2016 Presidential Race

GoodKarma · Post by **GoodKarma** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:45 pm

I don't think we can underestimate the support for Trump meaning not that they love Trump but hate Hillary with the fire of 1,000 suns. I think that is getting lost in all the squawking. I'd be curious to see a poll that asked who people would vote for if someone other than Hillary was running.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:55 pm

sancarlos wrote:Man, I hope you are right. I can't even fathom the list of potential disasters that suddenly become more real possibilities with Trump as our President. It is still shocking to me that so many otherwise sensible people don't see this.

It's a fact that 40% of the electorate will vote Republican even if they ran a racist hypocrite with no political experience who could be facing criminal charges and who wears an unconvincing costume of a "man of the people."

And on the other side of the coin, 40% of the electorate will vote for an incredibly tainted candidate whose tenure in her most important political office she held was a dismal failure.

All the noise, all months of electioneering, all the billions of dollars just to nudge the remaining 20%.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:59 pm

Pruitt wrote:All the noise, all months of electioneering, all the billions of dollars just to nudge the remaining 20%.

Democracy! In action!

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:07 pm

Pruitt wrote:
sancarlos wrote:Man, I hope you are right. I can't even fathom the list of potential disasters that suddenly become more real possibilities with Trump as our President. It is still shocking to me that so many otherwise sensible people don't see this.
It's a fact that 40% of the electorate will vote Republican even if they ran a racist hypocrite with no political experience who could be facing criminal charges and who wears an unconvincing costume of a "man of the people."

And on the other side of the coin, 40% of the electorate will vote for an incredibly tainted candidate whose tenure in her most important political office she held was a dismal failure.

All the noise, all months of electioneering, all the billions of dollars just to nudge the remaining 20%.

The remaining 20% in certain states only. That's the craziness of the electoral collage.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:08 pm

Pruitt wrote:
sancarlos wrote:Man, I hope you are right. I can't even fathom the list of potential disasters that suddenly become more real possibilities with Trump as our President. It is still shocking to me that so many otherwise sensible people don't see this.
It's a fact that 40% of the electorate will vote Republican even if they ran a racist hypocrite with no political experience who could be facing criminal charges and who wears an unconvincing costume of a "man of the people."

And on the other side of the coin, 40% of the electorate will vote for an incredibly tainted candidate whose tenure in her most important political office she held was a dismal failure.

All the noise, all months of electioneering, all the billions of dollars just to nudge the remaining 20%.

Curious in what way Hillary's tenure in the State Department or in the Senate was a "dismal failure". I'll hang up and listen.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:09 pm

Johnnie wrote:
Pruitt wrote:All the noise, all months of electioneering, all the billions of dollars just to nudge the remaining 20%.
Democracy! In action!

Elections are a growth industry. Plain and simple.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:10 pm

brian wrote:
Curious in what way Hillary's tenure in the State Department or in the Senate was a "dismal failure". I'll hang up and listen.

Libya. Rest of the region.

(No, nothing to do with Benghazi)

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:16 pm

Pruitt wrote:
brian wrote:
Curious in what way Hillary's tenure in the State Department or in the Senate was a "dismal failure". I'll hang up and listen.
Libya. Rest of the region.

(No, nothing to do with Benghazi)

Not sure how you can hang that around her neck, but OK. Seems kinda like blaming Obama for massive budget deficits in 2009-2012 when that die was cast long before the 2008 election.

ETA: To be clear it's not so much that I disagree with you just that it seems like an insanely high bar expecting her to resolve any kind of situation in the Middle East in the post-Iraq/Afghanistan War era in only four years. That's a situation that is still playing itself out and will continue to for quite some time. Just not making it worse is almost a win.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:02 pm

Looks like College GameDay at Hofstra.

Hillary has won the toss and will receive.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:27 pm

What is Lee Corso gonna put on his head?

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:38 pm

wrt our Title IX discussion:

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:59 pm

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:14 pm

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:15 pm

I was about to ask the same thing, senoro.

I'm so shallow.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:16 pm

He bit on that...

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:19 pm

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:26 pm

She is getting dangerously close to joining him in the gutter.

(I'm rooting for the gutter.)

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:29 pm

Maybe right at the end of that first session, but I think she's doing OK letting him run himself out.

And that crazy comment says I'm wrong.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:31 pm

yep, only the first quarter.

GoodKarma · Post by **GoodKarma** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:34 pm

She's letting him take her off message...I don't think she does well in that scenario.

He's took that from his tax returns to her emails. Nicely played.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:39 pm

I finally figured out which one I hate the most.

I hate the one who is talking the most.

When they talk over each other, I hate them equally, but the one who shuts up first, I hate less.

Whew, glad I worked that out.

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:44 pm

sancarlos wrote:
brian wrote:Heaven forbid DC's daughter ever have an opinion of her own as a woman or anyway upset males. Father of the year, this fuckin' guy. Climb back under your rock.
You can disagree without being an asshole, ya know.

New here?

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:46 pm

Ima gunna say something nice. Hillary has a very difficult task here. However you think she is doing (and I think she is doing OK so far, not great, not bad, imo,) can you imagine how Bubba would make fucking mince meat out of Trump in this setting? He'd reduce Donnie to tears.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:52 pm

You guys are fucking masochists. I have headphones in right now so I don't hear it while my wife watches.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:54 pm

mister d wrote:You guys are fucking masochists. I have headphones in right now so I don't hear it while my wife watches.

Entertaining for me!

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:54 pm

howard wrote:Ima gunna say something nice. Hillary has a very difficult task here. However you think she is doing (and I think she is doing OK so far, not great, not bad, imo,) can you imagine how Bubba would make fucking mince meat out of Trump in this setting? He'd reduce Donnie to tears.

Bubba, Dubya,Obama

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:58 pm

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:59 pm

It is painful.

I watch a lot of CSPAN on the weekends. They have American history and non-fiction books programming. During election years, they show political speeches and events from the past.

Yesterday morning, I flip it on. The first Nixon-Kennedy debate from 1960. In school I studied this event, wrote a big paper about it.

Made me want to cry, contemplating the contrast to what was in store tonight.

eta: sure, degen, all three would make him look silly, in their own way. Dubya eviscerated Gore literally with a glance. I think Bubba is the best at this sort of thing. And Trump is just a different animal from debating a normal politician/person.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:02 pm

If he says "some of my best friends are black", I swear to god I will take a drink.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:03 pm

Its like talking to my 4 year old. There's something to be said for being able to lie without knowing/caring that everyone knows you're lying.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:03 pm

howard wrote:If he says "some of my best friends are black", I swear to god I will take a drink.

OF MUTHAFUCKIN' ICED TEA!!!

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:05 pm

A MF Arnold Palmer!

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:07 pm

PUTIN PUTIN PUTIN PUTIN PUTIN!!!!!!

(Nixon and Kennedy spoke less ill of Chairman Khruschev than what I expect to hear spoken of Putin tonight.)

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:08 pm

howard wrote:It is painful.

I watch a lot of CSPAN on the weekends. They have American history and non-fiction books programming. During election years, they show political speeches and events from the past.

Yesterday morning, I flip it on. The first Nixon-Kennedy debate from 1960. In school I studied this event, wrote a big paper about it.

Made me want to cry, contemplating the contrast to what was in store tonight.

eta: sure, degen, all three would make him look silly, in their own way. Dubya eviscerated Gore literally with a glance. I think Bubba is the best at this sort of thing. And Trump is just a different animal from debating a normal politician/person.

If Mitt Romney had argued that stop and frisk had not been ruled unconstitutional in a debate against Obama it would've immediately sunk his campaign.

Hillary's cheapshots so far are really reaching. He's laying them out there on a tee for her and she's pulling up mounds of turf.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:09 pm

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:09 pm

howard wrote:If he says "some of my best friends are black", I swear to god I will take a drink.

Nah. He went with "I built a county club in Palm Beach, FL."

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:11 pm

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:14 pm

Hillary talking Tech was really weird

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:14 pm

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:21 pm

mister d wrote:You guys are fucking masochists. I have headphones in right now so I don't hear it while my wife watches.

Mine is wearing headphones for the same reason. The silence is nice.