Final Jeopardy! Challenge January 2016 (SPOILERS re: L-Jam)

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:07 pm

howard 10-2
Moreta 10-2
Pruitt 9-3
rex 9-3
Shirley 5-7
chedda 4-8

I guessed Dominica. Thought the DR flag was just the pattern. Oh well. Also wondering if there is a second answer to the capitals question, will need to dig around.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:24 pm

Rex wrote:Also wondering if there is a second answer to the capitals question, will need to dig around.

Definitely not. The clue is too specific.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:28 pm

the lawyer in me thinks there is a second correct answer to this question, but there was not a talismanic event in 1957 in the other capital.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:45 pm

Exactly. The only other things that happened in 1957 are Sputnik (and Sputnik 2 w/Laika the dog) and Lennon and McCartney met for the first time.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:23 am

howard 10-2
Moreta 10-2
Pruitt 9-3
GPJ 6-6
Shirley 5-7
chedda 4-8

Got the island - I've actually read that book.

Didn't get the other two. Wavered between the correct capital and not the correct capital. Couldn't make myself go with the correct one.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:52 am

howard 10-2
Moreta 10-2
Pruitt 9-3
Ryan 9-3
GPJ 6-6
Shirley 5-7
chedda 4-8

duff · Post by **duff** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:19 am

howard 10-2
Moreta 10-2
Pruitt 9-3
Ryan 9-3
GPJ 6-6
Shirley 5-7
Duff 5-7
chedda 4-8

No to the island, yes to the state capital.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:23 am

howard 10-2
Moreta 10-2
Pruitt 9-3
Ryan 9-3
AB 9-3
GPJ 6-6
Shirley 5-7
Duff 5-7
chedda 4-8

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:24 am

howard wrote:Exactly. The only other things that happened in 1957 are Sputnik (and Sputnik 2 w/Laika the dog) and Lennon and McCartney met for the first time.

Well there was also Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, and Kerouac. And don't forget Bridge on the River Kwai.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:25 am

Rex wrote:
howard wrote:Exactly. The only other things that happened in 1957 are Sputnik (and Sputnik 2 w/Laika the dog) and Lennon and McCartney met for the first time.
Well there was also Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, and Kerouac. And don't forget Bridge on the River Kwai.

There's a Billy Joel Channel on Sirius now! WHOOO. Not sure if its limited engagement like last time or not.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:57 am

howard wrote:They changed the rule on ties. If there is a tie after final, there is a one-question decider, with buzzers. Whoever buzzes in first, answers and wins or loses. This new rule was established just this year, (after 31 years) and it has worked to discourage ties. There has not yet been a tie and tiebreaker.

But even with the traditional setup, tie for first, come back as co-champions, that is the classic prisoner's dilemma. You are correct, the thing to do is both bet zero, but collusion is not allowed. Even if you did discuss it, or just a wink and nod, you have to trust the other person to not wager. Well, not the classic prisoner's dilemma, since you could break the agreement, wager, then get the answer wrong.

Under the new rule, an overt or tacit agreement, adhered to by both players, would have resulted in a tiebreaker question, and then one of them would've won and advanced to the next game. A 50% chance at a win is better than what happened to them tonight.

I was unaware of the rule change, thanks for the info.

In that case I guess you're right and you do have to wager something. and your choices are $1 and all of it so might as well right and win some money.

I'm not sure if I have my game theory totally correct, but the earlier described situation is not a true prisoners dilemma correct? As I understood it back when I studied it, that would only be true if one player stood to gain from pushing his opponent under the bus. In this case it would have been mutually assured destruction under old rules, so why bother? Taking your opponent out doesn't benefit you. You both win money, you both come back and play again, and assuming you both know those conditions, you'd be a fool to not take the sure money, right?

I also missed again:

howard 10-2
Moreta 10-2
Pruitt 9-3
Ryan 9-3
AB 9-3
GPJ 6-6
BSF 6-6
Shirley 5-7
Duff 5-7
chedda 4-8

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:20 am

Correct, it is not a true prisoners' dilemma. This situation has some, but not all elements in common with the prisoners' dilemma, as you described. Under the old rules, little to no similarity to the dilemma situation.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:27 am

howard wrote:Correct, it is not a true prisoners' dilemma. This situation has some, but not all elements in common with the prisoners' dilemma, as you described. Under the old rules, little to no similarity to the dilemma situation.

Honestly, I find the theory of wagering and managing the game almost as fun as the trivia itself. The game is a lot deeper than knowing stuff in a lot of fields.

Is LJam going to regale us with tales of Jeopardy! lore or not?

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:25 pm

So since the dear leaders gave me my spoiler tag I ought to use it.

[+] if you care: The better part of the MLK National Historic Site in Atlanta was added to the National Register under Carter, whose library is also in Atlanta. There wasn't really an event there in 1957 equivalent to Little Rock, but it so happens that 1957 was the year in which the SCLC was formed in one of the buildings that is part of the historic site. So especially given the day on which the episode aired, I thought the one guy's answer was maybe technically right.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:45 pm

Wow. I am impressed by your research, and tenacity. If not technically correct (and I believe that it is), it is damn close. And, since this is my thread, I'm awarding you the point

[+] spoiler: but, of course, I will rescind the point at month's end if it means me losing

eta: it looks like you got the State Capitals answer correct, despite your suspicion of another correct answer. No one else who guessed

[+] spoiler: Atlanta

gets credit, because it was ruled incorrect on the show when the male defending champ wrote it, and rex was gonna get credit for his research/work.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:08 pm

no, I had the right answer to begin with. was just bored.

My wrong answers were the book questions and Dominica/DR. Will begin my examination of the flag of Dominica shortly.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:30 pm

Rex wrote:Will begin my examination of the flag of Dominica shortly.

There's a

[+] spoiler: bird

if you look real close

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:36 pm

It looks like a very religious

[+] spoiler: bird.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:17 pm

unfortunately, it is a

[+] spoiler: Franciscan bird

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:47 pm

Answer

Do we need this answer feature now that we have the spoiler function? We do have the table listed in this location, and I engage further discussion, but those can be placed elsewhere. Decisions, decisions.

Monday January 18, 2016
Category: STATE CAPITALS
Clue: A 1957 EVENT LED TO THE CREATION OF A NATL. HISTORIC SITE IN THIS CITY, SIGNED INTO LAW BY A PRESIDENT WHOSE LIBRARY IS NOW THERE TOO

Answer: Where Little Rock, Arkansas?
The event was the desegregation of Central High School, under the protection of the National Guard, ordered in by President Eisenhower.

Rex proposed Atlanta, Ga, with this explanation:

The better part of the MLK National Historic Site in Atlanta was added to the National Register under Carter, whose library is also in Atlanta. There wasn't really an event there in 1957 equivalent to Little Rock, but it so happens that 1957 was the year in which the SCLC was formed in one of the buildings that is part of the historic site. So especially given the day on which the episode aired, I thought the one guy's answer was maybe technically right.

But, one of the contestants answered Atlanta, and was ruled wrong. So we will go with that ruling.

Discussion of this point is ongoing at the JBoard beginning here: http://jboard.tv/viewtopic.php?p=201122#p201122" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Table
howard 10-2
Moreta 10-2
Rex 9-3
Pruitt 9-3
Ryan 9-3
AB 9-3
GPJ 6-6
BSF 6-6
Shirley 5-7
Duff 5-7
chedda 4-8
_______
Ljam 7-2
Syb 6-3

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:48 pm

Monday January 18, 2016

Category: U.S. STATES

Clue: IN 1721 EXPLORER CHARLEVOIX CALLED A POINT AT THE BORDER OF THESE 2 STATES "THE FINEST CONFLUENCE IN THE WORLD"

Answer:

[+] spoiler: What are Missouri and Illinois?
At the confluence of the Mississippi and Missouri rivers

nope

howard 10-3

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:52 pm

howard 10-3
Shirley 6-7

Got one!

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:41 pm

howard 10-3
rex 10-3
Shirley 6-7

WAG'd

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:35 am

howard 10-3
rex 10-3
Shirley 6-7
Chedda 5-8

Missed the states, got the city. The original link didn't have my answer and I thought I got it wrong.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:09 am

No clue.

howard 10-3
rex 10-3
Pruitt 9-4
Shirley 6-7
Chedda 5-8

Moreta · Post by **Moreta** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:45 am

howard 10-3
rex 10-3
Moreta 10-3
Pruitt 9-4
Shirley 6-7
Chedda 5-8

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:18 am

howard 10-3
rex 10-3
Moreta 10-3
Pruitt 9-4
Shirley 6-7
GPJ 6-7
Chedda 5-8

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:47 pm

howard 10-3
rex 10-3
Moreta 10-3
Pruitt 9-4
Shirley 6-7
GPJ 6-7
BSF 6-7
Chedda 5-8

Should have gotten this. I got too hung up on westward expansion and didn't think about the French exploration of the Mississippi.

duff · Post by **duff** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:06 pm

howard 10-3
rex 10-3
Moreta 10-3
Pruitt 9-4
Shirley 6-7
GPJ 6-7
BSF 6-7
Chedda 5-8
Duff 5-8

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:22 pm

howard 10-3
rex 10-3
Moreta 10-3
Pruitt 9-4
Ryan 9-4
Shirley 6-7
GPJ 6-7
BSF 6-7
Chedda 5-8
Duff 5-8

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:33 pm

howard 10-3
rex 10-3
Moreta 10-3
Pruitt 9-4
Ryan 9-4
AB 9-4
Shirley 6-7
GPJ 6-7
BSF 6-7
Chedda 5-8
Duff 5-8

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:02 pm

For some reason, I remember nearly all of the New World explorers that we learned in middle school. I never heard of this Charlevoix dude. With the word 'confluence' in the clue, all I could think of is Three Rivers Stadium the confluence of the Allegheny and Monongahela rivers, but I couldn't remember if that was within five miles of the state line w/Ohio, or fifty miles. (It is actually about 20 miles.) So that was my wrong guess. But, there is a lesson here. Confluence = rivers. Most prominent river in the US - Mississippi. Longest river in the US - Missouri. They have a confluence. In what was New France in 1721. Easy peasy, or should've been.

Table
howard 10-3
rex 10-3
Moreta 10-3
Pruitt 9-4
Ryan 9-4
AB 9-4
Shirley 6-7
GPJ 6-7
BSF 6-7
Chedda 5-8
Duff 5-8
_______
Ljam 7-2
Syb 6-3

Wednesday January 20, 2016

Category: WORLD RELIGION

Clue: FROM A WORD MEANING "TRADITION", THIS BRANCH HAS OVER A BILLION FOLLOWERS, MANY IN THE MIDDLE EAST

Answer:

[+] spoiler: What is Sunni Islam? Sunni is sufficient.

yep

howard 11-3

Moreta · Post by **Moreta** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:08 pm

howard 11-3
Moreta 11-3

I just had a cultural diversity class at work that went into this in detail.

Post by **Shirley** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:22 pm

howard 11-3
Moreta 11-3
Shirley 6-8

Coin toss. I lost.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:18 pm

howard 11-3
Moreta 11-3
Pruitt 10-4
Shirley 6-8

Guessed right.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:00 am

howard 11-3
Moreta 11-3
Pruitt 10-4
BSF 7-7
Shirley 6-8

Back to even

duff · Post by **duff** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:27 am

howard 11-3
Moreta 11-3
Pruitt 10-4
BSF 7-7
Shirley 6-8
Duff 5-9

The coin did not flip. I demand a redo.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:35 am

howard 11-3
Moreta 11-3
Pruitt 10-4
rex 10-4
BSF 7-7
Shirley 6-8
Duff 5-9

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:39 am

howard 11-3
Moreta 11-3
Pruitt 10-4
rex 10-4
Ryan 10-4
BSF 7-7
Shirley 6-8
Duff 5-9

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:48 am

Guessed wrong on the coin flip, unlike the morons on TV who guessed wrong like people who can't read.

howard 11-3
Moreta 11-3
Pruitt 10-4
rex 10-4
Ryan 10-4
BSF 7-7
Shirley 6-8
GPJ 6-8
Duff 5-9