1, the beginning of the best Curling Bonspiel every 4 years

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and TSN has decided to hire this guy!



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TSN can eat a dick.

Imagine the outrage if that shit-flinging monkey Jim Carrey was hired to promote some moron film of his at Augusta National during The Masters.

Yeah, that'd go over well.
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Come on! You must like that he's ripping Vic Rauter.

But yeah this is pretty painful. Stupid idea.
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Not listening. It's disgraceful.

The NHL had enough sense to take hockey away from those assholes. Hopefully the CCA will take curling away from them. A third-rate "comedian" promoting an American film during the Olympic trials which players have devoted thousands of hours, if not lifetimes, to reach? Yeah, that's classy.

Fucking disgusting.
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Six in one end. You just don't see that. Not at that level. That would be like a major league baseball team scoring about 24 runs in an inning.

Having said that, it happened in my men's "A" League on Tuesday night. A team scored 6 in the second end and, get this, lost! That's almost impossible.
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Rachel Homan throwing twenty feet light on an open draw, against two edge rocks, is a bad omen for her. Playing that poorly? Against a team that should have been a win? Doesn't bode well.

One thing about the Olympic trials, there are no easy games. Not like the Nationals. You aren't going out there to play PEI or New Brunswick or the stupid Territories. Every team in that men's field is world class.
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Sweeting was great in the pre-trails. Coming out of Kevin Martins curling club she's getting better and better.
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degenerasian wrote:Sweeting was great in the pre-trails. Coming out of Kevin Martins curling club she's getting better and better.
It's Shitballs' club, too. And Kevin Koe. I've played there. But I was a member at Ottewell when I last lived in Edmonton. That's where Martin used to play before moving to the Saville complex (which is over by UofA and is enormous; they got a tremendous amount of funding in the last few years).
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Renée Sonnenberg plays out of Saville, too.

Fucking hell, that's incredible. So that's, what, 5 of the top 16 teams in the country that are at this Olympic Trial (8M, 8W) that all come from the same club. Granted it is a gigantic club, largest in the country, but damn! That's amazing.

Plus that was John Morris' club for the last few years.

Man, I thought my club was tough.
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Pretty surprising. Homan, Lawton and Shitballs all lose in draw 1. Jones sitting pretty. Only 7 game round-robin. Not much room for error.

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Jacobs will be tough to beat if he plays like that. Crushed Stoughton. Howard lost too. Martin won.
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Yep. But the best team on the ice might well have been Epping.
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Scottie wrote:Yep. But the best team on the ice might well have been Epping.
Epping played that 10th end pretty crazy though. Waaaaay too many rocks in play. That said.. amazing draw to the button to win.
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Scottie wrote:Not listening. It's disgraceful.

The NHL had enough sense to take hockey away from those assholes. Hopefully the CCA will take curling away from them. A third-rate "comedian" promoting an American film during the Olympic trials which players have devoted thousands of hours, if not lifetimes, to reach? Yeah, that's classy.

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Post-game interviews from Day 1.

Scottie will definitely have a comment or 10 about Shitballs.



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degenerasian wrote:Scottie will definitely have a comment or 10 about Shitballs.
Heh. One thing you never never never do in an interview is blame your team for your own shortcomings. Shitballs says "Yeah, we had a bit of a slip up there in the 4th" (meaning she missed both of her shots) "and that's unfortunate when you are drawing against three" (meaning there were three opposition rocks on the house because her team, not her, missed their shots and that is why they lost). In an etiquette sport such a curling, making those statements is considered unacceptable behaviour.

Every rock thrown in competitive curling is really being thrown by all four players. The one who delivers the stone, the two sweeping (who are watching time, weight, line, angles) and the one at the other end watching all of that together and more; all four are constantly communicating throughout the shot making sure everyone involved knows as much as can be known.

That's typical Shitballs. Curling's FIGJAM. "Damn, I'd make everything if it wasn't for my team and everyone else."
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and she didn't say a word about the other team. Sonnenberg is an excellent tactian. I believe she's even coached in Europe.

Although Homan just whupped her ass.
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Shitballs now 0-2. Lost to Carey. Draw against three in the extra end and came up light (didn't even reach the rings).

Who's she going to blame for that!?
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Sonnenberg coached one of the Euro teams in the 2010 Olympics. Norway or Denmark, one of those. I forget. But they sought her for the job, she didn't fall in to it.

Y'know, Shitballs is never going to praise the other team. As appalling and uncivil as she can be at every other aspect of life, it's hard to hold that against her too much (although you still can) because almost NONE of the womens teams ever say anything nice about each other. It's a bitch klatch. Only one exception comes to mind; Colleen Jones would start every interview with a positive comment about the other team. Win or lose. Every time. "They played great today and you'd expect them to play great, they're one of the best teams in the world." She could be playing a nothing team and she'd still go out of her way to encourage them in that way. Colleen loves the game and will do anything to help it. She is very much the exception.

Complete opposite with the men. Praise all around. And they all know each other. They don't call it Gushue's team, they say "Brad". Not Martin's team, it's "Kev". Total camaraderie; at the end of the day they're all just the lads, eh.

The women? They don't even refer to each other by name very often. Usually a snide dismissive "them". Just listen. It's striking. The arrogance. The envy. The bitterness toward the other women of a fashion that only women can conjure. Fucking witches.
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That is true. Yesterday Morris walking over to watch Epping's final draw was pretty cool. There is more of a friendship on the men's side although on yesterday's broadcast they did mention that even the men are really quiet this week. Shows the importance of the event.

Jacobs is just throwing..unreal. If I could bet on this I'd get good odds for him right now.
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Scottie: how did Jones give up a steal if 4!? I was watching football.
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She was heavy on an easy draw; threw it right through the house. She gave up seven points on steals in that game. Sheesh.

That stupid piece of shit Vic Rauter reminded me why I always watch games with the volume OFF just now. Turned it up for a second just in time to hear him describe a picked rock (a rock that caught a piece of debris and lost its path) as a "terrible mistake by Team Homan". It really is difficult to believe someone could possibly be that stupid. That's like describing getting struck by lightning as a "terribly bad decision".
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