Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:39 pm

Shirley wrote:That's just fucking stupid. That chick should say no.

What a complete fucking idiot.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:10 pm

Pruitt wrote:
Shirley wrote:That's just fucking stupid. That chick should say no.
What a complete fucking idiot.

The cops, too. I can't believe he got the cops to agree to this. This can't be real.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:42 am

Eight cops surround an unarmed 73 year old man who has dementia. He's slow to respond to their demands that he take his hands out of his pockets so he is shot seven times and killed.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/13/us/bakers ... index.html

Does police training merely consist of learning how to yell, counting to three and then shooting to kill?

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:49 pm

Pruitt wrote:Eight cops surround an unarmed 73 year old man who has dementia. He's slow to respond to their demands that he take his hands out of his pockets so he is shot seven times and killed.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/13/us/bakers ... index.html

Does police training merely consist of learning how to yell, counting to three and then shooting to kill?

Man, that's scary. That could be my father.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:12 pm

sancarlos wrote:
Pruitt wrote:Eight cops surround an unarmed 73 year old man who has dementia. He's slow to respond to their demands that he take his hands out of his pockets so he is shot seven times and killed.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/13/us/bakers ... index.html

Does police training merely consist of learning how to yell, counting to three and then shooting to kill?
Man, that's scary. That could be my father.

He was holding a crucifix.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:29 pm

I don't understand the SOP of cops these days. I simply don't.

But one trend I've learned through both my active shooter training a couple weeks back and the current nuclear weapons incident response training I'm getting this week is that the immediate protocol is to assume the absolute worst in each scenario immediately and let the discovery of facts determine otherwise.

(In the former for example, even if the perp is going on a stabbing spree, it's still an "active shooter" because the cops will respond in the same way as if he had a gun. Despite the common sense of "you can't shoot anyone with a knife," the terminology, and thus response to the crime doesn't change. It simplifies the playbook.

In the latter, if an incident occurs, it's always immediately deemed a nefarious incident and you work too fact find otherwise.)

I get the feeling that that culture has permeated in other realms. And using common sense and 'benefit of the doubt' in any scenario is not employed.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:57 pm

Pruitt wrote:
He was holding a crucifix.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

Well, if the cop is a vampire...

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:00 pm

Johnnie wrote:I get the feeling that that culture has permeated in other realms. And using common sense and 'benefit of the doubt' in any scenario is not employed.

Like Deflategate.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:45 pm

rass · Post by **rass** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:41 am

dammit again!

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:30 am

Unarmed, blonde white woman shot by black, Muslim cop would be much more fun as a thought experiment than real life.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:46 pm

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:08 am

Cop Arrests Nurse For Doing Her Job

There's a "blood draw unit" in the Salt Lake City police? Is this a thing now?

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:35 am

Pruitt wrote:Cop Arrests Nurse For Doing Her Job

There's a "blood draw unit" in the Salt Lake City police? Is this a thing now?

Blood draws are mandatory for suspected DUIs and/or crashes with bodily injury or death in Florida. Haven't read this story, but maybe that's why they were looking for it? Unsure if there's an actual blood draw unit here.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:24 pm

govmentchedda wrote:
Pruitt wrote:Cop Arrests Nurse For Doing Her Job

There's a "blood draw unit" in the Salt Lake City police? Is this a thing now?

Blood draws are mandatory for suspected DUIs and/or crashes with bodily injury or death in Florida. Haven't read this story, but maybe that's why they were looking for it? Unsure if there's an actual blood draw unit here.

Read the article. There is NO justification for the cop's actions. And, they didn't even suspend him - just reassigned him. This has gone national and the shit is hitting the fan.
https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/903629036102066176

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:08 pm

https://twitter.com/copstopcoach/status ... 7422173184

MaxWebster · Post by **MaxWebster** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:37 pm

a) i didn't know Mad magazine was still around

b) that's (sadly) solid

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:09 pm

MaxWebster wrote:a) i didn't know Mad magazine was still around

b) that's (sadly) solid

Agreed on both counts. That's an excellent political cartoon.

Post by **brian** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:46 am

Just closed our office in Saint Louis for the day after another cop gets away with murder.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:00 am

The principal issue in the case was whether the officer planted the gun found in the vehicle. Only the officer's DNA -- and not the victim's -- was found on the gun. This line from the judge's opinion is rightfully drawing a lot of attention:

https://twitter.com/jacoblong_ksdk/stat ... 6516356096

Including the word "urban" was an interesting choice, to say the least.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:29 am

Holy hell. Eyewitnesses, historical events, fucking VIDEO isn't enough the other way around, but in this case a hunch not even backed up with any sort of data is enough.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:29 am

I bet when he went to Subway, which they all do, he got his sandwich on URBAN CHEESE bread.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:58 am

That CNN article also omits that the police officer said, "Were going to kill this motherfucker" shortly before he did, in fact, kill him. The prosecutor argues that was clear evidence of premeditation, but the judge dismissed it as "ambiguous."

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:36 pm

St. Louis police union goes hard after pizzeria owner. Sheesh.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:00 pm

sancarlos wrote:St. Louis police union goes hard after pizzeria owner. Sheesh.

That pizza place is just down the street from my apartment (less than 1,000 feet door-to-door). It's a great place, and I hope the "Blue Lives Matter" assholes harassing them will only make it more popular. I have a lot of thoughts about everything that's been going on here the past week, but suffice it to say that I find the pizzeria owner's account to be very believable.

Post by **brian** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:08 pm

Love that place. We go to the one downtown on Washington and will be sure to do so next time we're in town.

(Really they deserve a medal for not using Provel on their pizzas if nothing else.)

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:45 am

Do they not train these guys?

Cops Shoot Unarmed Man While Responding To "Swatting" Call

ETA - as cited in the "Deadspin" thread.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:55 am

While I do weep for humanity, I think I’d like to drop-kick some sense into it as well.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:50 am

I literally just went through escalation of force training in New Jersey as part of my requirements to enter a fucking warzone.

Reading and seeing this shit boggles my mind. If I'm approached by person holding an AK and it isn't aimed at me, I'm allowed to do NOTHING. It's just a dude holding a thing he's allowed to hold in his native country.

But cops are allowed to execute potential perps because they feel threatened due to the slightest arm movement. That's the overall problem. Maybe their training should include actually SEEING a weapon before they shoot and not assuming there is one. Or, fuck, if they are the only unit to arrive, call for backup to surround a guy.

This isn't though to fix. But when the courts decide it's ok for cops to kill (basically) it makes me nuts.

Here's the Daniel Shaver killing released a few weeks back. It's horrible. The dude was executed. Just have the dude lay on the ground completely starfished and wait for backup. But no. The cop just had to kill him.

https://youtu.be/M62Va6Ft2cw

Post by **brian** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:36 pm

It’s a reasonable question why American cops aren’t held to same escalation of force policies as soldiers.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:36 pm

the wichita lawsuit will be fun

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:25 pm

i heard on the news the police around the US get 400 of these types of calls per year

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:35 pm

degenerasian wrote:i heard on the news the police around the US get 400 of these types of calls per year

Which makes this situation even more reprehensible.

Weaponize the hell out of these guys, but training?

Why bother.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:49 pm

brian wrote:It’s a reasonable question why American cops aren’t held to same escalation of force policies as soldiers.

My escalation of force literally had me shove a person before I shoot him/her.

I have multiple weapons on my person, hypothetically, in the moment, and I should physically push the person back (with my hands or buttstock of my rifle) before I can switch my rifle from safe to fire and squeeze the trigger.

But cops just get to play video games in real life.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:48 pm

So Johns Hopkins is trying to get a bill passed to create their own police force.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... story.html

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:53 pm

And I can assume their weaponry of choice won't be lax sticks.

Post by **brian** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:55 pm

As big (and high profile) as it is, seems to make sense to me. Sounds like the setup in MD is similar to MI and NV (my only two frames of reference) where large public universities have their own police forces who are essentially just state police. In other words, state (not city) cops who report ultimately to the governor of the state.

There are no huge private universities in either state where it would make sense to have their own police department, but if there were and assuming that they followed the same structure as the public universities, doesn't seem like a big deal.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:16 pm

brian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:55 pm As big (and high profile) as it is, seems to make sense to me. Sounds like the setup in MD is similar to MI and NV (my only two frames of reference) where large public universities have their own police forces who are essentially just state police. In other words, state (not city) cops who report ultimately to the governor of the state.

There are no huge private universities in either state where it would make sense to have their own police department, but if there were and assuming that they followed the same structure as the public universities, doesn't seem like a big deal.

Back in the old days when I was at Colorado State, the campus police were a joke. A bunch of goobers more akin to security guards than real police.

Post by **brian** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:39 pm

The implication of this request is it might not be too dissimilar at Johns Hopkins. But at CMU the cops were buttoned down. The campus police jobs (esp at UM and MSU) were considered primo jobs to move over to the state police proper which was the creme de la creme of policing jobs in Michigan (at the time at least). Things might have changed

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:36 am

Not a policing issue, but from a similar place - authoritarian creep.

How the hell are these shock belts even for a second considered acceptable in a developed country?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... 862106dc83