College Football 2016 Thread

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:33 pm

Special teams players.

phxgators · Post by **phxgators** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:36 am

brian wrote:But Alabama is not losing to Florida.

Only way we have a chance of winning that game is if we are spotted 30 points. Maybe 40.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:30 pm

The more I think about this the more i'm with Brian. I think Alabama, OSU and Michigan are already in. There is only one spot left.

If Clemson wins they're in
else if Washington wins they're in
else......

now it gets tricky
Colorado?
OK/OK State?
Wisconsin?

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:35 pm

To be clear that's not quite what I said. Clemson and Washington control their own destiny to join Alabama and Ohio State. But things get a little crazier if one of them loses since a two-loss Clemson or two-loss Washington are out.

I think Michigan SHOULD be in if one of those loses (especially if it is Colorado beating Washington), but doubt the committee will agree.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:41 pm

I have a hard time believing they'd take two teams from the same conference when neither won the championship.

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:50 pm

Giff wrote:I have a hard time believing they'd take two teams from the same conference when neither won the championship.

Yeah, I agree. But it's been a crazy year. When you start getting into two loss teams it's a little harder (in my opinion) to use conference championships as an end-all, be-all in determining playoff participants. If you're using that as a "tiebreaker" between one-loss teams then OK, depending on the specific circumstances I kinda get it. But it's easier to get in a situation where you have a more inferior two-loss team winning a conference championship.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:53 pm

what the tiebreaker order?

conference championships
head-to-head beatdowns
strength of schedule

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:55 pm

degenerasian wrote:what the tiebreaker order?

conference championships
head-to-head beatdowns
strength of schedule

No tie breakers. It's just a bunch of dudes in a room deciding who gets in.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:58 pm

I don't think Michigan has any chance of getting in even if there's chaos this weekend. The committee won't take them over the Penn State-Wisconsin or Oklahoma-Oklahoma State winners, given the emphasis on conference championships. So even in the unlikely event that Clemson and Washington both lose, Michigan won't get in.

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:04 pm

Joe K wrote:I don't think Michigan has any chance of getting in even if there's chaos this weekend. The committee won't take them over the Penn State-Wisconsin or Oklahoma-Oklahoma State winners, given the emphasis on conference championships. So even in the unlikely event that Clemson and Washington both lose, Michigan won't get in.

Probably not. But that's never been my argument. What they will do and what they should do are two different things.

Putting Penn State in over Michigan is a joke. Why even play the regular season then? If you're using conference championships to differentiate between teams that didn't play each other in different conferences that's one thing. Including a two-loss team with a head-to-head beatdown AND an inferior schedule over another team is silly.

ETA: Note my objection is more to Penn State than Wisconsin. I could see the argument of Wisconsin over Michigan because of Wisconsin's OOC win over LSU being solid and how close the Wisconsin-Michigan game (as well as how close the Wisconsin-OSU game) was and since it was played in Ann Arbor.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:07 pm

brian wrote:
Joe K wrote:I don't think Michigan has any chance of getting in even if there's chaos this weekend. The committee won't take them over the Penn State-Wisconsin or Oklahoma-Oklahoma State winners, given the emphasis on conference championships. So even in the unlikely event that Clemson and Washington both lose, Michigan won't get in.
Probably not. But that's never been my argument. What they will do and what they should do are two different things.

Putting Penn State in over Michigan is a joke. Why even play the regular season then? If you're using conference championships to differentiate between teams that didn't play each other in different conferences that's one thing. Including a two-loss team with a head-to-head beatdown AND an inferior schedule over another team is silly.

I agree that Michigan is better than those teams, I just don't think they have any chance of getting in. In two years, the committee has only taken teams that won their conferences outright. I'm pretty sure that Ohio State will break that trend this year but I don't think there's any chance they take a 2-loss team that didn't win it's conference title.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:42 pm

The important point here is what brian clarified for degen: There some stated guiding "principles." There are no hard and fast rules.

These guys are basically looking at the field and saying "What combination of 4 teams will get us the best series of games." And by that, I mean ratings. Teams within striking distance are going to be looked at for how they might actually give Alabama a game. I'll just leave that where it is. I could argue that both ways for MI, but I can tell you Penn State has a MUCH less compelling case to make than Wiscy, as brian pointed out.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:09 pm

Ratings are probably one of the main reasons the Cardale Jones OSU team got into the playoffs in the first place. Yes, they smoked Wisconsin in the Big 10 champ game, but that gave the committee the cover to put them in, I think.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:57 pm

So I just read this stat: In Navy's 75-31 win over SMU, 74 of the 75 Navy players that dressed played in the game. The only one that didn't play? The Navy punter.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:25 pm

I bet he'd take that bet.

Post by **brian** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:22 pm

Gonna call it right now -- PJ Fleck to Oregon.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:30 pm

Haven't been in this thread much since my team has been shit for the last 2 years, but few things have been so satisfying in my sports fandom than watching the Beavs run the ball right down the Duck's throat for 21 plays straight and the win. A beautiful way to end an 8-year drought.

Post by **Sabo** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:39 pm

brian wrote:Gonna call it right now -- PJ Fleck to Oregon.

Hopefully by tomorrow afternoon.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:51 pm

Sabo wrote:
brian wrote:Gonna call it right now -- PJ Fleck to Oregon.
Hopefully by tomorrow afternoon.

Nah. You want big rumors but no announcements.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:31 pm

That Oregon job would seem like a dream for a lot of coaches. Tons of money behind you, supportive administration, established recruiting pipelines, tradition of recent success...

Post by **brian** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:42 pm

sancarlos wrote:That Oregon job would seem like a dream for a lot of coaches. Tons of money behind you, supportive administration, established recruiting pipelines, tradition of recent success...

...Phil Knight biting at your ankles 24/7.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:41 am

A_B wrote:
Sabo wrote:
brian wrote:Gonna call it right now -- PJ Fleck to Oregon.
Hopefully by tomorrow afternoon.

Nah. You want big rumors but no announcements.

That's exactly right. UH has been killed with that twice now: they blew the conference championship game the year Sumlin left and then last week against Memphis when all the Herman rumors were flying around.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:20 pm

Loving the fact that if Navy wins the conference title this week it can screw up the Bowl announcements because the Army-Navy game would make a difference.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/st ... owl-system

But who knew that if you had good grades you can be bowl eligible at 5-7 record

Post by **brian** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:28 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote:But who knew that if you had good grades you can be bowl eligible at 5-7 record

Anyone who's been following college football and the bowls for the last two years?

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:35 pm

brian wrote:
wlu_lax6 wrote:But who knew that if you had good grades you can be bowl eligible at 5-7 record
Anyone who's been following college football and the bowls for the last two years?

Guess I miss those games that take place on Tuesday the 2nd week of December at 11:00AM at some MLS stadium

Post by **brian** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:40 pm

If Colorado, Oklahoma and Wisconsin win Saturday, Michigan and Ohio State will be 4-0 combined over all P5 conference champions. Might never happen again that two non-conference champions have a record like that against the five conference champions. It's pretty much almost impossible.

Post by **brian** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:41 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote:
brian wrote:
wlu_lax6 wrote:But who knew that if you had good grades you can be bowl eligible at 5-7 record
Anyone who's been following college football and the bowls for the last two years?
Guess I miss those games that take place on Tuesday the 2nd week of December at 11:00AM at some MLS stadium

You don't even have to watch the damn games, it's been a major point of discussion in the media and within the NCAA for the last two years since there was three extra bowl slots last year and will about that many this year.

Post by **brian** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:11 pm

Wow, this is so dumb. Indiana to fire Kevin Wilson.

I think he's the most underrated coach in the country. Done a great job with the IU offense and 6-6/7-5 is probably about Indiana's ceiling without some major upgrades to facilities. If I were Oregon or Houston, he would the kind of hire I'd be looking for. Pair his offensive coaching somewhere it's possible to actually recruit some four-star talent?

duff · Post by **duff** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:24 pm

Yeah, that is crazy. His biggest downfall was his inability to get someone in to coach the defense. And as you said, he just couldn't get bigger recruits to come to Bloomington. Not sure there is anyone out there that would be able do what he has done in his time there. They aren't going to get Fleck or any other big name mid-major coach. Unless they drop the bank on them. And even then, besides being in the B1G TEN, the move is very lateral IMO.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:28 pm

more than meets the eye

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:31 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:more than meets the eye

What a tease. But your article gives no extra details!

Post by **brian** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:35 pm

There's reports that he "clashed with administrators" but even if that's true if he was trying to get resources for facilities and assistant coaches he's totally justified in trying to get that stuff. Short of violently clashing with them or being insanely insubordinate it still doesn't make any sense. Indiana's not going to be do any better in an open market. I'd be really damn shocked if they got anyone on the level of Fleck. Their best bet would probably be someone like Brock Spack.

Post by **brian** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:39 pm

Now reports trickling out with Beckman-like abuse of players, which OK...I get it then.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:43 pm

A_B wrote:
Brontoburglar wrote:more than meets the eye

What a tease. But your article gives no extra details!

The Hoosiers’ overall record has improved incrementally since a 1-11 first season and lost in last season’s Pinstripe Bowl on a controversial kick in overtime that might or might not have gone through the uprights.

Feel like you're missing a word or two there.

(what do I win?)

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:37 pm

brian wrote:Wow, this is so dumb. Indiana to fire Kevin Wilson.

I think he's the most underrated coach in the country. Done a great job with the IU offense and 6-6/7-5 is probably about Indiana's ceiling without some major upgrades to facilities. If I were Oregon or Houston, he would the kind of hire I'd be looking for. Pair his offensive coaching somewhere it's possible to actually recruit some four-star talent?

That is monumentally stupid. WOW.

A bunch of B1G fan bases, not to mention coaches, are breathing a sigh of relief. That team gives people fits. Routinely plays above their talent level.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:41 pm

brian wrote:Now reports trickling out with Beckman-like abuse of players, which OK...I get it then.

Ah. Ok... Because it kinda goes with out saying, but when you in the B1G East, you need to pull some pretty special shit out of your ass to do any better than 4th right now.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:58 pm

http://deadspin.com/report-indiana-to-f ... 1789572548

Post by **brian** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:00 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:http://deadspin.com/report-indiana-to-f ... 1789572548

Not sure the author of that piece actually realizes that Wilson's buyout is pretty substantial. $2.5M is a hell of a lot of money for Indiana (for football). My guess would be Indiana doesn't pay the buyout or tries to negotiate it down

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:59 pm

rass wrote:
A_B wrote:
Brontoburglar wrote:more than meets the eye

What a tease. But your article gives no extra details!

The Hoosiers’ overall record has improved incrementally since a 1-11 first season and lost in last season’s Pinstripe Bowl on a controversial kick in overtime that might or might not have gone through the uprights.
Feel like you're missing a word or two there.

(what do I win?)

a job as a proofreader!

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:00 pm

pretty clear that Indiana and Wilson have a confidentiality clause given the lack of detail about the "philosophical differences" and the level of salary that Wilson received upon resignation.

unclear just why Indiana felt it was good enough to give him a six-year extension in January and realize whatever was supposedly fixed wasn't fixed 11 months later.