2016 Presidential Race

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:36 pm

I'm just saying I'd be surprised if we weren't guilty of some subterfuge somewhere. In every presidency ever.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:37 pm

Yes, I'm drunk.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:39 pm

A_B wrote:I'm just saying I'd be surprised if we weren't guilty of some subterfuge somewhere. In every presidency ever.

You'd be naive to think we haven't tilted the scales in dozens, if not hundreds of elections over the decades/centuries/eons/dimensions.

It's what we do.

Capitalism, baby.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:10 pm

Right. Which is why Obama can't come hard against it. I get it. Politics.

Which is why he couldn't come out public. He apparently privately talked to Putin about it which is a point in his favor. But he was almost helpless to do more than that.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:52 am

Thanks, Obama.

Post by **Shirley** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:50 pm

I'm with Joe on the bullshittedness of the idea that because the information seems to have come from Russia, anyone who reported on it is somehow to blame. That doesn't make any sense to me. While hacking is bad, information generally is not. I'm sure the same people made at Russia/wikileaks now were very happy to credit previous leaks (e.g. Edward Snowden) for exposing hidden truths in government.

If anything, the problem is either a) how we responded to the information in the leaked emails or b) that the media didn't do the same digging on their own into both campaigns. We know there was plenty of ugliness on the Republican/Trump side of things, but nobody was really able to find anything (other than the pussy comments) that had any impact.

BTW, I wonder how many people conflated Hillary's two separate email issues? I bet a lot of people thought/think that the Russians hacked her home-built State Department server, which would certainly have been a bigger deal.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:25 pm

Well, things are getting even more interesting.

Jeebus. I can't believe 24% (or whatever) of American adults were stupid enough to vote for this guy.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:36 pm

Buzzfeed has published the "Company Intelligence Report" regarding the Russians and Trump.

The phrase "perverted sexual acts" appears on the front page. And "golden showers" is on page 2.

Somehow I think this will turn out to be bullshit. But at least it will be entertaining bullshit.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:17 pm

I love this so, so much.

For the rest of his misbegotten life, even if he makes it through 4 years in the Oval Office, everyone who meets Trump will picture him covered in Russian hooker piss.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:39 pm

This is what I would consider an optimistic scenario for 2017.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:07 pm

I just can't see piss being a blackmailable proposition.

Child fucking, cannibalism, fucking then eating the dead, or GTFO.

Russian women are dirty as fuck in bed. And Euro chicks in general are far more sexually progressive than Americans. So these sexual deviances are blah. Hopefully it destroys his marriage though.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:13 pm

I don't feel like piss is progressive.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:28 pm

Johnnie, Trump would be humiliated enough to nuke if someone took audio of him shitting. Its not the act, its how the offended would view participation in the act.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:29 pm

A_B wrote:I don't feel like piss is progressive.

Fine. Less inhibited and more carefree sexually. Better?

This Reddit megathread is chock full of good reading:

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:30 pm

mister d wrote:Johnnie, Trump would be humiliated enough to nuke if someone took audio of him shitting. Its not the act, its how the offended would view participation in the act.

Eh. Still. I'm more of a "follow the money" guy. Far more damning than anything you can cook up sexually.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:39 pm

That's fine, but the collateral damage is hilarious. Its ever 13 year old being called a masturbator in front of the entire class.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:05 pm

#PEEOTUS

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:33 am

A reminder that comey had these allegations too and still only wrote one letter to congress 11 days before the election...

LewP · Post by **LewP** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:35 am

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:11 am

LewP wrote:

"NO NOTHING!"

So very Presidential.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:16 am

Uhhhh aren't a good deal of his loans from Russian banks or something like that? Isn't that like an actual thing?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:18 am

Gunpowder wrote:Uhhhh aren't a good deal of his loans from Russian banks or something like that? Isn't that like an actual thing?

Don't make me play the Nazi card!

Too late...

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:19 am

tennbengal wrote:A reminder that comey had these allegations too and still only wrote one letter to congress 11 days before the election...

Pretty much.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:28 am

Gunpowder wrote:Uhhhh aren't a good deal of his loans from Russian banks or something like that? Isn't that like an actual thing?

Yes. The golden shower stuff is awesome, but the dossier talks about what I would imagine is the far more damaging stuff about his financial interests being such that Russian blackmail makes sense.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:29 am

Also, from his tweet - "one last shot at me"...um, what? Wondering if he really would try to completely dismantle foggy bottom at this point...

Post by **Shirley** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:40 am

tennbengal wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:Uhhhh aren't a good deal of his loans from Russian banks or something like that? Isn't that like an actual thing?
Yes. The golden shower stuff is awesome, but the dossier talks about what I would imagine is the far more damaging stuff about his financial interests being such that Russian blackmail makes sense.

You guys really think the general public will be more interested in complex financial arrangements or Trump pissing on a prostitute (or vice versa)?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:17 am

Shirley wrote:
tennbengal wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:Uhhhh aren't a good deal of his loans from Russian banks or something like that? Isn't that like an actual thing?
Yes. The golden shower stuff is awesome, but the dossier talks about what I would imagine is the far more damaging stuff about his financial interests being such that Russian blackmail makes sense.
You guys really think the general public will be more interested in complex financial arrangements or Trump pissing on a prostitute (or vice versa)?

No. But that's why I said the golden shower stuff was awesome, the damaging I am referring to is what is more likely to impact his being compromised is his financial entanglements.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:27 am

And, to be clear, I am sure he is compromised. Either blackmail from some sort of sex thing or because he has financial interests that need to be covered based in Russia. Or both. It explains his weird approach on Russia, the RNC platform weirdness re: the Ukraine, etc. However I felt about Bush and dad, and Reagan, I never thought them compromised by a foreign power. But this incoming president? Yes, I am saying flatly, he is compromised.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:36 am

tennbengal wrote:It explains his weird approach on Russia, the RNC platform weirdness re: the Ukraine, etc.

Not releasing taxes...

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:41 am

tennbengal wrote:And, to be clear, I am sure he is compromised. Either blackmail from some sort of sex thing or because he has financial interests that need to be covered based in Russia. Or both. It explains his weird approach on Russia, the RNC platform weirdness re: the Ukraine, etc. However I felt about Bush and dad, and Reagan, I never thought them compromised by a foreign power. But this incoming president? Yes, I am saying flatly, he is compromised.

I agree. Trump throughout his campaigned has flip flopped on every issue saying what people want to hear. And it won him the election. One thing he's never wavered on is his stance on Russia. He is definitely compromised.

Post by **Shirley** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:47 am

tennbengal wrote:And, to be clear, I am sure he is compromised. Either blackmail from some sort of sex thing or because he has financial interests that need to be covered based in Russia. Or both. It explains his weird approach on Russia, the RNC platform weirdness re: the Ukraine, etc. However I felt about Bush and dad, and Reagan, I never thought them compromised by a foreign power. But this incoming president? Yes, I am saying flatly, he is compromised.

It definitely helps explain a lot of his strange stances.

Unfortunately, I don't think it'll make any difference unless someone unearths a video of him with hookers.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:56 am

P.D.X. wrote:
tennbengal wrote:It explains his weird approach on Russia, the RNC platform weirdness re: the Ukraine, etc.
Not releasing taxes...

Yes. For damn sure.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:56 am

What will we see first, his dick or his taxes?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:32 pm

LewP wrote:

Case closed. I'm convinced. Although didn't Trump say he met Putin and spoke with him several times before he said he never met Putin?

I also thought it was public information that Trump has loans through Russian banks. He also likely has loans from Chinese banks, which are government owned. One report is that his debt could be as high as $2 Billion, but hey, how could our President owing the Chinese government that much money become a conflict of interest, right? I guess we will know when he shows us his taxes on November 10, 2016, right? Oh, now he is going to show us his tax returns on January 20th. Oh, now he isn't going to show them at all? Shocking. Just like the information about Russian hackers he had that nobody else had, that he promised to reveal on Monday. Or the unbelievable, terrific, yuuuuge proof his investigators found proving Obama wasn't born in Hawaii... How many free passes does he get with this trick?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:35 pm

Pruitt wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:Uhhhh aren't a good deal of his loans from Russian banks or something like that? Isn't that like an actual thing?
Don't make me play the Nazi card!

Too late...

Nazi Germany was when the press and the people united to oppress the leader, right? Poor Donald, if only the media stopped reporting what he says and instead focused on what is in his heart.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:12 pm

tennbengal wrote:A reminder that comey had these allegations too and still only wrote one letter to congress 11 days before the election...

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:15 pm

See, I would have called him an insufferable fuckstick for that answer, and that probably would have been wrong of me as a senator.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:41 pm

degenerasian wrote:
tennbengal wrote:And, to be clear, I am sure he is compromised. Either blackmail from some sort of sex thing or because he has financial interests that need to be covered based in Russia. Or both. It explains his weird approach on Russia, the RNC platform weirdness re: the Ukraine, etc. However I felt about Bush and dad, and Reagan, I never thought them compromised by a foreign power. But this incoming president? Yes, I am saying flatly, he is compromised.
I agree. Trump throughout his campaigned has flip flopped on every issue saying what people want to hear. And it won him the election. One thing he's never wavered on is his stance on Russia. He is definitely compromised.

As I've seen a few people point out on Twitter, Russia/Putin is about the only thing Trump has not criticized in his Twitter feed.

One stunning thing, to me, is that several "liberal media" outfits appear to have had these reports a while back. Yet no one published them because they could not be verified. I cannot imagine any right wing media outlet doing anything of the sort if the allegations were about any prominent Democrat.

I fear that this whole thing will backfire like the reports about Bush's National Guard service. And like the Bush National Guard thing, the conventional wisdom will be that the whole subject was inaccurate, even though, like the Bush National Guard thing, the main allegations are almost certainly true.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:55 am

Yeah, it doesn't really matter if Trump or Hillary wins. They're basically the same.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:17 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:Yeah, it doesn't really matter if Trump or Hillary wins. They're basically the same.

Almost literally, no daylight between them on anything.