2016 Presidential Race

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:17 pm

Carson is now suspending his campaign and won't take part in the debate tomorrow night.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:21 pm

good job guys, you convinced him to quit

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:28 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:Carson is now suspending his campaign and won't take part in the debate tomorrow night.

"Guys, I was sitting right next you and yelled it really loud"
"Yeah, nope, didn't catch it"

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:09 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:Carson is now suspending his campaign and won't take part in the debate tomorrow night.

Are they sure he isn't skipping the debate to go home to get a change of clothes? Again?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:11 pm

I cannot believe they are going to a debate stage again. What could possibly be left to vomit on each other at this point?

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:17 pm

Rubio: "(Finishes last chapter of "Still Around the House: 50 Brand New Yo Mamma Jokes") SCHEDULE IT."

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:25 pm

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:28 pm

Ryan wrote:Rubio: "(Finishes last chapter of "Still Around the House: 50 Brand New Yo Mamma Jokes") SCHEDULE IT."

"Penis! Am I doing this right?"

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:40 pm

So how many people does that make who God told to run for POTUS that have dropped out now?

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:05 pm

Prayerfully reconsider making jokes like that, Jerlomes.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:09 pm

brian wrote:
mister d wrote:Well ... its still just HRC and Sanders splitting while Trump has like 5 other guys getting some votes.
That's true, but it's still a little disheartening to see the lengths Bernie supporters are going to shit on Hillary. I had to unfollow a couple of former Swampers on Twitter because literally every other post was crazy, insane shit from infowars or breitbart on Hillary eating babies and shit. It's insane.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/03/us/po ... abc-region" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

lol

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:11 pm

Sanders Campaign Headquarters Smashed Up By Gang Of Pinkerton Union Busters

BURLINGTON, VT―Wielding billy clubs as they kicked down the door and began smashing everything in sight, a team of union-busting officers from Pinkerton’s National Detective Agency reportedly tore apart the headquarters of Vermont senator Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign Wednesday. “Your little operation here has been causing problems for some of our clients, so I’m afraid we have no choice but to shut you down,” one of the Pinkertons said through his brushy, waxed mustache as he grabbed senior campaign advisor Tad Devine by the lapels, shoved him against the wall, and ripped a “Bernie 2016” button from his shirt before crushing it beneath his boot heel. “This presidential bid stops right here, see? Or next time it won’t just be a few filing cabinets and boxes of stickers that get a working-over from the boys here, if you hear what I’m saying.” Sources said the hired goons then filed toward the exit, upending a table stacked with “Feel The Bern” coffee mugs on their way out.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:56 pm

Taking a break from the Republican stooges for a moment, here is the late Christopher Hitchens on Hillary Clinton:

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:11 pm

Speaking of Todd Purdum, what the hell happened to him? He was one of the last good journalist at the NYTimes way back when. Wiki sez he's an editor at Vanity Fair, but I haven't read anything from him in years (then again, I lost interest in all this junk.)

I miss Hitch, even though he was a tremendous asshole.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:15 pm

Why can't we just have Hillary run as the GOP nominee, Bernie as the Dem, and have a real choice between two candidates that accurately represent a huge number of American voters.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:45 pm

I think you're going to get that. I think the Trump pivot to pick up Bernie Bros is on the way. He's well positioned to make income inequality the theme of the general election. Pretty soon you'll hear a lot less about undocumented immigrants and a lot more about free college and student loan forgiveness.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:43 am

Still trying to understand the logic from the Republican kingmakers that having Romney go on the attack against Trump does anything to cut into Trump's support. Do Trump's voters give a shit about what Mitt Romney thinks?

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:46 am

John Daly just endorsed Trump. I legit think that has more pull.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:11 am

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:32 am

Seems like the guy they should be getting on board with their plan is Ryan (the House Speaker, not our own Ryan, though he would be a compelling choice too). Anyone else and it's just spinning wheels.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:16 am

Rex wrote:I think you're going to get that. I think the Trump pivot to pick up Bernie Bros is on the way. He's well positioned to make income inequality the theme of the general election. Pretty soon you'll hear a lot less about undocumented immigrants and a lot more about free college and student loan forgiveness.

Since I don't follow this much more than this lovely website, can you expound on this? I'm just having a disconnect on a man of Trump's wealth and background being able to score points with "income inequality".

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:22 am

One of Trump's talking points has been how China is killing us on trade. I don't think it's a far stretch to equate being killed on trade (or fixing that issue) with fixing the middle class (more factory working jobs), which dovetails with Bernie's anti-big business, Wall Street positions.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:25 am

DSafetyGuy wrote:
Rex wrote:I think you're going to get that. I think the Trump pivot to pick up Bernie Bros is on the way. He's well positioned to make income inequality the theme of the general election. Pretty soon you'll hear a lot less about undocumented immigrants and a lot more about free college and student loan forgiveness.
Since I don't follow this much more than this lovely website, can you expound on this? I'm just having a disconnect on a man of Trump's wealth and background being able to score points with "income inequality".

DSafe - check the Tiabbi thread and the article from Tiabbi there. Does a great job at explaining this phenomena.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:33 am

He's a salesman. If he thought that killer giraffes were the issue that would resonate with voters most, he would make exterminating killer giraffes the theme of the campaign.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:38 am

We need a taller wall!

Post by **brian** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:41 am

Rex wrote:He's a salesman. If he thought that killer giraffes were the issue that would resonate with voters most, he would make exterminating killer giraffes the theme of the campaign.

Not just killer giraffes though -- ALL giraffes. Because we'll show those fuckin' giraffes who's the boss.

Keg · Post by **Keg** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:44 am

tennbengal wrote:Still trying to understand the logic from the Republican kingmakers that having Romney go on the attack against Trump does anything to cut into Trump's support. Do Trump's voters give a shit about what Mitt Romney thinks?

Utah and Idaho have yet to vote (might also be able to add Michigan but I don't know how much sway Mitt has there).

GOP needs Cruz or Rubio to win 8 states in order to be able to win the nomination in a brokered convention.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:51 am

China's currency manipulation is a big issue. They keep their currency artificially low to attract imports to Americans and as a result American businesses setting up shop to sell to Americans. Money going out. Copyright is also a big issue, China fucking steals everything. Would President Trump attack China on these issues at the table?

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:58 am

Trump is not a salesman. He is a con man. An excellent con man.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:04 am

I forgot to add this to the list of Trump campaign promises in the general--he'll end the War on Drugs. He could easily pick up and run with Bernie's positions on pot and heroin--the white people drugs--and propose some pretty compelling and sensible reforms that would make a difference. As usual, his prior statements on the subject are all over the map, and he has no track record to defend, so he's free to go big on this one.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:19 am

howard wrote:Trump is not a salesman. He is a con man. An excellent con man.

Of course he is, but that doesn't distinguish him in a presidential race. The fact that he comes from a sales background, not a legal one, does.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:00 pm

Keg wrote: GOP needs Cruz or Rubio to win 8 states in order to be able to win the nomination in a brokered convention.

I don't think that's quite right...I think that they need to win delegates from 8 states...not win 8 states outright.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:01 pm

Mitt Romney, huh? That's what passes for a GOP "Elder Statesman" these days?

Keg · Post by **Keg** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:10 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote:
Keg wrote: GOP needs Cruz or Rubio to win 8 states in order to be able to win the nomination in a brokered convention.
I don't think that's quite right...I think that they need to win delegates from 8 states...not win 8 states outright.

A quick search says they must have the majority of delegates from 8 states.

There is a pdf link to the GOP convention rules in this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/ ... ald-trump/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **brian** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:15 pm

I think there's a mathematical reality there though and a political reality. If Trump doesn't have enough delegates, but is still close to the threshold and Cruz and Rubio have split enough for a majority, there's no way they can just "combine" all of those delegates together to nominate one or the other. There would be a riot.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:16 pm

Keg wrote:
DaveInSeattle wrote:
Keg wrote: GOP needs Cruz or Rubio to win 8 states in order to be able to win the nomination in a brokered convention.
I don't think that's quite right...I think that they need to win delegates from 8 states...not win 8 states outright.
A quick search says they must have the majority of delegates from 8 states.

There is a pdf link to the GOP convention rules in this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/ ... ald-trump/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Huh...well, that makes the whole "Brokered Convention/White Knight to replace Trump" fantasy quite a bit tougher to pull off.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:26 pm

howard wrote:Trump is not a salesman. He is a con man. An excellent con man.

I figure you were going here with this, but that makes him an excellent politician.

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:40 pm

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:42 pm

Chris Christie 1:00 press conference should be really good. Bet he has a lot of really important and influential things to say about stuff.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:48 pm

Rex wrote:I forgot to add this to the list of Trump campaign promises in the general--he'll end the War on Drugs. He could easily pick up and run with Bernie's positions on pot and heroin--the white people drugs--and propose some pretty compelling and sensible reforms that would make a difference. As usual, his prior statements on the subject are all over the map, and he has no track record to defend, so he's free to go big on this one.

That's the Mark Kozelek platform.