Giff wrote:Atlanta's pretty dope and I feel pretty racist for calling it dope.
I've never laughed so hard at an episode of tv as I did with episode 7 B.A.N. I think me and TT are the only white dudes who got it. My girlfriend couldn't understand why I was nearly falling off the couch in tears. That just made it funnier.
In other TV watching stuff I'm into. My tattoo artist is in the top 6 on Ink Master. Designated Survivor is a good bad show that I'll stick with. I completely forgot about Mr. Robot, Luke Cage, and The Get Down and I'll pick them back up here shortly.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
brian wrote:(I'm pretty much limiting it to critically-acclaimed or really popular shows. Obviously a show that stunk for 5 years in the mid-90s will not have aged well.)
My definition of a show like that is Wings. I seriously have never met anyone who watched that show, and it was on forever.
My avatar corresponds on my place in the Swamp posting list with the all-time Home Run list. Number 45 is Paul Konerko with 439.
brian wrote:(I'm pretty much limiting it to critically-acclaimed or really popular shows. Obviously a show that stunk for 5 years in the mid-90s will not have aged well.)
My definition of a show like that is Wings. I seriously have never met anyone who watched that show, and it was on forever.
I watched Wings when it was on first run and always enjoyed it...mainly because the secondary characters (Roy, Faye and Lowell) made it funny. Although it's somewhat pathetic I could name those characters off the top of my head.
I would like expensive whiskey.
We only have beer & wine...
What am I, 12?
Giff wrote:I enjoyed The Walking Dead thing. I still love SNL. My entire life it's been one or two good skits, three or four bad ones, and one that's typically hilarious to me because it's just so off the wall. The current weekend update guys are my favorite in a long time.
This. The show has pretty much always been like this, with a few very notable highs and lows. (high - 90-92 cast was probably the best, if not a close second to the 70s crew... low - pretty easily the Charles Rocket doomed year... 80, I think?)
I did think this episode started very strongly and then went off a cliff.. the breastfeeding and then the closing time at the bar - gross out humor is kind of funny in the moment, but when I just want what's happening on the screen to stop already... there's a negative after-taste.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
brian wrote:Cheers wasn't a "bad" show by any stretch of the imagination, but it didn't/doesn't age very well.
I go back from time to time and watch older shows and it's pretty amazing which shows hold up over time and which ones don't. Some of it has to do with shows that are more rooted in current popular culture, trends in television at the time (multi-camera vs. single camera, etc.) and the like, but sometimes it just seems kinda random. Here's an incomplete list based solely on personal opinion.
Shows that have aged very well:
Seinfeld (maybe the best of any sitcom in history. I expect people will still be watching Seinfeld 50 years from now).
MASH
Mary Tyler Moore
All In The Family
Arrested Development
Shows that have not aged well:
Friends
Cheers/Frasier
Everybody Loves Raymond
(I'm pretty much limiting it to critically-acclaimed or really popular shows. Obviously a show that stunk for 5 years in the mid-90s will not have aged well.)
We've talked about this before, I think...
Original Newhart... Maybe even the one where he is an inn keeper too. Mainly because he is just so damn funny.
I wonder about the following: Taxi, WKRP, The Wonder Years and Moonlighting.
Those were some of my favorite shows... I wonder how they hold up.
Oh, and I agree with Night Court... Seems like it would hold up pretty well. I think shows that relied a little less on that 1-2-3 set-up/patter/punchline and a little more on quirky comedic actors and their acting chops. maybe?
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
brian wrote:(I'm pretty much limiting it to critically-acclaimed or really popular shows. Obviously a show that stunk for 5 years in the mid-90s will not have aged well.)
My definition of a show like that is Wings. I seriously have never met anyone who watched that show, and it was on forever.
Sorry, not trying to be contrarian. but I loved that show.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
For me at least, the point I made about Cheers - that it got worse every time they changed a character - goes triple for MASH. The early years were gold! The last years were tripe. They turned Hotlips into a face instead of a heel and she started looking like she just came out of makeup every time you saw her. And, Alan Alda got sanctimonious and dominated every story line at the end. And none of the replacements were as good as the original characters (Trapper John vs. Honeycutt, Frank Burns vs. Winchester, Henry Blake vs. Potter, Radar vs. Klinger (who was always there as a minor character but was given Radar's place when he left, and the character became more "normal")).
I agree for the most part with MASH, but the writing and directing got a lot better in later years as it became less of a comedy. I never thought it was sanctimonious personally.
If you look at the replacements they all ended up being more well-rounded characters as opposed to sitcom archetypes.
brian wrote:I agree for the most part with MASH, but the writing and directing got a lot better in later years as it became less of a comedy. I never thought it was sanctimonious personally.
If you look at the replacements they all ended up being more well-rounded characters as opposed to sitcom archetypes.
I haven't watched it in years, but I thought the writing was good in the early years. I liked that Frank and Hotlips were "bad", rather than "well-rounded". Part of my opinion is that I always viewed the show as supposedly being a comedy with a little pathos - just one that wasn't that funny in the later years. I suppose if I take it as you describe it, I might have a different view.
brian wrote:I agree for the most part with MASH, but the writing and directing got a lot better in later years as it became less of a comedy. I never thought it was sanctimonious personally.
If you look at the replacements they all ended up being more well-rounded characters as opposed to sitcom archetypes.
I haven't watched it in years, but I thought the writing was good in the early years. I liked that Frank and Hotlips were "bad", rather than "well-rounded". Part of my opinion is that I always viewed the show as supposedly being a comedy with a little pathos - just one that wasn't that funny in the later years. I suppose if I take it as you describe it, I might have a different view.
This is a show that I've re-watched recently, not entirely from beginning to end, but close and I was struck by a couple of things.
A lot of people have the same opinion as you, but the show in later years was just as funny in my opinion. The difference being that every now and then they would do a one-off episode that really focused on the horrors of war. You can argue if that's something that a "comedy" should do, but the striking thing is that almost all of those episodes really broke a mold for television at that time. But they were relatively infrequent on the whole (maybe a couple shows per season).
Also I touched on this briefly but I felt like the difference between the first half of the show and the second half is that the characters (all of them, not just the "replacements") were more two-dimensional in the second half of the run as opposed to more one-dimensional in the first half of the run. Not to say -- first half=bad, second half=good just that it was a different show in a lot of respects. Not being a MASH scholar (not sarcasm, I've really never read much about the behind the scenes stuff ever) the show runners probably felt more freed to focus more on the aspects of a war zone after Vietnam was finally done for a few years. I viewed the start of the show as comic relief in a difficult time and with the passage of time they were able to focus more on the horrors of war, especially in a post Apocalypse Now/Deer Hunter world. (Remembering that MASH, despite being set in the Korean War was always a Vietnam war allegory.)
Sooo ... finally watched SNL and I thought it was awful, bordering on irresponsible. Shit shows like Fallon can make this election laughy, but SNL I expected to hit a lot harder, especially with the guy who should have been the perfect goddamn host. Aside from Colin Jost*, the show that has been reliably cruel and brutal in the past wasn't when it needed to be.
* I realized identifying with Jost at this point probably says something about me as well. I'll deal with it.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
mister d wrote:Sooo ... finally watched SNL and I thought it was awful, bordering on irresponsible. Shit shows like Fallon can make this election laughy, but SNL I expected to hit a lot harder, especially with the guy who should have been the perfect goddamn host. Aside from Colin Jost*, the show that has been reliably cruel and brutal in the past wasn't when it needed to be.
Maybe they are afraid to alienate our new insect overlords.
Giff wrote:Atlanta's pretty dope and I feel pretty racist for calling it dope.
I've never laughed so hard at an episode of tv as I did with episode 7 B.A.N. I think me and TT are the only white dudes who got it. My girlfriend couldn't understand why I was nearly falling off the couch in tears. That just made it funnier.
In other TV watching stuff I'm into. My tattoo artist is in the top 6 on Ink Master. Designated Survivor is a good bad show that I'll stick with. I completely forgot about Mr. Robot, Luke Cage, and The Get Down and I'll pick them back up here shortly.
i havent made it to watchin atlanta yet...havent seen reviews. my kind of show?
brian wrote:(I'm pretty much limiting it to critically-acclaimed or really popular shows. Obviously a show that stunk for 5 years in the mid-90s will not have aged well.)
My definition of a show like that is Wings. I seriously have never met anyone who watched that show, and it was on forever.
I watched Wings when it was on first run and always enjoyed it...mainly because the secondary characters (Roy, Faye and Lowell) made it funny. Although it's somewhat pathetic I could name those characters off the top of my head.
Antonio (Tony Shaloub) was funny also.
BFJ is the town wizard who runs a magic shop. He also has a golem that he has trained to attack anti-Semites.
Giff wrote:Atlanta's pretty dope and I feel pretty racist for calling it dope.
I've never laughed so hard at an episode of tv as I did with episode 7 B.A.N. I think me and TT are the only white dudes who got it. My girlfriend couldn't understand why I was nearly falling off the couch in tears. That just made it funnier.
In other TV watching stuff I'm into. My tattoo artist is in the top 6 on Ink Master. Designated Survivor is a good bad show that I'll stick with. I completely forgot about Mr. Robot, Luke Cage, and The Get Down and I'll pick them back up here shortly.
i havent made it to watchin atlanta yet...havent seen reviews. my kind of show?
Oh yea. You're as black as me. You'd love it.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
Giff wrote:Atlanta's pretty dope and I feel pretty racist for calling it dope.
I've never laughed so hard at an episode of tv as I did with episode 7 B.A.N. I think me and TT are the only white dudes who got it. My girlfriend couldn't understand why I was nearly falling off the couch in tears. That just made it funnier.
In other TV watching stuff I'm into. My tattoo artist is in the top 6 on Ink Master. Designated Survivor is a good bad show that I'll stick with. I completely forgot about Mr. Robot, Luke Cage, and The Get Down and I'll pick them back up here shortly.
i havent made it to watchin atlanta yet...havent seen reviews. my kind of show?
Oh yea. You're as black as me. You'd love it.
It's so fucking great. I love it so much.
Until everything is less insane, I'm mixing weed with wine.
Goliath on Amazon Prime. Billy Bob Thornton and William Hurt are lawyers that started a firm, something went terribly wrong and now they hate each other with the white hot passion of the sun.
I'm 6 episodes in and totally hooked. Acting is fantastic, and it's shot in LA and is spectacular.
Pretty dark, but BBT does his usual job of finding the comedy sweet spots... And the supporting cast is really fantastic.
Highly recommend.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
Have never watched more than 30 seconds of Top Gear but downloaded The Grand Tour for my commute yesterday. Fun. Love the Camera work and Mike Skinner is fantastic. Very easy to see why the show cost Amazon a reported $250 Million. Can't understand why Amazon would pay that much for it.
Giff wrote:Atlanta's pretty dope and I feel pretty racist for calling it dope.
I've never laughed so hard at an episode of tv as I did with episode 7 B.A.N. I think me and TT are the only white dudes who got it. My girlfriend couldn't understand why I was nearly falling off the couch in tears. That just made it funnier.
In other TV watching stuff I'm into. My tattoo artist is in the top 6 on Ink Master. Designated Survivor is a good bad show that I'll stick with. I completely forgot about Mr. Robot, Luke Cage, and The Get Down and I'll pick them back up here shortly.
mister d wrote:Sooo ... finally watched SNL and I thought it was awful, bordering on irresponsible. Shit shows like Fallon can make this election laughy, but SNL I expected to hit a lot harder, especially with the guy who should have been the perfect goddamn host. Aside from Colin Jost*, the show that has been reliably cruel and brutal in the past wasn't when it needed to be.
* I realized identifying with Jost at this point probably says something about me as well. I'll deal with it.
He got chastised for this joke over the last day. I honestly don't get it.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
This Rock The Troops special is pretty cool. The sexual innuendos during the safety brief were hysterical. And everything they've done in total has been top notch.
And the interview with the kick ass chicks (one being a lesbian because she said so directly) seemed to be a subtle shade toss to upper level politicians.
EDIT
Lynyrd Skynyrd just performed. Considering the amount of country music I've heard since being in the military (deployed and just hanging with white people), this was due.
EDIT 2
As part of the celebration they brought out a couple of vets that were at Pearl Harbor (the show was filmed in Hawaii). One was 99, the other 96. The 99 year old, Herb Weatherwax, died yesterday. Damn. He didn't look 99 at all.
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mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
You're not calling Lynyrd Skynyrd country music are you? Between this and excluding Virginia from The South, I'm starting to think you didn't pay enough attention during your years in Louisiana!
A_B wrote:Southern rock was what new country aspired to be but never could achieve.
Nah - New Country (at least what I think of as being New Country) - seems like traditional country music put through a sanitizing wash by record company execs and image consultants.
Southern rock was played by guys who probably reeked of weed, bourbon and b.o.
"beautiful, with an exotic-yet-familiar facial structure and an arresting gaze."
A_B wrote:Southern rock was what new country aspired to be but never could achieve.
Nah - New Country (at least what I think of as being New Country) - seems like traditional country music put through a sanitizing wash by record company execs and image consultants.
Southern rock was played by guys who probably reeked of weed, bourbon and b.o.
Outlaw Country on SiriusXM plays some Skynard man all the time, so I think they qualify.
well this is gonna be someone's new signature - bronto
A_B wrote:Southern rock was what new country aspired to be but never could achieve.
Nah - New Country (at least what I think of as being New Country) - seems like traditional country music put through a sanitizing wash by record company execs and image consultants.
Southern rock was played by guys who probably reeked of weed, bourbon and b.o.
Outlaw Country on SiriusXM plays some Skynard man all the time, so I think they qualify.
If it shows up on the "Country" radio station in the DC area it is "pop" music.
Outlaw country (or No Depression, or Roots country, or Alt. Country) is so much better than regular or New country. You'll notice that the Skynyrd that gets played on Outlaw Country (ch. 60 on your dial) is from 40+ years ago, not the abomination of the name that tours currently.
I agree with the comment though that New Country is some record company guy's idea of what modern southern rock should sound like.
