2016 Presidential Race

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:35 pm

Just gonna leave this here:

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rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:48 pm

tennbengal wrote:"loaded for bear" probably means "brimming with terrorists" in his head. Totally sane. Nothing crazy there at all.

Right. What does "loaded for bear" mean in that context?

Post by **brian** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:04 pm

The only safe assumption is that he does not mean literal bears.

Moreta · Post by **Moreta** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:07 pm

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:24 pm

Well, I believe people who use that term usually mean it as a synonym for "heavily armed", so clearly Trump thinks some mosques essentially are ISIS cells, ready to shoot good 'muricans.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:45 pm

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:18 pm

sancarlos wrote:Well, I believe people who use that term usually mean it as a synonym for "heavily armed", so clearly Trump thinks some mosques essentially are ISIS cells, ready to shoot good 'muricans.

Maybe we should look into closing all mosques, just to be sure. As Thomas Jefferson said, it is better to persecute an entire class of people than to let one member of that class get away with something. Actually, that would apply to welfare, too. It's better that millions go hungry than one person buys a lobster with food stamps. Or drives a cadillac.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:11 pm

Pruitt wrote:And I learned that this actually happened...

There was a sequel to Radio?

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:42 pm

brian wrote:The only safe assumption is that he does not mean literal bears.

The swamp is so evolved that we pass on the obvious, gratuitous gay jokes?

Sorry. I'm not that mature.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:43 am

How gauche.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 7:30 am

rass wrote:
howard wrote:I didn't know until today that Jim Webb is running for president. I bet you didn't know either. He is the first one I would consider considering voting for.

Give one of those pieces to Lincoln Chaffee.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:15 am

Johnnie wrote:
rass wrote:
howard wrote:I didn't know until today that Jim Webb is running for president. I bet you didn't know either. He is the first one I would consider considering voting for.

Give one of those pieces to Lincoln Chaffee.

Are you sure he'll know what to do with it? What if he just walked in the room? His dad just passed and you expect him to know what to do with a piece of toast? He just got there.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:31 am

Say what you want about Hillary, but can you imagine any of the current Republican candidates sitting there and making coherent statements for over 10 hours in the public spotlight like she did yesterday?

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:39 am

DaveInSeattle wrote:Say what you want about Hillary, but can you imagine any of the current Republican candidates sitting there and making coherent statements for over 10 hours in the public spotlight like she did yesterday?

Let's start with 10 minutes.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:01 am

DaveInSeattle wrote:Say what you want about Hillary, but can you imagine any of the current Republican candidates sitting there and making coherent statements for over 10 hours in the public spotlight like she did yesterday?

Had the same thought. She was poised as fuck, and fought back. I imagine Gowdy's idiocy bragging about the commission being a political takedown attempt bolstered her. Elijah Cummings fucking kicked ass. His "questions" to Clinton were long rants against the Republicans and the hearings themselves. Gowdy looked really creepy, almost like PeeWee Herman with a poor attempt at a fauxhawk. Fauxhawk is accepted as a word in spellcheck! For the first time, the thought of Hillary as President didn't bother me. I still don't trust her and think she is a corporate shill, but she kicked ass. I'm embarrassed for all the times I made fun of her claim of a "vast Right Wing Conspiracy" trying to take her and Bill down. I was a young, naive kid.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:35 am

Goody looks like movie Draco Malfoy.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:40 am

Confession: A week ago, I would have guessed SEC coach for Trey Gowdy.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:41 am

tennbengal wrote:Goody looks like movie Draco Malfoy.

Yeah, saw this posted somewhere yesterday:

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:07 am

Hadn't seen that - but it's not hard to see how that has crossed more minds than mine.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:15 pm

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:22 pm

When the government threatens to mess with medicare, well, we're gonna need a lot more toast.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:41 pm

howard wrote:When the government threatens to mess with medicare, well, we're gonna need a lot more toast.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:57 pm

Trey Gowdy looks like a fucking twink.

And I have nothing against twinks. I just feel bad that for them because he looks like one. Like an even gayer Dan Savage.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:31 pm

I think the difference between Ben Carson and other morons who we've seen run for President is that he doesn't have a party-approved script to follow. Sp what falls out of his mouth is particularly mind-numbing.

Just had a thought. If this is the first leadership race we've seen where people from outside the party are leading the campaign... what, or who, the hell is going to crop up in 4 years?

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:39 pm

Pruitt wrote:... what, or who, the hell is going to crop up in 4 years?

That is the significance of this clown show. Bingo.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:05 am

Meh, it may just be the new model. If they're going to start the presidential campaign a full 12 months before anyone with a life cares about it, then expect weirdos and charlatans to dominate those 12 months.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:06 am

Rex wrote:Meh, it may just be the new model. If they're going to start the presidential campaign a full 12 months before anyone with a life cares about it, then expect weirdos and charlatans to dominate those 12 months.

Exactly. Weren't Bachmann and the Palin dominating the media's time at this? Not that Palin was even running, but she still got a lot of media attention.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:23 am

The Sybian wrote:
Rex wrote:Meh, it may just be the new model. If they're going to start the presidential campaign a full 12 months before anyone with a life cares about it, then expect weirdos and charlatans to dominate those 12 months.
Exactly. Weren't Bachmann and the Palin dominating the media's time at this? Not that Palin was even running, but she still got a lot of media attention.

Neither one of them were leading the polls for as long as Trump has, if at all. I don't think either of them ever received Carson-level numbers either.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:31 am

Giff wrote:
The Sybian wrote:
Rex wrote:Meh, it may just be the new model. If they're going to start the presidential campaign a full 12 months before anyone with a life cares about it, then expect weirdos and charlatans to dominate those 12 months.
Exactly. Weren't Bachmann and the Palin dominating the media's time at this? Not that Palin was even running, but she still got a lot of media attention.
Neither one of them were leading the polls for as long as Trump has, if at all. I don't think either of them ever received Carson-level numbers either.

Correct. People keep drawing a line from now to then, but isn't quite the same. Rubio may/should eventually be the insider annointed guy, but this isn't going as smoothly for the kingmakers this time around.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:35 am

Same week in 2011, Paul and Cain were dominating the straw polls. Paul's campaign had a little more gravitas than anyone else we're talking about here, but same idea--non-viable candidates leading the way.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:41 am

These are not straw polls.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:44 am

Cain was also leading national polls. Gingrich overtook him in November.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:49 am

Carson/Trump/Hucklebee/Cruz polling at a collective 60%. Establishment candidates in the 30s collectively. Was never ever like that in 2011. Establishment candidate aggregate numbers were always higher and when it settled on Romney as the one establishment candidate, he was the guy.

Now? The percentage who seem cool with crazy is over 50% in the polling. Some version of that crazy four is in this for a long time.

ETA: Not sure what box to put Fiorina in - establishment or outsider/crazy. If she is the latter, the collective establishment approved candidate percentages is pretty anemic.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:53 am

So is Jeb! done or what?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:01 am

rass wrote:So is Jeb! done or what?

He sure looks like toast to me.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:45 pm

rass wrote:So is Jeb! done or what?

Sounds like he's not a happy candidate right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... y-anymore/

Bush:

I’ve got a lot of really cool things I could do other than sit around, being miserable, listening to people demonize me and feeling compelled to demonize them. That is a joke. Elect Trump if you want that.

For what it's worth, I kind of like what he said.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:02 pm

Oh go suck a million dicks, Jeb. You don't want to demonize people? For real, suck like 2 million dicks.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:47 am

Bernie Sanders and sports.

How the Dodgers and baseball shaped Bernie Sanders' world view

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:16 pm

If this is anywhere else, whatever.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:31 am

I might feel sort of bad for Jeb! you guys...

ETA: aw, jeez...