2016 NFL Regular Season Thread the First

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:43 pm

A_B wrote:Why is fucking jumping a personal foul?

It's only a foul if they make contact, Collins blocked an XP 2 years ago (I think, maybe last year) by leaping the line and basically taking it off the kickers foot.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:45 pm

sancarlos wrote:
brian wrote:This might sound like a complaint but it's mostly an observation but why do announcers obsess over Patriot assistant coaches? They spent an entire quarter talking about their OL coach. Who fucking cares?
Co-sign

He's arguably one of the best OL coaches in the game, and been with the Pats for 25+ years. He's returning after a 2 year hiatus. They'd do the same if any long time assistant returned from retirement.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:01 am

Rush2112 wrote:
sancarlos wrote:
brian wrote:This might sound like a complaint but it's mostly an observation but why do announcers obsess over Patriot assistant coaches? They spent an entire quarter talking about their OL coach. Who fucking cares?
Co-sign
He's arguably one of the best OL coaches in the game, and been with the Pats for 25+ years. He's returning after a 2 year hiatus. They'd do the same if any long time assistant returned from retirement.

Related - I would submit that Matt Patricia and Joshy McDaniel get more tv face time than any other coordinators in the nfl.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:32 am

Rush2112 wrote:
sancarlos wrote:
brian wrote:This might sound like a complaint but it's mostly an observation but why do announcers obsess over Patriot assistant coaches? They spent an entire quarter talking about their OL coach. Who fucking cares?
Co-sign
He's arguably one of the best OL coaches in the game, and been with the Pats for 25+ years. He's returning after a 2 year hiatus. They'd do the same if any long time assistant returned from retirement.

I could probably draw Matt Patricia. I have no idea what Darrell Bevell looks like.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:36 am

EnochRoot wrote:
Rex wrote:Failing to score against the Giants' defense in the final 2:00 is a pretty poor way to start your career IMO
What's with a $1.3b price tag, you'd think they could close the roof enough so that the Cowboys wouldn't have the sun impede a few of his 4th Q passes to his receivers.

Yeah, maybe tint those windows or something. Or use the other side of the field.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:41 am

More of the damn "he's not oppressed" stuff yesterday. If you say that these guys aren't oppressed personally, and also support Donald Trump, you are a moron.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:31 am

Random thoughts (not that you care edition):

---I know DePodesta has a plan, and I know stock-piling picks a la the Sixers approach is that plan, but, I would imagine it was hard for Browns fans to watch Wentz do that knowing that Cleveland passed on drafting him. Not saying Wentz will be a star in the league, but he sure looks like he belongs, which is a good sign for the Eagles.

---With that passing game in Jax, what an awful call on 4th and 1 with the game on the line. A pass three yards behind the LOS? On a team with Robinson and Julius Thomas? At least throw the ball past the sticks.

---Missed the second halves of the 4:00 games, but if Stafford is going to play like that, Lions might be frisky. (Hot take) - maybe losing Calvin Johnson will free him up to move the ball around more and take a step as a qb - (end hot take)

---Fantasy whine - Eli throws 3 tds and none to Beckham. Fuck Eli.

---I know I picked the Cards as the NFC rep to the Super Bowl, but, fuck, somehow they come up kinda small in big spots. Then again, if they can make a field goal, I am not writing this, so, eh.

---Good thing the Jets backed up the armored trucks full of money for Revis. Worth every penny.

---Rex Ryan is a special kind of incompetent.

---Also, Jamies Wintson. I would rather have him than a LOT of qbs in this league if I were starting a franchise. Including Andrew Luck.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:43 am

Infuriating to watch the Colts play so poorly in the first half, roar back in the second half, and then go into that stupid ass fucking shell defense for 40 seconds to lose the game. Lions hardly moved the ball at all in the second half and the Colts go "eh, better not let them get anything down field on us".

I know it's not exclusive but why does it seem that every coach in the league plays like that? As soon as we left almost a minute up there, I knew the Colts were gonna blow that game. They hardly touched Stafford and couldn't defend the under routes because their linebackers can't cover anyone after 2 seconds. Way to let Jerell Freeman go in the offseason Grigs. Only 17 tackles in Chicago yesterday.

It's going to be a long road for this team. Luck looked great in the second half. Gore looks hungry. Dorsett could be big money. But this team is at least 3 years away.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:02 am

tennbengal wrote:Random thoughts (not that you care edition):

[...]

---Also, Jamies Wintson. I would rather have him than a LOT of qbs in this league if I were starting a franchise. Including Andrew Luck.

As a huge Bucs' fan I hated the pick, largely because of the un-investigation re: rape at FSU. Selfishly too I might add, because I didn't want to envision myself as a fan 'moving past it'.

Fast forward ~2 years and I feel myself moving past it. Fucking social warrior bullshit conscience fuck fuck fuck

Post by **Sabo** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:24 am

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:44 am

tennbengal wrote:
---I know I picked the Cards as the NFC rep to the Super Bowl, but, fuck, somehow they come up kinda small in big spots. Then again, if they can make a field goal, I am not writing this, so, eh.

Think so? I mean, even if they make that FG, they still got handled pretty much all game.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:49 am

Gunpowder wrote:
tennbengal wrote:
---I know I picked the Cards as the NFC rep to the Super Bowl, but, fuck, somehow they come up kinda small in big spots. Then again, if they can make a field goal, I am not writing this, so, eh.

Think so? I mean, even if they make that FG, they still got handled pretty much all game.

yeah, true. But wins cure knee jerk reactions. I thought that was a trash gameplan from Arians. And their inability to pressure NE consistently was surprising to me, at least.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:06 am

If the OL jells and prevents him from getting his ass killed (and it's a big if, because they're REALLY young), then Stafford could have an MVP type season this year. I know I'm a fanboy, but I've seen about every game this team has played for almost four decades and somehow, someway he really made a leap at the end of last year and knock on wood it seems to be continuing this year.

It seems like (even to me) he's been in the league forever, but it's really only his sixth year after those injuries the first two. The biggest difference is that I think Cooter has figured out that Stafford understands defensive alignments and adjustments more than previous OCs gave him credit for. If you watch a Lions game now, the Lions hurry the ball to the LOS and Stafford will change protections and alignments on almost every single play like Peyton Manning used to do (note: I'm not saying he's anywhere near as good as Manning). But I think that's the biggest difference. Even when the Lions were sucking last year, Stafford completed 60+ percent in all 16 games, first QB in NFL history to do that.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:07 am

tennbengal wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
tennbengal wrote:
---I know I picked the Cards as the NFC rep to the Super Bowl, but, fuck, somehow they come up kinda small in big spots. Then again, if they can make a field goal, I am not writing this, so, eh.

Think so? I mean, even if they make that FG, they still got handled pretty much all game.
yeah, true. But wins cure knee jerk reactions. I thought that was a trash gameplan from Arians. And their inability to pressure NE consistently was surprising to me, at least.

But Garoppolo has an amazing release time! Didn't you hear Collinsworth!?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:34 am

bfj wrote:
Tire rod Taylor is really good at evading a pass rusher and overthrowing his receivers.

One of the curses of cheering for a crappy small-market team is that you get to hear "The Wisdom Of Solomon" at least 8-10 times a season.

Willcots was raving about Taylor's athleticism, his ability to scramble to his left and then just before stepping out of bounds, to be able to fire a pass up the sideline.

The fact that it was 10 feet over wide open Sammy Watkins' head was immaterial.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:40 am

sancarlos wrote: Related - I would submit that Matt Patricia and Joshy McDaniel get more tv face time than any other coordinators in the nfl.

They also are also continually in the discussion for HC jobs and the Pats play lots of national/prime time games. If Gase had stayed in Denver I'm sure he'd be seen a lot as well. They seem to show Wade a bit, and he's not a young up and comer.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:20 pm

Rush2112 wrote:
sancarlos wrote: Related - I would submit that Matt Patricia and Joshy McDaniel get more tv face time than any other coordinators in the nfl.
They also are also continually in the discussion for HC jobs and the Pats play lots of national/prime time games. If Gase had stayed in Denver I'm sure he'd be seen a lot as well. They seem to show Wade a bit, and he's not a young up and comer.

Gase was a prominent OC in Denver for a few years, and was a prominent OC in Chicago last year. Raise your hand if you could pick him out of a lineup.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:24 pm

Also, Arizona's DC was a candidate for several coaching jobs last year and I can count on zero fingers the exact amount of times NBC showed him. At least that I saw. I watched the whole game, but got up to grab sodas and shit so I'll admit I could have missed it.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:27 pm

sancarlos wrote: Gase was a prominent OC in Denver for a few years, and was a prominent OC in Chicago last year. Raise your hand if you could pick him out of a lineup.

He looks like a young Putin, and everyone knows that Peyton was the OC, and did Chicago have a national game last year?

In regards to Patricia, there are very few coaches with degrees in aeronautical engineering (gets mentioned 90% of times he's shown) and even less with big ass beards.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:29 pm

brian wrote:Also, Arizona's DC was a candidate for several coaching jobs last year and I can count on zero fingers the exact amount of times NBC showed him. At least that I saw. I watched the whole game, but got up to grab sodas and shit so I'll admit I could have missed it.

It's some grand conspiracy by NBC and the NFL I'm sure.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:43 pm

brian wrote:Also, Arizona's DC was a candidate for several coaching jobs last year and I can count on zero fingers the exact amount of times NBC showed him. At least that I saw. I watched the whole game, but got up to grab sodas and shit so I'll admit I could have missed it.

How long did you shit?

Post by **Sabo** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:37 pm

Well, the RG3 era didn't last long in Cleveland. Browns put him on injured reserve with a fractured bone in his left shoulder. He can return after eight games.

Boy, it's a good thing the Browns didn't trade Josh McCown.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:42 pm

Deshaun Watson should be your mantra for the next 15 games. Can't afford to fuck it up and end up with the third pick this year. Just go 0-16. The Lions and the Browns histories are essentially tied at the hip anyway going back to the 1950s when they were the two best teams by far in the NFL. Might as well go all the way.

Post by **Sabo** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:47 pm

brian wrote:Deshaun Watson should be your mantra for the next 15 games. Can't afford to fuck it up and end up with the third pick this year. Just go 0-16. The Lions and the Browns histories are essentially tied at the hip anyway going back to the 1950s when they were the two best teams by far in the NFL. Might as well go all the way.

I don't think there's any doubt that's been the plan all along. Now we just need the Eagles to go 0-15 the rest of the season, too.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:53 pm

Even for the Browns, that sequence yesterday was amazing. Wentz, who they passed on, debuts against them and looks pretty damn good while Plan B gets his shoulder broken in the same game.

edwzipper · Post by **edwzipper** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:11 pm

WTG Cleveland Browns!!! Now you have Robert Griffin the 3rd string.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:12 pm

Sabo wrote:
brian wrote:Deshaun Watson should be your mantra for the next 15 games. Can't afford to fuck it up and end up with the third pick this year. Just go 0-16. The Lions and the Browns histories are essentially tied at the hip anyway going back to the 1950s when they were the two best teams by far in the NFL. Might as well go all the way.
I don't think there's any doubt that's been the plan all along. Now we just need the Eagles to go 0-15 the rest of the season, too.

Wouldn't it be nice?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:41 pm

tennbengal wrote:Even for the Browns, that sequence yesterday was amazing. Wentz, who they passed on, debuts against them and looks pretty damn good while Plan B gets his shoulder broken in the same game.

Heard a podcast last week that had the power rankings at the bottom as - 30) Eagles, 31) Browns, 32) 49ers.

And the Browns lost by three TDs to them.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:39 pm

brian wrote:Deshaun Watson should be your mantra for the next 15 games. Can't afford to fuck it up and end up with the third pick this year. Just go 0-16. The Lions and the Browns histories are essentially tied at the hip anyway going back to the 1950s when they were the two best teams by far in the NFL. Might as well go all the way.

or DeShone Kizer? He's from Ohio!

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:57 pm

BSF21 wrote:Infuriating to watch the Colts play so poorly in the first half, roar back in the second half, and then go into that stupid ass fucking shell defense for 40 seconds to lose the game. Lions hardly moved the ball at all in the second half and the Colts go "eh, better not let them get anything down field on us".

I know it's not exclusive but why does it seem that every coach in the league plays like that? As soon as we left almost a minute up there, I knew the Colts were gonna blow that game. They hardly touched Stafford and couldn't defend the under routes because their linebackers can't cover anyone after 2 seconds. Way to let Jerell Freeman go in the offseason Grigs. Only 17 tackles in Chicago yesterday.

It's going to be a long road for this team. Luck looked great in the second half. Gore looks hungry. Dorsett could be big money. But this team is at least 3 years away.

By the way, what was the deal with the Colts clock management at the end of the game there before the go-ahead TD? The Lions seemed content to let the Colts run the clock down for some reason and I think Indy called a weird/dumb timeout and then after that review snapped the ball pretty quickly. I think Caldwell (unsurprisingly) botched the clock management on his end by not calling timeouts, but Pagano managed to somehow out-dumb him.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:24 pm

Pruitt wrote:
tennbengal wrote:Even for the Browns, that sequence yesterday was amazing. Wentz, who they passed on, debuts against them and looks pretty damn good while Plan B gets his shoulder broken in the same game.
Heard a podcast last week that had the power rankings at the bottom as - 30) Eagles, 31) Browns, 32) 49ers.

And the Browns lost by three TDs to them.

Of course the 49ers are still bad, and Blaine Gabbert is still their starting QB, but i think they'll outperform that #32 ranking by several spots. Both the o-line and the d-line should be much improved over last season.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:31 pm

sancarlos wrote:
Pruitt wrote:
tennbengal wrote:Even for the Browns, that sequence yesterday was amazing. Wentz, who they passed on, debuts against them and looks pretty damn good while Plan B gets his shoulder broken in the same game.
Heard a podcast last week that had the power rankings at the bottom as - 30) Eagles, 31) Browns, 32) 49ers.

And the Browns lost by three TDs to them.
Of course the 49ers are still bad, and Blaine Gabbert is still their starting QB, but i think they'll outperform that #32 ranking by several spots. Both the o-line and the d-line should be much improved over last season.

And as much as Chip Kelly seems like a self-important blowhard... he is a significant upgrade as well.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:16 pm

brian wrote:
BSF21 wrote:Infuriating to watch the Colts play so poorly in the first half, roar back in the second half, and then go into that stupid ass fucking shell defense for 40 seconds to lose the game. Lions hardly moved the ball at all in the second half and the Colts go "eh, better not let them get anything down field on us".

I know it's not exclusive but why does it seem that every coach in the league plays like that? As soon as we left almost a minute up there, I knew the Colts were gonna blow that game. They hardly touched Stafford and couldn't defend the under routes because their linebackers can't cover anyone after 2 seconds. Way to let Jerell Freeman go in the offseason Grigs. Only 17 tackles in Chicago yesterday.

It's going to be a long road for this team. Luck looked great in the second half. Gore looks hungry. Dorsett could be big money. But this team is at least 3 years away.
By the way, what was the deal with the Colts clock management at the end of the game there before the go-ahead TD? The Lions seemed content to let the Colts run the clock down for some reason and I think Indy called a weird/dumb timeout and then after that review snapped the ball pretty quickly. I think Caldwell (unsurprisingly) botched the clock management on his end by not calling timeouts, but Pagano managed to somehow out-dumb him.

Just a failure all around. I'm already tired of thinking and talking about it. We're gonna lost by 40 next week.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:21 pm

edwzipper wrote:WTG Cleveland Browns!!! Now you have Robert Griffin the 3rd string.

Someone has to note the bad joke drive by from Zip

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:33 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:
edwzipper wrote:WTG Cleveland Browns!!! Now you have Robert Griffin the 3rd string.
Someone has to note the bad joke drive by from Zip

Well we were hoping not.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:15 pm

I can't get mad at AB (or A_B), even when he does dumb things.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:05 pm

sancarlos wrote:
Pruitt wrote:
tennbengal wrote:Even for the Browns, that sequence yesterday was amazing. Wentz, who they passed on, debuts against them and looks pretty damn good while Plan B gets his shoulder broken in the same game.
Heard a podcast last week that had the power rankings at the bottom as - 30) Eagles, 31) Browns, 32) 49ers.

And the Browns lost by three TDs to them.
Of course the 49ers are still bad, and Blaine Gabbert is still their starting QB, but i think they'll outperform that #32 ranking by several spots. Both the o-line and the d-line should be much improved over last season.

Yeah, but if the Rams are decent (which, I'll admit is a big if), then the 49ers' schedule will be quite difficult this year. Usually the worst team only wins 2 or 3 games, and they should be better than that, but 5-11 seems very plausible. Also, even though Gabbert is historically one of the worst starting QBs ever, it's pretty apparent that Baalke will try to push for Kelly to play him over Kaepernick no matter what. Honestly, the best case scenario long term is probably that Gabbert is horrible, per usual, the team has a bad year, and York fires Baalke. Baalke has done a terrible job the last few years.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:26 pm

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:34 am

Kevin Harlan's play by play of the drink dude running on the field. Absofuckinglutely outstanding.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:53 am

Just doing my NFL pickems for Week 2. How can Washington be 3.5 point favorites over the Cowboys. I get the 3 points for being the home team, but there will be lots of cowboy fans in the stands. Is the thought that Dallas can't throw deep?