Johnnie wrote:
And I find it quite bi-polar that Obama can be the most droningest president in history yet be so afraid of political correctness that his administration can let shit like this happen. Especially in a time when the NSA runs roughshod on our right to privacy.
What can Obama do? Seriously....anything resembling changes to gun laws are immediately blocked in Congress. Even something as simple as making sure people on terrorist watch lists can't buy guns was blocked by Senate Republicans.
Look at Obama's face today. This is the 15th (!!!!!) time he's had to make a statement like this. Do you not think that if there was something/anything he could do he wouldn't have done it already?
Sorry, but if 20+ little kids getting mowed down the week before Christmas didn't change anything, then 50+ people getting killed in a gay bar won't do a lick either. We will get the same "Thoughts and Prayers" and then nothing will change.
What can be done in a country where there are more guns than people?
The message that guns are somehow an important part of American identity has become so widespread that the current situation will never change. This is the new normal.
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Johnnie wrote:
And I find it quite bi-polar that Obama can be the most droningest president in history yet be so afraid of political correctness that his administration can let shit like this happen. Especially in a time when the NSA runs roughshod on our right to privacy.
What can Obama do? Seriously....anything resembling changes to gun laws are immediately blocked in Congress. Even something as simple as making sure people on terrorist watch lists can't buy guns was blocked by Senate Republicans.
Look at Obama's face today. This is the 15th (!!!!!) time he's had to make a statement like this. Do you not think that if there was something/anything he could do he wouldn't have done it already?
Sorry, but if 20+ little kids getting mowed down the week before Christmas didn't change anything, then 50+ people getting killed in a gay bar won't do a lick either. We will get the same "Thoughts and Prayers" and then nothing will change.
What can be done in a country where there are more guns than people?
The message that guns are somehow an important part of American identity has become so widespread that the current situation will never change. This is the new normal.
The NRA has this country over a barrel in regards to its influence it holds over politicians they've bought and paid for. The simple fact that you can be on a terrorism watch list and still buy whatever high powered rifle you want speaks well to the current situation, and YES the President needs to use stronger rhetoric when renouncing Islamic terororism.
Johnnie wrote:
And I find it quite bi-polar that Obama can be the most droningest president in history yet be so afraid of political correctness that his administration can let shit like this happen. Especially in a time when the NSA runs roughshod on our right to privacy.
What can Obama do? Seriously....anything resembling changes to gun laws are immediately blocked in Congress. Even something as simple as making sure people on terrorist watch lists can't buy guns was blocked by Senate Republicans.
Look at Obama's face today. This is the 15th (!!!!!) time he's had to make a statement like this. Do you not think that if there was something/anything he could do he wouldn't have done it already?
Sorry, but if 20+ little kids getting mowed down the week before Christmas didn't change anything, then 50+ people getting killed in a gay bar won't do a lick either. We will get the same "Thoughts and Prayers" and then nothing will change.
What can be done in a country where there are more guns than people?
The message that guns are somehow an important part of American identity has become so widespread that the current situation will never change. This is the new normal.
The NRA has this country over a barrel in regards to its influence it holds over politicians they've bought and paid for. . . .
Unfortunately, I think our country's pathos with guns goes deeper than this. If it were just about money, Michael Bloomberg (or some other mega rich gun control advocate) could easily outbid the NRA. But we've also gotten to the point where "Obama's coming for our guns" has become a pervasive view on the right and Republicans also hold the Second Amendment in much higher regard than any other constitutional provision. On the latter point, the Senate GOP's rejection of the proposal to ban gun sales to individuals on terrorism watchlists demonstrates this so well. The GOP loves to posture like tough guys when it comes to terrorism, and has no problem restricting First Amendment, Fourth Amendment or Fifth Amendment rights in the name of counterterrorism. But any attempt to read "well regulated' back into the Second Amendment is a bridge too far!
The only thing that stops this is either republican congressmen becoming the new chosen target or someone sneezing too loud at an NRA convention and the thousands of John Waynes all shooting each other out of existence.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
Hey, I'm going to buy some coffee for all the militiamen who were protecting the Army recruiting centers, because they're probably very tired from guarding all our LGBT clubs all weekend. Anyone want to come along?
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mister d wrote:The only thing that stops this is either republican congressmen becoming the new chosen target or someone sneezing too loud at an NRA convention and the thousands of John Waynes all shooting each other out of existence.
If there was a mass attack on NRA headquarters by people firing AR-15 style rifles, would that count as irony?
You guys may not know that Norm McDonalds brother is a senior correspondant for CBC. I think his article nails it. We create the world we live in by the actions we take everyday.
degenerasian wrote:You guys may not know that Norm McDonalds brother is a senior correspondant for CBC. I think his article nails it. We create the world we live in by the actions we take everyday.
Johnnie wrote:Why is it all unsettling to me that all a dude needs to do is say "I support ISIS" and his disgusting tirade immediately becomes a "terrorist" act? He wasn't trained by ISIS. He wasn't part of ISIS. He was a dude that acted on behalf misguided beliefs and decided to add fuel to the fire. Whatever adds to the mass confusion, I guess.
This gets me, too. And because this guy did not actually have a connection to ISIS, what could Obama or anyone do?
The only way to prevent something like this - other than banning the sale of assault weapons, which obviously cannot happen - would be to either make it illegal for Muslims to own weapons, or to put all potential threats under 24-hour surveillance. That would be a far worse impingement on our freedom than banning AR-15s.
I do think a ban on sales of these weapons would have some effect, even though there are millions of guns out there already. I understand that Mateen recently bought his guns and ammo. And I think the San Bernadino killers bought their guns somewhat close to the time of their shootings. So if the guns were harder to get, this might not happen.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Steve of phpBB wrote:
I do think a ban on sales of these weapons would have some effect, even though there are millions of guns out there already. I understand that Mateen recently bought his guns and ammo. And I think the San Bernadino killers bought their guns somewhat close to the time of their shootings. So if the guns were harder to get, this might not happen.
Why not something like a 3 month waiting period for a gun purchase? Along with closing the gun show loopholes.
At the very least...its absolutely insane that someone on a no fly list/terror watch list can purchase an assault weapon.
Not you, Steve, but in general I'm just fucking tired of the "can't put the toothpaste back in the tube" reasoning. What exists now won't disappear, but that's not a reason to keep down the worsening path. You do buybacks to get some out of circulation and you make possessing them off your property illegal, you make producing ammunition or any accessories for them illegal and obviously you make any future sales illegal. You just do a hard cut and you live with the results because the current results aren't working and the future results, status quo, will include plenty of weaponry that doesn't exist today. If someone has one now they can put it up on their wall and jack off to it forever fantasizing about what they'll do if that muslim / black dude / latino / transsexual / whoever dares break into their house, but you have to kill the profit industry itself. We've banned or restricted plenty of dangerous things in this country in the past, all of them with an industry supporting them that would knowingly be killed. I'm sure some really nice people made lead paint or styrofoam or aerosol cans long before the harmful effects were fully known and we were somehow were able to end or severely limit all those. Or, just stay the course that inspired this still best/worst comment on the situation ...
Johnnie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
For all the rhetoric the right pushes for guns via their agenda, the "gun show loophole" and confusing "semi-automatic" with "auto-matic" is what the left pushes.
I have purchased two of my five handguns at gun shows in Arizona. At one I literally watched a friend of a friend, an active duty military member, mind you, be completely turned away at at least two different times because all he had was a California driver's license. He had his military ID, but no orders staying he was stationed in Arizona.
If what you're getting at is "private party sales," fine. I agree with that. I personally went through a process where I got a bill of sale notarized that no longer tied me to the gun I just sold. But like most any gathering at a convention, reputable and lawfully abiding dealers from all over a state/region are set up for a weekend in one area doing what their storefront does on a daily basis.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
mister d wrote:If someone has one now they can put it up on their wall and jack off to it forever fantasizing about what they'll do if that muslim / black dude / latino / transsexual / whoever dares break into their house...
Heh.
mister d wrote:...but you have to kill the profit industry itself.
Lather, rinse, repeat for Big Pharma, Education, Health Care, etc..
Fat chance here in America. We're taught from a very young age to say "Fuck you, that's mine. Fuck everyone else. I look out for number 1."
Case in point: Our highways have 4 lanes. Allah forbid people stay towards the center/left of it so others can merge easily on the right.
So until you can remove that level of entitlement from America, the toothpaste is out of the tube.
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mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
mister d wrote:Not you, Steve, but in general I'm just fucking tired of the "can't put the toothpaste back in the tube" reasoning.
For what it's worth, I am too. I don't subscribe to that reasoning; I was responding to someone else who had said something along those lines.
I am in favor of things like waiting periods on all gun purchases, banning fast-firing weapons, banning certain types of ammunition, background checks, etc.
Quite frankly, the gun control measure that bothers me the most is a ban on people getting guns who are on a terrorist watch list, because there are no due process protections and no way to get yourself off the list. That would be a tool for discrimination based on a combination of your religion, your ethnicity, and your speech. I would much rather see all automatic or semi-automatic weapons banned than see a situation where only white "Christian" people can have them.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
degenerasian wrote:You guys may not know that Norm McDonalds brother is a senior correspondant for CBC. I think his article nails it. We create the world we live in by the actions we take everyday.
People of faith might ask themselves this: even if they've never so much as lifted a hand to a gay person, have they smiled at a homophobic joke? Or overlooked mistreatment? Or nodded during an anti-gay sermon?
And if so, wouldn't this be a good time to speak up?
This is an enormous strawman. Perhaps not so much in other places, but up here in the liberal Northeast, Christians and Muslims are always condemning violent actions done in the name of religion. The problem is that they take the stance that these people are not true Christians and Muslims and have somehow misinterpreted their holy books. That conversation is useless. Once you grant someone the idea that their deity exists and that it's morally virtuous to believe in it and adhere to the commands of these holy books, you don't get to tell them what parts they should accept and reject.
Once someone tells me their actions are divinely-mandated, the conversation is over. Who the fuck am I to pontificate upon the character of a deity that I don't even think exists? All that you can do is try to convince them to emancipate themselves, ground their beliefs in what they can prove empirically or logically, and take control of their own morality.
Even if they are truly evil and are just using religion as a crutch to justify their actions in the secular world, granting them the idea that ancient text is the best way to figure out how we should behave is throwing them the only lifeline they'll ever need.
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. - God
Johnnie wrote:I have purchased two of my five handguns at gun shows in Arizona. At one I literally watched a friend of a friend, an active duty military member, mind you, be completely turned away at at least two different times because all he had was a California driver's license. He had his military ID, but no orders staying he was stationed in Arizona.
Was your friend subsequently gunned down because he did not have a weapon on him? Otherwise, I really don't have too much sympathy for the fact that he ran into a hassle buying more guns.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
mister d wrote:If someone has one now they can put it up on their wall and jack off to it forever fantasizing about what they'll do if that muslim / black dude / latino / transsexual / whoever dares break into their house...
Heh.
mister d wrote:...but you have to kill the profit industry itself.
Lather, rinse, repeat for Big Pharma, Education, Health Care, etc..
Fat chance here in America. We're taught from a very young age to say "Fuck you, that's mine. Fuck everyone else. I look out for number 1."
Case in point: Our highways have 4 lanes. Allah forbid people stay towards the center/left of it so others can merge easily on the right.
So until you can remove that level of entitlement from America, the toothpaste is out of the tube.
Edited for video.
Speaking of 4 lanes, Is that the same with cars America protecting the auto industry. America could have had high speed trains all over the country by now. Ive heard of a LA-Las Vegas planned 200mph train for about 25 years. Never got off the ground.
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
Johnnie wrote:I have purchased two of my five handguns at gun shows in Arizona. At one I literally watched a friend of a friend, an active duty military member, mind you, be completely turned away at at least two different times because all he had was a California driver's license. He had his military ID, but no orders staying he was stationed in Arizona.
Was your friend subsequently gunned down because he did not have a weapon on him? Otherwise, I really don't have too much sympathy for the fact that he ran into a hassle buying more guns.
My point is that the trope that a gun show is the wild, wild west is bullshit. I'm for increased purchase measures. But I'm also for increased education and awareness.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
mister d wrote:I'm sure some really nice people made lead paint or styrofoam or aerosol cans long before the harmful effects were fully known and we were somehow were able to end or severely limit all those.
None of those things make inadequate people feel like they have giant cocks.
Johnnie wrote:For all the rhetoric the right pushes for guns via their agenda, the "gun show loophole" and confusing "semi-automatic" with "auto-matic" is what the left pushes.
Ok, lets get rid of gun shows all together. Works for me.
And there is NO FUCKING REASON why anyone needs a gun like the AR-15. None at all.
mister d wrote:I'm sure some really nice people made lead paint or styrofoam or aerosol cans long before the harmful effects were fully known and we were somehow were able to end or severely limit all those.
None of those things make inadequate people feel like they have giant cocks.
Yeah, I don't remember which thread the t-shirt discussion was in but bumper stickers that say "Does This Gun Make My Cock Look Bigger?" placed over every NRA sticker would be fun.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
Johnnie wrote:Case in point: Our highways have 4 lanes. Allah forbid people stay towards the center/left of it so others can merge easily on the right.
Worth noting that New Mexico has the worst drivers in America.
sancarlos wrote:Worth noting that New Mexico has the worst drivers in America.
Based on my visit to Albuquerque last December, I am inclined to believe this. Pittsburgh has some pretty awful drivers too, but that might because the road system there is insane.
Johnnie wrote:For all the rhetoric the right pushes for guns via their agenda, the "gun show loophole" and confusing "semi-automatic" with "auto-matic" is what the left pushes.
Ok, lets get rid of gun shows all together. Works for me.
And there is NO FUCKING REASON why anyone needs a gun like the AR-15. None at all.
you know im a gun owner, and normally on the further out side of this arguement...but at some point don't we have to get tired of it? you are absolutely right. No reason at all for it. Do i have a couple? sure. Why? mostly because i like how they look and they are fun to shoot..but your right, at some point we gotta give some of this shit up for the good of people not getting mowed down in bars, restaurants, movie theaters, schools, and chicago.
sancarlos wrote:Worth noting that New Mexico has the worst drivers in America.
Based on my visit to Albuquerque last December, I am inclined to believe this. Pittsburgh has some pretty awful drivers too, but that might because the road system there is insane.
The driving test consists of driving around the block, a quarter of which is an alleyway. I understand why the drivers are shit.
sancarlos wrote:Worth noting that New Mexico has the worst drivers in America.
Based on my visit to Albuquerque last December, I am inclined to believe this. Pittsburgh has some pretty awful drivers too, but that might because the road system there is insane.
The driving test consists of driving around the block, a quarter of which is an alleyway. I understand why the drivers are shit.
When I got my license in New Mexico, because I took the stupid Drivers Ed class, I was able to get my license at 15 1/2 and didn't have to take a driving test, just a written one (which was a joke...I think it was only 20 questions).
DaveInSeattle wrote:Ok, lets get rid of gun shows all together. Works for me.
And there is NO FUCKING REASON why anyone needs a gun like the AR-15. None at all.
Considering the ubiquity of gun stores in America, that makes no sense.
And there is a reason to own an AR, at least for me. I deploy with the M4 (shorter barrel length for close quarters contact) and it would behoove me to be proficient before I head out the door.
Contrary to popular belief, I'm not armed armed all the time and I'm not constantly during every week to maintain proficiency.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
Johnnie wrote:And there is a reason to own an AR, at least for me. I deploy with the M4 (shorter barrel length for close quarters contact) and it would behoove me to be proficient before I head out the door.
Aren't you able to practice with weapons at your base?
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Johnnie wrote:
Considering the ubiquity of gun stores in America, that makes no sense.
I'm fine with getting rid of gun stores too.
And there is a reason to own an AR, at least for me. I deploy with the M4 (shorter barrel length for close quarters contact) and it would behoove me to be proficient before I head out the door.
Contrary to popular belief, I'm not armed armed all the time and I'm not constantly during every week to maintain proficiency.
As some general (McChrystal, I think) I've seen quoted says "If you want to shoot an AR-15, join the military".
No. Not at all. It isn't like a shooting range where I can just check out a weapon and put rounds through firearms just because I'm bored. I have to be talked to deploy in order to take training.
And if there's a rod and gun club, like in Germany, I'd have to bring my own ammo (presumably, or pay for their) and use the range's weapons. Also, the rod and gun club over there was a function of the base's outdoor recreation section specifically because I couldn't bring my guns to Europe. Here it's pointless.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
Not really. Automatic weapons are banned and I only deploy with either the m4 or Beretta M9. Special Forces get some cool weapons. Security Forces gets shotguns. And I've seen OSI agents with Sig Sauer 9 mm.
We don't get 1911s anymore, unfortunately.
You'll be fine, Rass. I'm more worried about Giff.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
