College Football 2016 Thread

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:27 pm

brian wrote:
DaveInSeattle wrote:Does Jim Harbaugh wear adult diapers under his khakis?
I'm not sure I get the joke.

His pants looked...full. I assume it was thermal underwear and the like.

Post by **brian** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:32 pm

Oh well that makes sense. But yeah if I were standing outside in 35 degrees for four hours I'd be wearing layers as well. But that's just me.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:46 pm

Yeah. I'm with you.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:49 pm

We watched the U.K.-looeyville and Osu Michigan games on split screens with a huge Michigan fan. Got sucked in to rooting but for he maize and it dampened the mood. But still we drink.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:59 pm

if Penn State wins this game is the Big 10 Championship meaningless? Can Penn State get into the playoff with 2 wins?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:04 pm

degenerasian wrote:if Penn State wins this game is the Big 10 Championship meaningless? Can Penn State get into the playoff with 2 wins?

I think so. But rhe bigger implication is Minnesota Wisconsin I think. Michigan needs Wisconsin to lose. Penn state losing too would be ideal for wolverines.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:25 pm

Harbaugh is pissed off.

Post by **brian** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:47 pm

He's not exactly wrong. He has a point on all three calls. The officials were intimidated by the crowd. Though that happens.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:37 pm

brian wrote:He's not exactly wrong. He has a point on all three calls. The officials were intimidated by the crowd. Though that happens.

I thought the PI call on Michigan was a good call. That ball looked catchable to me. But the refs missed a clear PI against OSU on the third down play on double overtime. I also think Michigan stopped the 4th down run, although there would've needed to be a camera angle parallel to the first down line to reverse the call on the field. (Also, I thought one of the OSU WRs was holding on the play before.)

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:45 pm

brian wrote:To steal a bit from my boy Hood (who stole the bit from someone I don't remember), if you had under 136 points in the Syracuse-Pittsburgh game, YOU LOST!

I wonder what that line would have been with Syracuse having their starting QB... even though the back-up, who is a former walk-on brought on by the previous coaching staff, accounted for 7 TDs. Weirdest part of the game was Syracuse was ranked 122nd in rush yards/game and Pitt was 4th in rush yards allowed per game. SU had over 200 on the ground today.

Or the weirdest part is that the football team outscored the basketball team today.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:55 am

Warner Wolf

Post by **Shirley** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:58 am

DSafetyGuy wrote:Or the weirdest part is that the football team outscored the basketball team today.

And both lost.

In similar news, Virginia's basketball team gave up fewer points to Providence on Saturday (51) than their football team did against the Hokies (52).

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:08 am

brian wrote:Wonder if Houston goes after PJ Fleck. Whoever they hire it'll be interesting I think. Might be a big piece of the coaching shuffle.

Strong should go there for $1 a year.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:14 pm

Still struggling to get over that shitshow on Saturday. I don't really think The Spot was egregious, I actually thought his arm extended up the back of his blocker and probably got him to the 15.

But the fact OSU wasn't called for one hold on a day that MI eviscerated their line all day? And the at least 2 really blatant PIs not being called... Very hard to get over the officiating.

I'd also point out a kind of troubling trend with Harbaugh... MI lost to Iowa and on Saturday because they didn't put their foot on the opponents neck in the 4th Q. The play calling was just too conservative. Yes, you have a once in a generation defense. You are also asking them to play a shit load of downs deep in a game. They were clearly exhausted.

Which, I'd also point out, may have played a hand in how soft they played on OSUs final drive. They zoned up and didn't bring pressure and allowed Barrett to march them down the field.

And now you have a situation where 40+ seniors are leaving, while OSU played with crapton of underclassman.

This is the first time since 06 I felt like we would win this thing. Sucks.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:29 pm

Hey, DiS. Big game this Friday. I am a bit conflicted because I'd really like to see a Pac-12 team in the national championship playoffs, and that would require a Washington win. But, this has been such a fun, surprising year for the Buffs that I have to continue rooting for my home state and a Colorado win.

If Washington wins and they aren't in the playoff because two Big-10 teams get selected, then I'm going to be pissed. That would be wrong.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:56 pm

sancarlos wrote:Hey, DiS. Big game this Friday. I am a bit conflicted because I'd really like to see a Pac-12 team in the national championship playoffs, and that would require a Washington win. But, this has been such a fun, surprising year for the Buffs that I have to continue rooting for my home state and a Colorado win.

Its been a great year for CU. Watching the game Saturday evening I was torn. On one hand, I'm a Utah alum, and on the other, its fun to have CU relevant again, and screw USC.

I think CU has a chance on Friday night. Their secondary is really good, and while UW's receivers are all good, they are on the small side.

If Washington wins and they aren't in the playoff because two Big-10 teams get selected, then I'm going to be pissed. That would be wrong.

This goes back to my earlier question: Would it be better to go to the playoff and get trashed by Alabama (which is what I think would happen), or go to the Rose Bowl and be the favorite?

It has been a great season for UW though. I think they might be a "year early". Most of their big players are underclassmen, and if everyone is healthy/available next year, they could be scary good.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:28 pm

I think you have to hope for playoff every time. Who knows what happens?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:32 pm

sancarlos wrote:Hey, DiS. Big game this Friday. I am a bit conflicted because I'd really like to see a Pac-12 team in the national championship playoffs, and that would require a Washington win. But, this has been such a fun, surprising year for the Buffs that I have to continue rooting for my home state and a Colorado win.

If Washington wins and they aren't in the playoff because two Big-10 teams get selected, then I'm going to be pissed. That would be wrong.

committee will piss off everyone and take 3 Big 10 teams.

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:35 pm

degenerasian wrote:
sancarlos wrote:Hey, DiS. Big game this Friday. I am a bit conflicted because I'd really like to see a Pac-12 team in the national championship playoffs, and that would require a Washington win. But, this has been such a fun, surprising year for the Buffs that I have to continue rooting for my home state and a Colorado win.

If Washington wins and they aren't in the playoff because two Big-10 teams get selected, then I'm going to be pissed. That would be wrong.
committee will piss off everyone and take 3 Big 10 teams.

C'mon. Get real. At most it would be two and that's only if Wisconsin wins the B1G title game and Washington and/or Clemson loses. Penn State is not making the playoff with an identical record to Michigan and being nuked by Michigan earlier in the season. The committee might overlook Wisconsin's losses to Michigan and Ohio State though.

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:37 pm

Here's an interesting question though. Given how dreadful the SEC has been this year, should Alabama still make the playoff if it loses to Florida?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:39 pm

C'mon. Get real.

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:41 pm

I think it's pretty moot anyway, but Alabama's schedule (other than the win over USC) has not been great. Every other playoff contender has played a better schedule.

But Alabama is not losing to Florida.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:57 pm

I could pretty easily make a case for PSU.

The blog I follow has a weekly feature called Opponent Watch. It does a great job of keeping tabs on everyone on M's schedule, which is pretty helpful this time of year. The thing about PSU is that, yes, really ugly loss to MI, but that game they were missing a bunch of starters on D. Since that game, as they got healthy, they started annihilating people... And they also beat OSU. And say what you want about how fluky that game was... It's not like OSU dominated and "deserved" to win.

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:02 pm

I could more easily make a case for Wisconsin if they win on Saturday, but I'm not saying Penn State is undeserving necessarily. But it's hard to justify putting them in the playoff over Michigan with identical records and a blasting from Michigan on their schedule irrespective of the circumstances. At what point doesn't the regular season not even matter? If the committee wants to play that game they should just have the top four conference champions from the five major conferences and call it a day.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:13 pm

brian wrote:I could more easily make a case for Wisconsin if they win on Saturday, but I'm not saying Penn State is undeserving necessarily. But it's hard to justify putting them in the playoff over Michigan with identical records and a blasting from Michigan on their schedule irrespective of the circumstances. At what point doesn't the regular season not even matter? If the committee wants to play that game they should just have the top four conference champions from the five major conferences and call it a day.

Isn't it similar to the argument a few years ago when Texas Tech beat Texas who beat OU who beat Texas Tech? Why does Michigan's win over PSU mean more than PSU's win over OSU?

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:17 pm

Giff wrote:
brian wrote:I could more easily make a case for Wisconsin if they win on Saturday, but I'm not saying Penn State is undeserving necessarily. But it's hard to justify putting them in the playoff over Michigan with identical records and a blasting from Michigan on their schedule irrespective of the circumstances. At what point doesn't the regular season not even matter? If the committee wants to play that game they should just have the top four conference champions from the five major conferences and call it a day.
Isn't it similar to the argument a few years ago when Texas Tech beat Texas who beat OU who beat Texas Tech? Why does Michigan's win over PSU mean more than PSU's win over OSU?

Doesn't mean "more" but context matters, schedule matters, it all should matter. If you look at Michigan against Penn State, it's hard to make an argument that Penn State is more deserving of a playoff spot when you factor:

a) Overall schedule and quality of losses. (Same overall record except extra B1G title game.)
b) Head to head (obvs).
c) Penn State beat tOSU at home in a game they were outplayed in (though not dominated) and needed a fluky special teams play to win. Michigan at worst played tOSU to a standstill in Columbus.
d) overall strength of schedule. Michigan's win over Wisconsin would be irrelevant since PSU would have to beat them too to even make the argument, but Michigan also has a fairly dominating win over Colorado and PSU's non-conference wins are meh, at best.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:38 pm

i would be an awful college coach, i have no style. in the NFL i can grind out 17-14 games.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:39 pm

degenerasian wrote:i would be an awful college coach, i have no style. in the NFL i can grind out 17-14 games.

No you couldn't. You'd be too busy punting.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:42 pm

A_B wrote:
degenerasian wrote:i would be an awful college coach, i have no style. in the NFL i can grind out 17-14 games.
No you couldn't. You'd be too busy punting.

punting is important!

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:43 pm

brian wrote:Here's an interesting question though. Given how dreadful the SEC has been this year, should Alabama still make the playoff if it loses to Florida?

if Ohio State is in without a conference championship then by default Alabama would be too.

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:48 pm

degenerasian wrote:
brian wrote:Here's an interesting question though. Given how dreadful the SEC has been this year, should Alabama still make the playoff if it loses to Florida?

if Ohio State is in without a conference championship then by default Alabama would be too.

Again, that's a false equivalence. Ohio State played a vastly superior schedule to Alabama. If both teams have one loss, Ohio State over Alabama is an easy argument to make.

I don't think Alabama SHOULD be out of the playoff with one loss. Just saying that I don't think it's quite the slam dunk some would make it out to be.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:02 pm

brian wrote:I think it's pretty moot anyway, but Alabama's schedule (other than the win over USC) has not been great. Every other playoff contender has played a better schedule.

But Alabama is not losing to Florida.

This UF alum agrees. No way the Gators lose by less than 21.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:03 pm

It feels to me like OhioState is being "rewarded" for not playing in the conference championship. They aren't being exposed to one more chance to lose...almost like they are getting a bye into the Final Four.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:28 pm

http://thebiglead.com/2016/11/28/heres- ... l-playoff/

brian - this is a pretty good expansion of the points you were making.

Go Buffs!

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:38 pm

Think it's pretty safe to say Ohio State and Alabama are in no matter what (regardless of my hypothetical above). Oklahoma-Oklahoma State winner needs a miracle and some angels on the playoff committee. So that leaves two spots let's say.

Easiest scenario is Clemson and Washington win their conference championship games. Then in some order it's Alabama, OSU, Clemson and Washington (probably that order though maybe flip Washington and Clemson).

If Washington or Clemson loses, they probably have no shot at the playoff. That means it would be either the B1G champion or Michigan in that spot. That's an interesting debate as described above. If Colorado wins, can the committee put them in over Michigan? It's possible, but difficult to justify. Can the committee put a two-loss Wisconsin (which Michigan beat) over Michigan? PSU (same scenario but an epic beatdown)?

Where things get crazy is if they both lose. All of the sudden, the Oklahoma-Oklahoma State winner has a shot. I think Michigan is definitely in if they both lose.

Another scenario if Oklahoma State wins Bedlam is how much the committee credits them for the loss against Central Michigan. On one hand, the officials screwed up the rule, on the other hand Central did Oklahoma State no favors by collapsing down the stretch. Whether you assume it's a "win" for Oklahoma State or not, it still looks horrible on their resume.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:04 pm

If they both lose is the 3 big10 teams scenario I was joking about earlier possible?

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:11 pm

degenerasian wrote:If they both lose is the 3 big10 teams scenario I was joking about earlier possible?

I very, very much doubt it. No, it'll be two from the Big 10 at most. Ohio State and either Wisconsin/PSU winner or Michigan, not both. In that sense, Michigan might already be eliminated depending on the committee's whims of "conference champion" vs. head to head.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:19 pm

If you put in alabama, osu, michigan and colorado the big10 champ would have a real beef

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:21 pm

degenerasian wrote:If you put in alabama, osu, michigan and colorado the big10 champ would have a real beef

If the Big Ten champ is Wisconsin in that scenario they might have a legitimate beef. Penn State, much less so.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:50 pm

Colorado might have some issues come Friday...

2 CU Buffs players face charges after win

Following the Buffs win against Utah at Folsom Field, a University of Colorado football player was arrested and another cited Sunday night.

Abdul Jaleel Awini, 23, is facing drug charges and Christopher Hill, 21, was cited for third-degree assault. According to a police report, the two got into a fight outside the Walrus Saloon in downtown Boulder.

The report says Hill and Awini were at the same bar when Hill observed Awini to be in a "daze." An argument between the two broke out as Hill tried to check and see if Awini was OK.

A bouncer saw the argument and escorted Awini out of the bar. As Hill left the bar, he ran into Awin, who was still upset about the earlier incident. Hill told police he saw Awini clench his fist, so he punched Awini in the face first.

Awini fell to the ground and Hill ran away from the scene. He eventually waited in a different area for officers to arrive.

When police arrived, they found a 'white powdery' substance in Awini's wallet as he was being transported to the Boulder Community Health hospital.