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But make sure to have the audio on mute. It's pretty easy to catch up with 95% of the thrills and spills of the NFL draft (and I'm a fan) after the fact. Better would be to listen to some mid-60s Percy Sledge. Maybe the Chi-Lites. In case you missed it:
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Floyd Mayweather Bans Michelle Beadle, Rachel Nichols From Covering Bout

I will be just fine and happy once this clown is done fighting, and he can go back to beating women in obliquity. Hopefully that will be about midnight tonight.

ETA: wtf is obliquity? I meant to type obscurity.
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howard wrote:Floyd Mayweather Bans Michelle Beadle, Rachel Nichols From Covering Bout

I will be just fine and happy once this clown is done fighting, and he can go back to beating women in obliquity. Hopefully that will be about midnight tonight.
Right with you on that - the entire clan of Mayweather men seem like walking pieces of garbage.

I'll side with the God-fearing congressman.
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Lenox Lewis may be the single worst commentator I have ever heard.
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You try to form sentences after getting punched In The head for a living.
You know what you need? A lyrical sucker punch to the face.
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AB_skin_test wrote:You try to form sentences after getting punched In The head for a living.
Yeah... but what is James Brown's excuse?
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Just a few months ago I would have taken it as a given that I'd be watching this live tonight, but a combination of moral reservations about giving money to Mayweather and the price just being too damn high have me sitting this one out. I feel like I magically acquired a free $100.

Also, it's really bizarre to see the sheer volume of celebrities milling around the event, considering how boxing has drifted to the fringes of popular consciousness in recent years. This is the first fight in a long time, and might be the last of my lifetime, to reach a level where people feel compelled to be interested simply because it is a big deal, rather than having any particular interested in the sport itself.
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I bet big money on Mayweather by decision and justified the PPV as ensuring my investment. Money well spent.
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I shouldn't be but yet am legitimately shocked by everyone saying the fight sucked and blaming Floyd. He's a piece of shit outside the ring no doubt but he fucking threw more punches than Pacquiao. We're not even talking about landed punches. That's the same fight he's fought for 10 years. If you were expecting Balboa-Drago you should have saved your money.
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brian wrote:I shouldn't be but yet am legitimately shocked by everyone saying the fight sucked and blaming Floyd. He's a piece of shit outside the ring no doubt but he fucking threw more punches than Pacquiao. We're not even talking about landed punches. That's the same fight he's fought for 10 years. If you were expecting Balboa-Drago you should have saved your money.

people actually believed a 36 year old Pacquiao could catch him.
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brian wrote:I shouldn't be but yet am legitimately shocked by everyone saying the fight sucked and blaming Floyd. He's a piece of shit outside the ring no doubt but he fucking threw more punches than Pacquiao. We're not even talking about landed punches. That's the same fight he's fought for 10 years. If you were expecting Balboa-Drago you should have saved your money.
Agree 100% - that was a master class.

And as for moral qualms about giving money to Mayweather, my high road disappeared many years ago. And will disappear again the next time I make any NFL-related purchase.
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degenerasian wrote: people actually believed a 36 year old Pacquiao could catch him.
A 31yo Manny I would've like to have seen.
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Probably the cynic in me but I think Floyd fights a tomato can-ish opponent in September/October then "retires" but is lured back in May 2016 for a rematch against Manny to open MGM's new arena on the Strip and go for 50-0. I think he has too much ego to not go for 50-0.
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brian wrote:Probably the cynic in me but I think Floyd fights a tomato can-ish opponent in September/October then "retires" but is lured back in May 2016 for a rematch against Manny to open MGM's new arena on the Strip and go for 50-0. I think he has too much ego to not go for 50-0.
With you except for the idea of a rematch with Pacquaio. The interest simply won't be there.

HBO will spend the next year or so making Terrance Crawford (who seems like an outstanding fighter) into a mega star. Perfect opponent for a big money showdown - clean living, great story and will have to come up in weight to face Mayweather.

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I certainly don't think the demand would obviously be anything what it was like for this one, but it would probably still end up making Floyd something like $60 or $70M. I don't know there are too many other fights out there to give him one big last payday like that. Of course, who the hell knows what he's thinking. Maybe he's serious about hanging it up in September. I will say that I would be shocked in MGM didn't make a run at him to try and open the new arena after it's done in April, especially if it's a fight to give him a historic landmark like 50-0.
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brian wrote:Probably the cynic in me but I think Floyd fights a tomato can-ish opponent in September/October then "retires" but is lured back in May 2016 for a rematch against Manny to open MGM's new arena on the Strip and go for 50-0. I think he has too much ego to not go for 50-0.
With you except for the idea of a rematch with Pacquaio. The interest simply won't be there.

HBO will spend the next year or so making Terrance Crawford (who seems like an outstanding fighter) into a mega star. Perfect opponent for a big money showdown - clean living, great story and will have to come up in weight to face Mayweather.

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There is 37-3 Lucas Mattysse who had a fight of the year couple weeks ago. There is also Golovkin at 154?
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Golovkin would be the big fight, but no one wants GGG.
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Pruitt wrote:Golovkin would be the big fight, but no one wants GGG.
Also the IBF champion Kell Brook (34-0) want a piece of Mayweather to unify the title. Mayweather is not interested. Brook not a big enough deal.
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I found myself telling a not-really-a-boxing-fan, who didn't get any part of why the fight might have been even a little bit important, that Mayweather was the best defensive boxer ever.

Then I realized I didn't have much of a clue who any others might be. Sugar Ray? Ali?

Really, I don't even know if Mayweather is at the top of the list. Perhaps some non-champ who couldn't hit anyone, or an old-timer whose name escapes me, was better defensively?

I'd appreciate being enlightened.
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You'd have to have Bernard Hopkins up there.

Ali in his prime was untouchable, and I remember Sugar Ray Leonard being the same early in his career.

I remember Pernell Whitaker as being a great fighter, but a quick google search has him listed as one of the great defensive boxers of all time.

here's a bio: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/6/24/56 ... highlights
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Man, that didn't take long for my prediction to come true. Manny and Floyd will fight again on Cinco de Mayo weekend 2016 to open the new Las Vegas Arena. Meantime, Floyd fights a tomato can in September to fulfill his Showtime contract. Book it.
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Yep. And Ray Leonard fought Duran a third time, nine years after 'no mas'. Nice call, though.
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brian wrote:Man, that didn't take long for my prediction to come true. Manny and Floyd will fight again on Cinco de Mayo weekend 2016 to open the new Las Vegas Arena. Meantime, Floyd fights a tomato can in September to fulfill his Showtime contract. Book it.

Will anyone buy this fight? It was a mega fight because it was the fight everyone wanted for years.
But now they've seen it.
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Even if you lop 2/3rds of the revenue off from the live gate and the PPV buys you're still left with Mayweather making about $50-$60M and Manny making about $35-$40M (assuming a 60-40 split again). Like I said, I don't think Mayweather will get close to that for whomever he fights in September. If they both want one last big payday (which is my bet) then it makes sense.

The two big questions in my mind if it does go off -- how much does the public buy the excuse of Manny's shoulder injury being the reason he wasn't as active as usual? Would Manny want a "warm-up" flight post surgery next spring before fighting Mayweather again?. I know for a fact the main reason for all this is wanting Mayweather-Pacquiao II to open the new arena in May (wouldn't surprise me if MGM was the main party pressuring Mayweather to consent to a rematch), so that will have a role in determining the latter.
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don't know if this statistic is possible to find out but how much of the PPV buys were Filipinos. They'll watch Pacquiao do anything, even if he's 50 years old.
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degenerasian wrote:don't know if this statistic is possible to find out but how much of the PPV buys were Filipinos. They'll watch Pacquiao do anything, even if he's 50 years old.
There certainly is a huge Filipino community in the United States, especially on the West Coast. In Las Vegas alone, I think they number in the tens of thousands. So that's another compelling point in favor of a rematch doing pretty well financially. For the record, I think my estimate of the next fight if it goes off dropping 2/3rd in revenue is way high. I think at worst it could be closer to 50 percent. Which still makes it one of the biggest fights in history financially.
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I was surprised at how much the hype bled into the mainstream. I saw/heard people talking about this fight I did not expect would even be aware. They hype penetrated more deeply/broadly than I expected. I don't think that translates into a ton more PPV buys, you need a significant degree of commitment to dish out $100.
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howard wrote:I was surprised at how much the hype bled into the mainstream. I saw/heard people talking about this fight I did not expect would even be aware. They hype penetrated more deeply/broadly than I expected. I don't think that translates into a ton more PPV buys, you need a significant degree of commitment to dish out $100.
I'm pretty sure Winnipeg has the highest per-capita Filipino population outside of the Philippines. There were so many businesses hosting "Manny parties" and stuff like that Saturday night.
It was huge here, and like you said, completely unexpected people were, at the very least, aware of it.

I streamed it online for a bit, but was pretty in the bag by that time of night already, so don't remember much. I'm fairly indifferent to boxing in general, but it does really bother me that Mayweather is gets all that money.
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degenerasian wrote:don't know if this statistic is possible to find out but how much of the PPV buys were Filipinos. They'll watch Pacquiao do anything, even if he's 50 years old.
There certainly is a huge Filipino community in the United States, especially on the West Coast. In Las Vegas alone, I think they number in the tens of thousands. So that's another compelling point in favor of a rematch doing pretty well financially. For the record, I think my estimate of the next fight if it goes off dropping 2/3rd in revenue is way high. I think at worst it could be closer to 50 percent. Which still makes it one of the biggest fights in history financially.
I just took a look at the site for the largest city in my county, Daly City, CA (hometown of John Madden and John Robinson). Fully 1/3 of the population is Filipino, and over half the populace is Asian. A bar in Daly City would've been a fun place to watch the fight.
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howard wrote:I was surprised at how much the hype bled into the mainstream. I saw/heard people talking about this fight I did not expect would even be aware. They hype penetrated more deeply/broadly than I expected. I don't think that translates into a ton more PPV buys, you need a significant degree of commitment to dish out $100.
This is like 100% ESPN driving the conversation, right? If they tell their audience something is big, their audience treats something like its big.
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Trav, I did not mean Filipino people; their interest I very much expected. Filipino people who care nothing about sport watch when Manny fights. It is how I imagine it was for black people when Joe Louis fought or Jackie Robinson played; everyone tunes in (well to the radio back then.)
mister d wrote:This is like 100% ESPN driving the conversation, right? If they tell their audience something is big, their audience treats something like its big.
Makes sense to me.
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degenerasian wrote:
brian wrote:Man, that didn't take long for my prediction to come true. Manny and Floyd will fight again on Cinco de Mayo weekend 2016 to open the new Las Vegas Arena. Meantime, Floyd fights a tomato can in September to fulfill his Showtime contract. Book it.

Will anyone buy this fight? It was a mega fight because it was the fight everyone wanted for years.
But now they've seen it.
Unless Pacquiao beats a really good fighter in the next 6 months, this fight won't happen. No one outside of Manilla will want to see it.
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The way my strong favorites are faring tonight (warriors, bumgarner starting for the giants), Canelo Alvarez will probably get knocked out by the old dude tonight (James "Mandingo Warrior" Kirkland). But Kirkland will probably end up like Ken Norton at the end of that movie. This should have a bit more action than last week's big fight.
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is it on regular tv or do they have the balls to ask for money again?
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HBO.

and it's over. unlike last week's boxing match, this was a fight.
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That's too bad, I had drank enough that I would have enjoyed watching two guys beat each other up. Guess I can still head up to the bars for that though.
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howard wrote:The way my strong favorites are faring tonight (warriors, bumgarner starting for the giants), Canelo Alvarez will probably get knocked out by the old dude tonight (James "Mandingo Warrior" Kirkland). But Kirkland will probably end up like Ken Norton at the end of that movie. This should have a bit more action than last week's big fight.
And I thought losing boxers just got knocked out. I guess they reserve the shooting/drowning combo for the uppity ones who mess with the white women.
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Rex wrote:That's too bad, I had drank enough that I would have enjoyed watching two guys beat each other up. Guess I can still head up to the bars for that though.
Or just watch some clips of the old Ewing-Oakley-Mason-Starks Knicks teams.
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howard wrote:HBO.

and it's over. unlike last week's boxing match, this was a fight.
A combination of Canelo looking great and Kirkland having whatever strategy his trainer gave him smacked out of him half way through the first round.

Alvarez looked fantastic. And I think Kirkland is heading into Mike Alvarado territory.

Glad I taped that broadcast though - no way I'd sit through a replay of the entire Mayweather-Pacquaio fight and what can you say about a fighter who throws away a chance to fight on HBO?
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