Scared?

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:16 am

Probably a 3, but felt comfortable going up a size

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:24 am

Ryan wrote:Probably a 3, but felt comfortable going up a size

I'm a 7. I know people joke about this all the time, but if I were single (or otherwise more able to pack up and start anew), I would be seriously researching opportunities to move to New Zealand.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:26 am

See I'm not even scared for myself personally. Of course it's a shitty look for the country, and tangibly shitty for tons of good people, but mostly I'm just scared that he and his constituency get to say they won.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:40 am

Wasn't the constitution set up to safeguard the country from tyrants?

This is where my brain stays fairly calm.

But, what kind of villains would be chosen to serve in a Trump Cabinet?

Oh shit...

GoodKarma · Post by **GoodKarma** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:01 am

Not at all scared...as I've said before; the system is bigger than any one person...even if that person is Trump.

If HRC wins...we're stuck with at least four more years of hate/gridlock (worse than the previous eight years). Not looking forward to that, but it's a known quantity.

If Trump wins, it will be an interesting social and political experiment. Trump is an egomanical, narcissistic twit who will have no interest in actually governing. He'll farm that out the crackpot surrogates we've all been dealing with for the past 15 months. They'll attempt to put their policies in place; some will make it, some won't. Those that do will fail...he'll get voted out in 2020 because the uneducated white voters who thought their lives would get better (they won't) will turn on him faster than greased hog sliding down a wet chute. And the conservative movement will never win another election until they figure out how to lighten up on the social/women's issues.

So yeah...I'm pretty hopeful because I believe in the long term effects.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:01 am

Ryan wrote:See I'm not even scared for myself personally. Of course it's a shitty look for the country, and tangibly shitty for tons of good people, but mostly I'm just scared that he and his constituency get to say they won.

Perhaps I'm being too optimistic, but I think I'm with you.

Joe K wrote:
Ryan wrote:Probably a 3, but felt comfortable going up a size
I'm a 7. I know people joke about this all the time, but if I were single (or otherwise more able to pack up and start anew), I would be seriously researching opportunities to move to New Zealand.

Baby, you're so fine I'm gonna let Trump be my president just so I can be with you.

I might try that if everything else goes to shit tomorrow night.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:09 pm

Pruitt wrote: But, what kind of villains would be chosen to serve in a Trump Cabinet?

Funny you should ask...

Among the names being considered, according to conversations with three campaign advisers who requested anonymity to speak freely: Rudy Giuliani for attorney general, Newt Gingrich for secretary of state, retired Lt. Gen Michael Flynn for defense secretary or national security adviser, Trump finance chairman Steve Mnuchin for Treasury secretary, and Republican National Committee finance chair Lew Eisenberg for commerce secretary.

Newt! Sec'y of State!

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:02 pm

Pruitt wrote:Wasn't the constitution set up to safeguard the country from tyrants?

This is where my brain stays fairly calm.

Sure, but if Trump has a majority in both houses of Congress, which would be likely if he was able to get enough Republicans willing to vote for him to the polls. I don't think Trump gives a fuck about anything related to the Supreme Court except as it personally affects him and his business interests. If he is remotely involved in the nomination decisions, he will want extremely pro-business Justices, so Citizens United ain't going anywhere, he will want Justices willing to allow him to carve a chunk out of the First Amendment so he can punish anyone who criticizes him.* Trump has said several time that the first thing he will do as President is make it easier to sue people for negative press. Most likely, Trump's decision makers will push through extreme hard Right Justices, and a Republican Congress would confirm. What often gets overlooked is that the President also appoints Federal District Court Judges and Circuit Court Judges. There are currently 800-900 Federal Judges/Justices, and 102 vacancies due to Republicans blocking Obama from filling these vacancies. Pretty disgusting that 10% of the positions for federal judges are vacant due to partisan bullshit, especially with a grossly overwhelmed judicial system.

TL:DR- If Trump wins, he likely has a Republican controlled House and Senate. Trump will quickly gain control over the Judicial branch. The currently vacant seat gives the Court a Conservative majority, and there could be 4 Justice appointments in the next 4 years. Would anyone be surprised if Trump tries to add a few seats to the Supreme Court? Trump will also get to nominate 100s of Federal judges, and they will be pro-business/anti-individual rights, and probably far Right to appease the Republican majority in Congress.

(Remember when the Right went nuts that Obama would shut down media outlets that criticized him? The pundits, especially O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh, ranted for months that if Obama beat McCain, you'd never be able to listen to them again. They continued saying Obama can't handle criticism for years.)

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:10 pm

The Sybian wrote:
Pruitt wrote:Wasn't the constitution set up to safeguard the country from tyrants?

This is where my brain stays fairly calm.

Sure, but if Trump has a majority in both houses of Congress, which would be likely if he was able to get enough Republicans willing to vote for him to the polls. I don't think Trump gives a fuck about anything related to the Supreme Court except as it personally affects him and his business interests. If he is remotely involved in the nomination decisions, he will want extremely pro-business Justices, so Citizens United ain't going anywhere, he will want Justices willing to allow him to carve a chunk out of the First Amendment so he can punish anyone who criticizes him.* Trump has said several time that the first thing he will do as President is make it easier to sue people for negative press. Most likely, Trump's decision makers will push through extreme hard Right Justices, and a Republican Congress would confirm. What often gets overlooked is that the President also appoints Federal District Court Judges and Circuit Court Judges. There are currently 800-900 Federal Judges/Justices, and 102 vacancies due to Republicans blocking Obama from filling these vacancies. Pretty disgusting that 10% of the positions for federal judges are vacant due to partisan bullshit, especially with a grossly overwhelmed judicial system.

TL:DR- If Trump wins, he likely has a Republican controlled House and Senate. Trump will quickly gain control over the Judicial branch. The currently vacant seat gives the Court a Conservative majority, and there could be 4 Justice appointments in the next 4 years. Would anyone be surprised if Trump tries to add a few seats to the Supreme Court? Trump will also get to nominate 100s of Federal judges, and they will be pro-business/anti-individual rights, and probably far Right to appease the Republican majority in Congress.

(Remember when the Right went nuts that Obama would shut down media outlets that criticized him? The pundits, especially O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh, ranted for months that if Obama beat McCain, you'd never be able to listen to them again. They continued saying Obama can't handle criticism for years.)

That's been kinda true, though, right? Who wants to listen to any of these clowns?

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:19 pm

Scared was March. Moved on to resignation and have been there for a long time now. The damage was done then, now I'm just hopeful for the option that involves the least violence.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:02 pm

Amused.

Just watching the clueless river flow.

Tom 1860 · Post by **Tom 1860** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:20 pm

I think it is pretty crazy that our friends over the pond have the names 'Clinton' and 'Trump' on their voting cards in the first place.

It is like us having Alan Sugar and Boris Johnson as our only candidates over here... After Brexit, I believe anything is possible when it comes to the popular vote, especially if the campaign is negative and full of hate.

For me it is political porn: A toss up over a pair of cunts!

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:03 pm

My daughter is adamant that if Trump wins, she wants us phoning our Canadian relatives to see who'd take us in. I laugh at her, but she means it.

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:05 am

If David Plouffe (sp?) and Jon Favreau ain't scared I ain't neither. (And I got to see the Dems ground game in effect in rural western NC the last two days and it has been a sight to behold.)

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:40 am

I'm still convinced that 80% of DJT supporters are all bark and no action. They're the guys who are contrarian just for the flash. Obviously my view is skewed younger, but even my staunch conservative friends are plastering nevertrump shit all over social media today.

Time will tell, but I'm not worried.

Worried about what happens next? Yes. But not of the results today.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:16 am

Eh, I think I put 4 yesterday. But like Ryan, it's because 3 isn't an option.

I'm lucky enough to be a white male in the military. And I'm personable enough to have friends from all walks. I get the instant prejudgment cred of "ah, he's not a liberal" and play into that.

Ultimately, I dislike the bravado shared in this Instagram messaging group with my buddies with all the anti Hillary memes, but I know these people aren't going to risk jail time to start the next revolution.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:19 am

Ryan wrote:See I'm not even scared for myself personally. Of course it's a shitty look for the country, and tangibly shitty for tons of good people, but mostly I'm just scared that he and his constituency get to say they won.

Kind of like the the time I made it to the Swampcrash championship game?

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:27 am

Rigged

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:13 pm

Scared enough that I decided to swallow my discomfort with talking to strangers and signed up to do calls for the Hillary campaign.

I called 10 numbers in North Carolina and Nevada. Exactly 0 people answered the phone.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:59 pm

My tummy is rumbly

duff · Post by **duff** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:29 pm

I am very scared at this point.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:40 pm

Coming around to acceptance. And everyone who voted for him better, too, and fucking own this.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:42 pm

upgrading to an 8

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:09 pm

Time to put on the Depends.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:24 pm

Evidently, the Canadian Immigration website has crashed.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:32 pm

Full-on beer shits without the beer. '03 ALCS.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:34 pm

rass wrote:Coming around to acceptance. And everyone who voted for him better, too, and fucking own this.

As well as the people who "voted their conscience" and pissed it away on another candidate. That whole mindset helped give us Trump. So yeah. They should sleep tight knowing they helped us to the bad answer.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:38 pm

EnochRoot wrote:
rass wrote:Coming around to acceptance. And everyone who voted for him better, too, and fucking own this.
As well as the people who "voted their conscience" and pissed it away on another candidate. That whole mindset helped give us Trump. So yeah. They should sleep tight knowing they helped us to the bad answer.

You're right. I should have voted Hillary. Me and the other 50k in Kentucky who voted for the third party. Then trump only wins by 20 percent.

Fuck you. Jesus Christ.

MaxWebster · Post by **MaxWebster** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:40 pm

Canada immigration is hard, way harder than you think. than i thought, at least.

seriously, i need a list of countries. we have to be out of here in July and I don't want to go back. my 11yr old is pleading with us to stay. how f'ng sad is that.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:54 pm

A_B wrote:
EnochRoot wrote:
rass wrote:Coming around to acceptance. And everyone who voted for him better, too, and fucking own this.
As well as the people who "voted their conscience" and pissed it away on another candidate. That whole mindset helped give us Trump. So yeah. They should sleep tight knowing they helped us to the bad answer.

You're right. I should have voted Hillary. Me and the other 50k in Kentucky who voted for the third party. Then trump only wins by 20 percent.

Fuck you. Jesus Christ.

At least you're beginning to own it. Remember that moment in the face of America electing a demagogue.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:56 pm

MaxWebster wrote:Canada immigration is hard, way harder than you think. than i thought, at least.

seriously, i need a list of countries. we have to be out of here in July and I don't want to go back. my 11yr old is pleading with us to stay. how f'ng sad is that.

How do you feel about Scandinavia?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:58 pm

Wow. Just wow. I can't even. I haven't wavered in the least from the initial post I made about my vote. But now I'm beginning to own it. Ok then. I guess we do need the orange sarcasm font from the days of old.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:00 am

A_B wrote:Wow. Just wow. I can't even. I haven't wavered in the least from the initial post I made about my vote. But now I'm beginning to own it. Ok then. I guess we do need the orange sarcasm font from the days of old.

Solidarity.

Remember that when he goes after the Press and its constitutional right.

MaxWebster · Post by **MaxWebster** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:01 am

i love that country.

...

honestly i've never felt like this, just an abject fear of the abyss. fine, i've had some wine and am hiding out changing guitar strings at the end of two weeks of barely sleeping so i'm not the most coherent i've been. but sure - they play hockey up there. terribly white, i'd imagine. this might be the last day i care about things like that so fuck it - i'm in. do you know a way?

DC47 wrote:
MaxWebster wrote:Canada immigration is hard, way harder than you think. than i thought, at least.

seriously, i need a list of countries. we have to be out of here in July and I don't want to go back. my 11yr old is pleading with us to stay. how f'ng sad is that.
How do you feel about Scandinavia?

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:18 am

Seriously. My sympathy is with you and your family.

I think Scandinavia has a lot going for it. The many positives are well known to you I imagine.

I don't know about the path to citizenship or residency. But it may not be so oriented to how much you can invest in a business, an avenue you've no doubt run into in Canada (and The Land of the Free).

I recently heard an interesting story about Denmark. I was talking with some new friends as to how they ended up running a restaurant in Michigan, given that they are from North Africa and England and moved here from Copenhagen.

The short answer was their kids. They found Denmark remarkably free of explicit racism. Admirably so, in contrast to, for example, England (where they had previously lived). At least as free of explicit racism as their new home here, where they moved without knowing anyone, partly on this basis.

They believed their kids could grow up in Denmark and be fine. But also that a substantial part of the Danish population would never really consider them 'truly' Danish, despite it being their birth place. They preferred that their children -- now young adults -- grow up in a country where there had been so much immigration, going back to the nation's origins, from so many places, that there was little of this kind of sentiment. Where their children, and most definitely the next generation, would be considered 'true' Americans by the vast majority (especially among the highly educated, which the kids very much are). We have little of this more subtle form of racism, the kind that wouldn't even count in this category for most people.

It's an interesting point, that I had never considered. Race can be so much more complex than typically given credit here.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:32 am

Rush2112 wrote:Evidently, the Canadian Immigration website has crashed.

it never crashed, that was made up.

travzilla · Post by **travzilla** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:27 am

Anyone looking to get out of the US and not immediately looking to Costa Rica and Panama (like Brian says) is doing it wrong. The requirements to move to Panama are ridiculously low.

Post by **brian** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:33 am

travzilla wrote:Anyone looking to get out of the US and not immediately looking to Costa Rica and Panama (like Brian says) is doing it wrong. The requirements to move to Panama are ridiculously low.

Not bad weather either. Close to two different oceans. You could do worse.

Moreta · Post by **Moreta** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:45 am

I was a 2. Bump me up to an 8 now. What a nightmare this is.

Scared? (0-10 scale)