Trump Administration Meltdown Thread...

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:58 pm

Hilarious.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:24 pm

It really is. And I don't really like Schumer but smarminess works here.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:08 pm

I liked this one, which also supports my "people vote against what is best for them" theory.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:23 pm

CNN is breaking a story that Russia is actively blackmailing Trump AND that Trump surrogates conspired with Russians prior to the election.

If true and the evidence is released? Hard to imagine how he doesn't get impeached.

ETA: Honestly if there's evidence of the latter claim, there's a case to be made for treason convictions.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:36 pm

brian wrote:If true and the evidence is released?

I WANT to believe, but that's where we're at, right? Something, anything?

Post by **brian** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:37 pm

Buzzfeed released what may or may not actually some of the intelligence in question, but it's worth a look.

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:37 pm

brian wrote:CNN is breaking a story that Russia is actively blackmailing Trump AND that Trump surrogates conspired with Russians prior to the election.

If true and the evidence is released? Hard to imagine how he doesn't get impeached.

ETA: Honestly if there's evidence of the latter claim, there's a case to be made for treason convictions.

Yeah, just like how we impeached Reagan and then tried him for treason for conspiring with Iran while Carter was still president.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:21 pm

My hopes are up no higher than "this will humiliate a shithead who can't handle being humiliated".

(Also, people seem to be reading it as peeing on him versus on the bed, which seems primed for a let down.)

Post by **brian** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:31 pm

mister d wrote:My hopes are up no higher than "this will humiliate a shithead who can't handle being humiliated".

(Also, people seem to be reading it as peeing on him versus on the bed, which seems primed for a let down.)

They might have peed on each other or something, but yeah it doesn't say anything about him being peed on. And if we're being kinda lame and honest having a fetish for watching women pee isn't really in the top 50 percent of all the weird shit out there.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:32 pm

mister d wrote:My hopes are up no higher than "this will humiliate a shithead who can't handle being humiliated".

(Also, people seem to be reading it as peeing on him versus on the bed, which seems primed for a let down.)

The humiliation factor alone is priceless.

And not even amoral scumbags like Trump's spokespeople would dare to correct the impression that Donald was the pissee and not the pisser.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:42 pm

I'm running to the trademark office with "Inaugurination".

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:46 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote:I'm running to the trademark office with "Inaugurination".

May I borrow this?

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:51 pm

Pruitt wrote:
DaveInSeattle wrote:I'm running to the trademark office with "Inaugurination".
May I borrow this?

Of course!

I also asked on fb if R Kelly will be playing at the Inauguration...

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:56 pm

I think this story might need to thread a needle for me to me comfortable with it. Odds this is all true and that the domestic "intelligence community" knew nothing about it prior to the election? If either of those are false this is not as much fun.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:59 pm

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:02 pm

Not to excuse any of this, but you know that our first 33 presidents or so were likely into stuff that would get you in jail today.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:03 pm

I'd wager a significant portion of the populace has got some freaky tendencies.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:09 pm

Rex wrote:Not to excuse any of this, but you know that our first 33 presidents or so were likely into stuff that would get you in jail today.

Oh absolutely. And while the Golden Showers part of this is comedy gold (pun intended), the scary stuff is the coordination between Trump's campaign and the Russians. That's treasonous, and I'm not sure there's any recourse. Congressional Republicans sure as hell aren't going to do anything about it.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:24 pm

I couldn't care less if the pissing stuff was true.

And if it's a complete lie, it is especially fitting.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:26 pm

Right, I have no issue with the event itself. If Biden hired Russia hookers to pee on a bed Santorum loved I'd be in heaven. But, if this is real, the coordination / blackmail / stupidity is re-frightening.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:43 pm

mister d wrote:My hopes are up no higher than "this will humiliate a shithead who can't handle being humiliated".

It's not possible for Trump to feel humiliated. The Narcissistic brain twists logic so the Narcissist can believe everyone else is a loser, and he is the greatest, most tremendous at everything, and has all the best words. Look at his Tweet about bad ratings for the Apprentice. He has an Executive Producer credit, but gloats when the ratings flop, because he is so tremendous, the ratings dropped when he wasn't on the show, and Arnold is a no-talent loser. If the show had good ratings, Trump would have been all over Twitter, boasting that he is so great, he can produce a highly rated show while saving every job in America and negotiating the greatest deals ever. This is why he has to respond on Twitter to all criticism, he needs to make himself believe the shit he Tweets.

But of course, Trump supporters will continue to believe this is all Dem sour grapes, and they need to move on and admit they lost. Plus, every Intel Agency and MSM news source is fake, while fly-by-night websites with "Red" in the name are reputable, even when they include disclaimers that they don't stand by the veracity of their stories.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:51 pm

Pruitt wrote:
DaveInSeattle wrote:I'm running to the trademark office with "Inaugurination".
May I borrow this?

I thought that's what the PEEOTUS was known to take part in.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:56 pm

Apologies if you guys have seen or read this, but here is the 35 page dossier:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... tions.html

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:58 pm

What's Donnie's response?

Natch.

BETTER TO BE PISSED OFF THAN PISSED ON, AMMIRIGHT?

Also, #GoldenShowers is trending huge right now. Second only to #ObamaFarewell.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:27 pm

The Sybian wrote:It's not possible for Trump to feel humiliated.

Could not disagree more.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:22 pm

Trump has stated previously how was a fan of trickle down economics. Little did we know that he meant it in a literal sense.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:15 am

I'm actually getting kind of excited to see how quickly he can fuck everything up.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:18 am

Nazi card played.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:27 am

Trump’s embrace of Vladimir Putin — and war on the CIA — starts to make sense if you believe he was worried about being blackmailed by Russia
One of the enduring mysteries of the 2016 election is how Republican voters who have for decades venerated Ronald Reagan for defeating the Soviet Union got so strongly behind a pro-Russian candidate like Trump.

During the campaign, Trump praised Putin’s strength as a leader, brushed aside concerns about Putin’s abysmal human rights record, hinted that he might recognize Russia’s annexation of Crimea, and talked about leaving NATO entirely or opting to ignore America’s legal obligation to defend any NATO member that comes under Russian attack.

Trump’s pro-Russian positioning goes all the way back to the Republican convention, when his campaign softened the party platform’s language on Ukraine to remove all reference about providing weapons to Kiev so it could protect itself from Russia. A short time later, Trump hinted to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that he was fine with Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea.

"The people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were," Trump said.

One of Trump’s former campaign managers, meanwhile, had been a paid consultant for pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine like its former president, Viktor Yanukovych. The campaign manager, Paul Manafort, later resigned as part of an internal campaign shake-up.

Trump himself has spent months praising Putin. "I will tell you that, in terms of leadership, he's getting an 'A' and our president is not doing so well," Trump said during an NBC forum in September.

He has also effusively praised Russia’s bombing campaign in Syria: "What’s wrong with Russia bombing the hell out of ISIS and these other crazies so we don’t have to spend a million dollars a bomb?" Never mind that Russian bombs have targeted the relatively moderate opposition more than ISIS, and that the point has been to prop up Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad. With Russian help, Assad’s forces just finished reconquering the rebel stronghold of Aleppo.

Trump’s rhetoric about Russia has been even more startling since November 8. He has spent weeks mocking the CIA’s conclusion that Putin tried to interfere in the election to help him win the White House by pointing to the spy agency’s faulty intelligence in the runup to the Iraq War. When US spies personally briefed Trump on their findings about Russia, he issued a remarkable statement that barely mentioned Russia. Instead, he lumped it in with China and other unnamed countries and outside groups as potential perpetrators.

Trump’s complete refusal to admit that Russia interfered in the election has baffled and infuriated many Republican lawmakers, who have called for congressional investigations into Moscow’s activities during the campaign and condemned Putin as a quasi-dictator. Just this week, five Republican senators said they’d back a Democratic bill that would make it harder for Trump to lift the punishing US sanctions on Russia.

It would make a bit more sense if Russia did in fact have something on Trump that was so big and so embarrassing that he would do Putin’s bidding to ensure it never became public. Given that Trump has survived the release of an audio recording of him bragging about sexual assault, it would presumably have to be something huge.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:38 am

This never happened to Eisenhower...

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:28 am

Rubio is hitting Tillerson pretty hard.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:12 am

A_B wrote:Rubio is hitting Tillerson pretty hard.

Isn't he also in the position to vote against him when the time comes?I watched a clip and he did hit him, but what does it matter?

Also, Rex Tillerson is a bad liar. This guy, as an oil man, with ties to Russian oil simply will not state himself to be in a position to understand anything a Secretary of State does. I watched 5 minutes. He doesn't answer hard pressed questions and echoes Trump.

This is bullshit.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:16 am

I turned it off, but the first part of the hearing Tillerson was fine. Then he began to stick to the line of "I am not privy to classified information yet, so I can't say for certain" quite a bit. There's some truth in that, and he did answer straightforward typically when the question askers (my feed only showed Tillerson so I was never quite sure who was asking) rephrased.

GoodKarma · Post by **GoodKarma** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:40 pm

I have no idea what just happened with that Trump presser...other than a lot of people making fools of themselves. Trump (not that he cares), the tax attorney, several members of the press, etc. It's too bad the Buzzfeed posting was such a screw up b/c the legit stuff to be concerned about is getting buried.

Trump tax returns has almost reached the Hilary email level of pointless.

Post by **brian** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:40 pm

We are so fucked.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:21 pm

The entire press corp should have walked out after Trump attacked CNN. But instead CNN in the background "He was attacking our news organization".

Media has to take a stand. If the journalism is actually more important than the business of news...

Otherwise every presser will be a circus like that, which suits Trump fine. Some think he came off as a clown, but whoever thinks that already thinks that. Trump supporters got more of what they want, so the end result is nothing was gained out of the whole exercise.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:55 pm

You don't have a fucking cheering section at a press conference. There should be no fucking ovation and scattered applause.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:04 pm

Deadspin is killing it today (again):

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/this-i ... socialflow

Ethical guidelines exist for a reason. Norms exist for a reason.

The reason is not “Jerks who think they’re smarter than us trying to control our lives from on high.” The reason is that human history is long, and all of the mistakes that could possibly be made have been made, and at a certain point people figured out that following some common sense rules could prevent us from making the same dire mistakes over and over again. Mistakes that come from human nature. Mistakes like: allowing powerful people to use their powerful positions to make money for themselves, or allowing powerful people to use their powerful positions to squelch legitimate dissent, or allowing powerful people to use their powerful positions to flout the very ethical guidelines and norms that prior people in powerful positions established to keep people in powerful positions in check.
...

This is why you don’t kiss the ring of Donald Trump. This is why you don’t visit him in his golden tower and sit stiffly in a spacious conference room to hear his nonsensical thoughts about “innovation.” This is why you don’t tousle his hair playfully on late night television, or allow him to hold off-the-record meetings with your news organization. This is why you don’t pose in smiling pictures with him, or defer to him out of some misplaced sense of decorum or respect for the office he is soon to occupy. This is why there was so much fear over the “normalization” of what he is and what he represents. Our society and our institutions are simply not set up to deal with someone who is fully prepared to flout all of our norms of good behavior. Our system, to a large degree, relies on social sanction rather than laws to prevent powerful people from getting to far out of line. When our most powerful person is willing to ignore all of that, there is not much in place to stop him. The normalization process is well underway. The pomp and circumstance and deference will only increase after the inauguration. The press and the Congress are the only two institutions standing between a dangerous man and total power. They must both realize this is not the time to salute and grovel. This is not the time to fall into familiar patterns of default respect for someone who does not himself respect the responsibility to the public that he has been given. This is the time for them to rise to the occasion. And the occasion is a fight for civil society.

Sorry for the long paste, and I left some good stuff out. But pretty much, all that piece.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:08 pm

degenerasian wrote:The entire press corp should have walked out after Trump attacked CNN. But instead CNN in the background "He was attacking our news organization".

Media has to take a stand. If the journalism is actually more important than the business of news...

Otherwise every presser will be a circus like that, which suits Trump fine. Some think he came off as a clown, but whoever thinks that already thinks that. Trump supporters got more of what they want, so the end result is nothing was gained out of the whole exercise.

C'mon. Who would benefit most from a media walkout? Hint: not the media, not the public

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:56 pm

P.D.X. wrote:
degenerasian wrote:The entire press corp should have walked out after Trump attacked CNN. But instead CNN in the background "He was attacking our news organization".

Media has to take a stand. If the journalism is actually more important than the business of news...

Otherwise every presser will be a circus like that, which suits Trump fine. Some think he came off as a clown, but whoever thinks that already thinks that. Trump supporters got more of what they want, so the end result is nothing was gained out of the whole exercise.
C'mon. Who would benefit most from a media walkout? Hint: not the media, not the public

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but Trump is obsessed with being covered in the news. He is somehow untouched by all of the horrible things he says and does. He can say something on camera, in front of millions, and the next day say he never said that, and somehow, millions of people believe him.