HaulCitgo wrote:You might invest some of those fees on D&O insurance
already have that.
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HaulCitgo wrote:You might invest some of those fees on D&O insurance
rass wrote:Thanks.
If she hadn't had two concussions in the last year+ I wouldn't be all that concerned. I thought we had another year to go.
Nonlinear FC wrote:Targets for opponents? Really?
That seems like a SUPER subjective (bullshity) thing to say.
I mean, in that dude's world, don't put on knee braces??
rass wrote:(first time a doc has given me his personal phone # and email and told me to just contact him at any time with any issues or questions).
howard wrote:rass wrote:(first time a doc has given me his personal phone # and email and told me to just contact him at any time with any issues or questions).
WHAT!?!?!
(no respect; no respect.)
rass wrote:
Sorry. Without expecting a handy in return.
rass wrote:Nonlinear FC wrote:Targets for opponents? Really?
That seems like a SUPER subjective (bullshity) thing to say.
I mean, in that dude's world, don't put on knee braces??
I kind of wish I had thought of that response at the time. Though the dude was pretty great (first time a doc has given me his personal phone # and email and told me to just contact him at any time with any issues or questions). Maybe he was just disputing their general effectiveness.
I think we were specifically talking about the headbands. Were you referring to those to those or to Petr Cech-style full headgear?
elflaco wrote:thoughts on this? zero tolerance... 1st offense.. parent suspended from watching one game.. 2nd offense, banned from watching rest of season... 3rd offense.. family is out of the club... of course, i'll need the board to approve it.
what say the swamp?
elflaco wrote:we have no power but the power of shame... and the fact that we can kick his kid out of the club. hell, i'll even give those people a refund as long as they gtfo.
it's a small town.... the couple of issues we've had in the 5+ yrs i've been involved.. those parents left the club pretty quick.
with little legal recourse.. what would you do?
duff wrote:Pull all of the parents aside and give them a first and final warning. If any of them acts like the one parent from the previous game, then their child will be kicked from the club.
Shirley wrote:duff wrote:Pull all of the parents aside and give them a first and final warning. If any of them acts like the one parent from the previous game, then their child will be kicked from the club.
That was my thought as well. You don't get a third chance to yell at a kid. In fact, nobody else even gets another chance. Everyone is warned.
The Sybian wrote:Shirley wrote:duff wrote:Pull all of the parents aside and give them a first and final warning. If any of them acts like the one parent from the previous game, then their child will be kicked from the club.
That was my thought as well. You don't get a third chance to yell at a kid. In fact, nobody else even gets another chance. Everyone is warned.
This is my answer, too. I don't know the story behind it, but a friend of mine was talking to the President of our club, who told him he was on his way to "fire a parent." No idea what the parent did, but they were banning the parent from attending any games or practices, with the option of a full refund if they pulled the kid.
Nonlinear FC wrote:Yeah, just to pile on the obvious... If a parent of an opposing team said something to one of my players, I would flip my shit. The one time my co-coach almost got tossed is when an opposing coach started chirping at our players (we are not a chippy team, and they'd already wrecked the knee of one our kids, so... this was just the way they operated.) And was all I could do to hold him back, because I wanted to kill the guy at that point myself.
But a fucking parent?! Yeah, sorry, you get MAYBE .5 strikes on that one. There's just no excuse for that and it would be a constant source of worry and stress, wondering what else that person is capable of doing when the next incident comes around. I'm a nice guy, I'd probably give them a lecture and a warning that next time you're banned. But I'd also enlist other parents to make sure I knew what that guy was up to...
That's the other thing. You have to educate all the parents, because typically we coaches are on the opposite of the field... by design... so we don't get caught up in the parental nonsense.
Thank you for sending this email regarding the parents "sideline coaching". We've been surprised by what we have been seeing the past couple weeks. Parents walking up and down the sidelines coaching, parents screaming like maniacs, parents going over to the team during the game and at half time, kids coming over to parents during the game. We've never seen anything like this. My son is in his 6th year playing for the league and the coaches have given us very specific league rules from day one. And if the parents don't follow the rules they will be asked to leave.
Some parents on this have even said to me, "you're so calm." Perhaps some of the parents new to this league don't realize there are specific rules. Yes, I am much calmer than most parents on the sidelines because I know the league rules and I also appreciate the fact that these are 7 and 8 year olds and that this is not the World Cup.
I thank you for bringing that up because I do believe it needed to be said.
Nonlinear FC wrote:I also want to keep my shit together regarding that dad, but holy shit is it difficult. There's so much wrong with that guy.
First off, as a goalie myself, the fucking last thing I would ever tolerate, even as a kid, was my parents or anyone else really, giving me shit about a goal. Shut the fuck up. This is the hardest position (mentally) on the field. Literally no one else wants to do it. I take pride in pain. I soak up the bitterness of a goal to sharpen my edges. I don't want your bullshit instruction, person that 99 percent of the time has no idea what they are talking about.
So, that's just from a players perspective. STFU dude.
Now, as a coach and a parent. Fuck that guy. It's not his job to be frustrated or to do anything other than be encouraging. So, again, STFU ass.
Here's something you might consider sharing with him, but really all the parents, because it's a game changer. Guess when the worst possible time to talk to your kids about soccer is?
Right after the fucking game. ESPECIALLY with little kids. Look, parental unit, I get it. You just sat through what was probably a tension-filled, often frustrating game. You have shit you need to say! You have instruction and thoughts and critiques... And it usually includes something about the coaches, other players, playing time, who to pass to, how someone else should be taking.... STOP IT.
First off, kids are prone to be very hard on themselves. So, before you launch into your fucking Bear Bryant bullshit, know that the kid has already rolled around in his head. He also wants this shit to be fun. He/she just spent a couple hours with his/her buddies... They, for the most part, probably had a pretty good time overall. What they don't need is for all of that to come crashing down the second you get in the car, and then for the next 30 minutes (whatever) on the way home.
"Hey! Did you have fun? I loooved when you kicked it away from that player going to goal! Wasn't Susie awesome in goal today? Wanna go get some Dairy Queen? Can't wait to watch you play again next weekend!"
That's it. That's the conversation.
The Sybian wrote:, but I think we need to lay down the law, and limit parents from coaching.
The Sybian wrote:
Been wanting to ask some advice on the recent complaints we got from 2 parents, but I don't have time right now. My wife took a couple short videos of a game 3 weeks ago, and I was shocked at all of the screaming from our parents. I said, "no wonder the kids don't listen, they are being told to do 4 different things at the same time." My daughter said it really bothers her, and I'm sure she isn't alone.
sancarlos wrote:Just one uninformed voice, but I thought parents were the only ones who want to coach kids' soccer?
sancarlos wrote:Just one uninformed voice, but I thought parents were the only ones who want to coach kids' soccer?
elflaco wrote:The Sybian wrote:
Been wanting to ask some advice on the recent complaints we got from 2 parents, but I don't have time right now. My wife took a couple short videos of a game 3 weeks ago, and I was shocked at all of the screaming from our parents. I said, "no wonder the kids don't listen, they are being told to do 4 different things at the same time." My daughter said it really bothers her, and I'm sure she isn't alone.
and we've been talking with our coaches this week... mainly the ones coaching u11 and older.. to stop the directing from the sidelines.. far too many of them talk non stop directing every move their players make.
let them play.
set up the game before hand, adjust as needed.. half time talk.. adjust again.
but stop telling johnny or Joannie where to stand EVERY FUCKING MINUTE. that's not coaching.
the response i've gotten more than once... but they may lose the game otherwise!!
WTF. kids aren't allowed to lose?
pendejos.
Shirley wrote:elflaco wrote:The Sybian wrote:
Been wanting to ask some advice on the recent complaints we got from 2 parents, but I don't have time right now. My wife took a couple short videos of a game 3 weeks ago, and I was shocked at all of the screaming from our parents. I said, "no wonder the kids don't listen, they are being told to do 4 different things at the same time." My daughter said it really bothers her, and I'm sure she isn't alone.
and we've been talking with our coaches this week... mainly the ones coaching u11 and older.. to stop the directing from the sidelines.. far too many of them talk non stop directing every move their players make.
let them play.
set up the game before hand, adjust as needed.. half time talk.. adjust again.
but stop telling johnny or Joannie where to stand EVERY FUCKING MINUTE. that's not coaching.
the response i've gotten more than once... but they may lose the game otherwise!!
WTF. kids aren't allowed to lose?
pendejos.
How many practices a week do these kids get? Asked another way, what's the practice/game ratio? When I coached my kids in rec soccer, we had only one practice a week. I never got a full squad at practice, sometimes they were rained out, etc. If I didn't coach kids during games - telling them where to be, etc. - they would have had half as much coaching. And with practices, I couldn't really simulate many real-game scenarios, because there simply aren't enough kids.
I was never that concerned with winning or losing - that was 90% due to the players assigned to teams, not coaching - but I did want to make sure the kids learned how to play.