2016 Presidential Race

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:12 pm

Interestingly, this focus group of one, resident of a Super Tuesday state, has seen ~20 campaign ads in the last week, mostly during college basketball games. All but two were Cruz ads attacking Rubio. One of the others was a Bernie ad on BTN, the other was a Rubio ad attacking Trump and Cruz that looked hastily put together. (The Cruz ads were quite well done, by the way.) I mean, this is in the last week. That's one of the stories I will tell my Canadian grandchildren.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:49 pm

The bed's been made, now these weasels are going to have to lie in it.

From the cheap seats, this is as entertaining as politics gets.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:54 pm

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:27 pm

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:08 pm

At Trump's victory party tonight...

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:40 pm

Can a Governor be recalled based solely on the fact that he should have been listed on the ballot as Bitch Boy?

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:42 pm

He looks really uncomfortable standing behind Trump.

cerrano · Post by **cerrano** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:51 pm

he looks utterly confused.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:54 pm

Ryan wrote:Can a Governor be recalled based solely on the fact that he should have been listed on the ballot as Bitch Boy?

Only in New Jersey. There is a specific 'bitch boy' clause in the state constitution.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:55 pm

the stares and facial expressions are priceless

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:09 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:the stares and facial expressions are priceless

When a man sells his pride, there's not much left.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:13 pm

He talked for so long I actually found multiple points I agreed with. He's a volume shooter and that was a Nate Robinson master class

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:49 pm

Rubio's explanation of why Congressmen endorsing him can't name one thing he has done to warrant an endorsement isn't helping.

Post by **brian** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:09 am

I think the scary thing is how well Cruz did. If he wasn't universally hated within the GOP, I could see them building a coalition around him. As it is, some of the guys who might be compelled to drop out like Kasich and Carson might stay in just to screw Cruz.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:23 am

brian wrote:I think the scary thing is how well Cruz did. If he wasn't universally hated within the GOP, I could see them building a coalition around him. As it is, some of the guys who might be compelled to drop out like Kasich and Carson might stay in just to screw Cruz.

So the people who run the party hate both of the frontrunners for the nomination.

Never seen anything like it.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:41 am

The Sybian wrote:Rubio's explanation of why Congressmen endorsing him can't name one thing he has done to warrant an endorsement isn't helping.

Rubio: People have been spontaneously endorsing me, and my campaign hasn't had a chance to get them the proper talking points before they talk to the media... /paraphrased

Wallace: Well, don't you think you should start doing that? /smugshiteatinggrin

Rubio: DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! /internalized

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:42 am

brian wrote:I think the scary thing is how well Cruz did. If he wasn't universally hated within the GOP, I could see them building a coalition around him. As it is, some of the guys who might be compelled to drop out like Kasich and Carson might stay in just to screw Cruz.

Don't think he did well. Won his own state, tx lite next door, and Alaska. He totally failed at the real southern prizes from Super Tuesday and those were the main part of his strategy. And trump got plenty of delegates out of Texas to boot.

Good news for me on the watch them burn team is both Rubio and Cruz will push on, as will kasich, and the splintering of those fucks and their morally bankrupt party gets worse. Can't fucking wait.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:49 am

howard wrote:
Ryan wrote:Can a Governor be recalled based solely on the fact that he should have been listed on the ballot as Bitch Boy?
Only in New Jersey. There is a specific 'bitch boy' clause in the state constitution.

I'm so sorry I missed that, and not just because I switched to the Pens game and they lost.

Gawker aggregated (as they will do) some pretty great reactions. Holy shit, I laughed.

ETA: one more

Oh man. I guess I am glad I missed this, or I never would have gone to sleep last night...

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:10 am

At this point I am that scene in Seinfeld when Elaine kept losing her bet with Jerry because she kept going back to putty and Jerry just laughs and laughs as she pays off the bet each time.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:52 am

tennbengal wrote:Don't think he did well. Won his own state, tx lite next door, and Alaska.

Wait, so Palin's endorsement wasn't even enough to get Trump Alaska?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:57 am

Jerloma wrote:
tennbengal wrote:Don't think he did well. Won his own state, tx lite next door, and Alaska.
Wait, so Palin's endorsement wasn't even enough to get Trump Alaska?

It indeed was not.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:12 am

It amazes me that Cruz won 0 of Georgia's 159 counties. About 150 of them were tailor made for Cruz if you don't account for the existence of Trump. Some of these counties have like 500 voters--I could win them just by walking around with a confederate flag. And he seems to be a good campaigner, and he poured a lot of money into ads.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:20 am

govmentchedda wrote:He looks really uncomfortable standing behind Trump.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:49 am

rass wrote:
The Sybian wrote:Rubio's explanation of why Congressmen endorsing him can't name one thing he has done to warrant an endorsement isn't helping.
Rubio: People have been spontaneously endorsing me, and my campaign hasn't had a chance to get them the proper talking points before they talk to the media... /paraphrased

Wallace: Well, don't you think you should start doing that? /smugshiteatinggrin

Rubio: DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! /internalized

Wish I could see your pictures, but stupid work server blocks photobucket.

Rubio's followup to Wallace was great, "we did, but you can't make people read." So they didn't have time to prepare written statements telling supporters what to say, but 30 seconds later, they did send the statements, but his supporters support him so strongly, they can't bother to read a statement before appearing on national news programs? Rubio himself can't state one thing he has done showing he is ready to be President.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:52 am

brian wrote:I think the scary thing is how well Cruz did. If he wasn't universally hated within the GOP, I could see them building a coalition around him. As it is, some of the guys who might be compelled to drop out like Kasich and Carson might stay in just to screw Cruz.

If you were a Republican and hate/fear Trump, who are you going to vote for? Cruz is the only possible candidate to defeat Trump at this point. I think the only thing keeping Cruz from putting Trump down at this point is all of the other candidates splitting the "anyone but Trump votes."

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:54 am

Why is Carson still in this?

I understand Kasich can win a couple of states and Rubio is putting all his chips into the winner-take-all 99 delegate of Florida.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:55 am

degenerasian wrote:Why is Carson still in this?

$$$$

Post by **brian** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:57 am

The Sybian wrote:
brian wrote:I think the scary thing is how well Cruz did. If he wasn't universally hated within the GOP, I could see them building a coalition around him. As it is, some of the guys who might be compelled to drop out like Kasich and Carson might stay in just to screw Cruz.
If you were a Republican and hate/fear Trump, who are you going to vote for? Cruz is the only possible candidate to defeat Trump at this point. I think the only thing keeping Cruz from putting Trump down at this point is all of the other candidates splitting the "anyone but Trump votes."

That's what I mean. Their own damn party can't agree behind who to coalesce because they freaking hate Cruz. They tried to get the rank and file behind Rubio, but they (rightly) see him as a stuffed shirt and/or Romneybot 2.0. The GOP's demonizing of "government" and "Washington" is paying off big time for Trump.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:06 am

rass wrote:
degenerasian wrote:Why is Carson still in this?
$$$$

Yep, probably hoping for a job with Fox. Same reason Huckabee, Palin, Santorum and others run. Pretty funny how many former presidential candidates get gigs on Fox. Or in Huckabee's case, get a show, give up the show to run for office, then probably get another show or paid regular appearances. I can't see Carson getting a show, unless the hope is he puts people to sleep and they leave the channel on while sleeping.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:22 am

Huckabee and Santorum actually won states and led at some point with a path to the nomination. Just got swept by McCain and Romney respectively in the winner-take all states. So they have some credibility for tv.

Carson has nothing to offer on tv. Not in politics, no chance of winning, can't even poll 10% in any state. He's got 8 delegates so far.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:25 am

degenerasian wrote:Huckabee and Santorum actually won states and led at some point with a path to the nomination. Just got swept by McCain and Romney respectively in the winner-take all states. So they have some credibility for tv.

Carson has nothing to offer on tv. Not in politics, no chance of winning, can't even poll 10% in any state. He's got 8 delegates so far.

Rass' post is right.

Another link

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:29 am

Brontoburglar wrote:
degenerasian wrote:Huckabee and Santorum actually won states and led at some point with a path to the nomination. Just got swept by McCain and Romney respectively in the winner-take all states. So they have some credibility for tv.

Carson has nothing to offer on tv. Not in politics, no chance of winning, can't even poll 10% in any state. He's got 8 delegates so far.
Rass' post is right.

Another link

Yeah, that was the sweet sweet $$$$ I was referencing.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:02 pm

I find it interesting that for all of the record GOP turnout, HRC has gotten more votes than Trump in most of the open primary states, where presumably most people are walking in the door and voting for the person they would most want to see as president. (I'm assuming that most strategic voting cancels out in the end.) Like way more votes--a total of 500,000 if you add up the 11 open primary states that have voted. And she's the one with charismatic and well-organized opposition.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:25 pm

Well ... its still just HRC and Sanders splitting while Trump has like 5 other guys getting some votes.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:35 pm

I guess I'm a little confused over what people wanted Chris Christie to look like.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:36 pm

degenerasian wrote:Huckabee and Santorum actually won states and led at some point with a path to the nomination. Just got swept by McCain and Romney respectively in the winner-take all states. So they have some credibility for tv.

Carson has nothing to offer on tv. Not in politics, no chance of winning, can't even poll 10% in any state. He's got 8 delegates so far.

Agreed. His $$ will be in books and speeches, IMO.

Post by **brian** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:39 pm

mister d wrote:Well ... its still just HRC and Sanders splitting while Trump has like 5 other guys getting some votes.

That's true, but it's still a little disheartening to see the lengths Bernie supporters are going to shit on Hillary. I had to unfollow a couple of former Swampers on Twitter because literally every other post was crazy, insane shit from infowars or breitbart on Hillary eating babies and shit. It's insane.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:52 pm

mister d wrote:Well ... its still just HRC and Sanders splitting while Trump has like 5 other guys getting some votes.

But that's accounted for somewhat in the much higher turnout on the GOP side. Just looking at the open primary states from last night, I estimate about 2.5-3M more votes on the GOP side. That said, I don't think this data point says all that much, but I do think it sets the floor, since you have to assume the vast majority of people in those states decided to vote for the person they most wanted to be president, rather than to cast a strategic vote. I accept that assumption even though I was a strategic voter.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:17 pm

Listened to Herman Cain for about 5 minutes a day or two ago. So id say that Ben Carson has all the credentials one needs to blather endlessly on conservative radio.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:58 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:
degenerasian wrote:Huckabee and Santorum actually won states and led at some point with a path to the nomination. Just got swept by McCain and Romney respectively in the winner-take all states. So they have some credibility for tv.

Carson has nothing to offer on tv. Not in politics, no chance of winning, can't even poll 10% in any state. He's got 8 delegates so far.
Rass' post is right.

Another link

Very interesting. I have no problem believing Carson was completely clueless. I heard his comment about the mishandling of his campaign funds, and thought it was a really bizarre statement. He basically said his team was either incompetent or embezzling, and I don't think he realized what he implied.