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Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:29 pm

brian wrote:This guy agrees with that assessment.

yup yup... I like this guy because he puts citations around all of his facts. Makes it damn near impossible to refute his articles.

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:33 pm

I'm glad to see there's an organized effort to register those folks to vote though.

MaxWebster · Post by **MaxWebster** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:24 pm

this is great. thanks for putting into words what I've been struggling to

Nonlinear FC wrote:I've been saying this a lot lately, most recently and comprehensively in the GIFs thread:

Men need to, for the most part, open their minds and keep their mouths shut right now. This isn't about us and how it effects us. Be supportive where you need to be, but asking how to react to all this because you feel uncomfortable... Or framing it in a "not all men" fashion is really just not important right now. Women know that not every male they encounter wants to rape them.

But how many speak out when their buddy talks about his girlfriend/wife in a demeaning way? How many of us knew guys who described a sexual encounter that in hindsight we know was at a minimum inappropriate but likely bordering on illegal?

I could go on and on.

I'll use a race as an example. You know the guys that say "blacks" should just shut up about racial discrimination. "I didn't own slaves, and neither did anyone in my family. They are just whining, there's no inequality. I'm not racist and I'm tired of hearing about it and all the excuses."

Yeah, and that ignorance is almost always followed with some REALLY racist shit. But the person saying it truly doesn't think it's racist, because they've already couched in the "not all white people" manner. They are blinded to it.

Just keep it in mind as you are struggling with the desire/need to defend your maleness in the current climate.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:26 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:I've been saying this a lot lately, most recently and comprehensively in the GIFs thread:

Men need to, for the most part, open their minds and keep their mouths shut right now. This isn't about us and how it effects us. Be supportive where you need to be, but asking how to react to all this because you feel uncomfortable... Or framing it in a "not all men" fashion is really just not important right now. Women know that not every male they encounter wants to rape them.

But how many speak out when their buddy talks about his girlfriend/wife in a demeaning way? How many of us knew guys who described a sexual encounter that in hindsight we know was at a minimum inappropriate but likely bordering on illegal?

I could go on and on.

I'll use a race as an example. You know the guys that say "blacks" should just shut up about racial discrimination. "I didn't own slaves, and neither did anyone in my family. They are just whining, there's no inequality. I'm not racist and I'm tired of hearing about it and all the excuses."

Yeah, and that ignorance is almost always followed with some REALLY racist shit. But the person saying it truly doesn't think it's racist, because they've already couched in the "not all white people" manner. They are blinded to it.

Just keep it in mind as you are struggling with the desire/need to defend your maleness in the current climate.

Agreed.

This is where I struggle, is the article stating 'all men' or my discomfort with it "not all men". Maybe I'm easily triggered.

blundercrush · Post by **blundercrush** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:52 pm

degenerasian wrote:
Agreed.

This is where I struggle, is the article stating 'all men' or my discomfort with it "not all men". Maybe I'm easily triggered.

As a general rule, guys need to sack the fuck up and deal with the fact that a much larger % of men then we realize/know are the problem. Also, given how long the people who haven't directly done anything wrong, but known about and stayed silent, are part of the problem. I am including myself in all of this.

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:04 pm

Hell, there's a couple of guys in the Swamp who in my opinion have pretty disturbing and retrograde opinions about women (and that's putting it nicer than I could).

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:08 pm

This will come as a shock to exactly no one, but Louie Gohmert is batshit crazy. (By the way, this is one of the few times where it's worth it to read the mentions/comments on the tweet. Some good stuff in there.

https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status ... 6814130178

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:34 pm

That's both great and terrifying.

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:07 pm

EnochRoot wrote:
Nonlinear FC wrote:
Johnnie wrote:It's the Bible Belt south. No it's not.

I would also say that we have been talking about the warp speed with which sexual abuse/assault has turned into a thing that's... I guess, not OK all of a sudden?

I mean, it's fucking weird that we are saying that, but it really has become a cultural phenomenon and massive and very rapid shift in how we are covering and talking about it.

Stuff that was "known" in all sorts of places and, for whatever weird fucking reason, was just normalized or ignored... All of a sudden we aren't OK with it. Which is fantastic... but very weird, too.

I think this touches on what you're saying.

I almost didn't read that when I saw the author. For some reason, I get regular Medium emails highlighting interesting articles. Her stuff comes up a lot in those emails and I quickly learned to stop reading them. But that one was a good piece. I don't think she's wrong. She's probably way overly optimistic about how far and fast this revolution will move, but it'll be interesting to see.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:17 pm

Nope. Not disappointed at all.

https://twitter.com/GScottShand/status/ ... 6275291138

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:36 pm

You know, for a country that spends a lot of effort and trillions of dollars "Exporting Democracy," the USA doesn't really make it look all that appealing.

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:09 pm

Pruitt wrote:You know, for a country that spends a lot of effort and trillions of dollars "Exporting Democracy," the USA doesn't really make it look all that appealing.

There’s an election to be won for an isolationist president who isn’t a bigot and an idiot.

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:21 pm

The only argument to be made for American intervention overseas is a sense of morality to defend Western norms but at this point I’d be fine if some brave president said fuck it and closed all our bases overseas. (Except maybe a few in Western Europe.)

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:47 pm

Are we including anti-genocide as a western norm?

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:02 pm

mister d wrote:Are we including anti-genocide as a western norm?

Sure but one man’s genocide is another man’s justice. That said, American troops can get most places on the globe pretty quickly if necessary

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:16 pm

Hannity is hedging on Moore.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:46 pm

https://www.cardsagainsthumanitysavesamerica.com

https://youtu.be/cxMvzK2OQTw

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:07 pm

https://www.liddonlaw.com/trent-garmon/

Please read.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:22 pm

brian wrote:The only argument to be made for American intervention overseas is a sense of morality to defend Western norms but at this point I’d be fine if some brave president said fuck it and closed all our bases overseas. (Except maybe a few in Western Europe.)

Didn't Trump say that at one point? "Why doesnt Japan have its own guns?"
Or he wanted mafia protection money from NATO members.

Instead the Congress 100% raised defense spending.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:50 pm

mister d wrote:https://www.liddonlaw.com/trent-garmon/

Please read.

There’s so much there!
He’s quite proud of the scheduling of his college football team; he served as a Chaplin (sic) (Charlie or Geraldine?) of an organization, and was Associate Evangelist with Evangelism International. (!). He noted many plaintiffs he represented including “the unborn”. (Do they have legal standing to file lawsuits?)

Square Rob · Post by **Square Rob** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:15 am

mister d wrote:https://www.liddonlaw.com/trent-garmon/

Please read.

That reads as if HIS VERY PROUD DAD wrote it.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:37 am

mister d wrote:https://www.liddonlaw.com/trent-garmon/

Please read.

Again, apologies to any Alabamans, but if this is the lawyer that a former Justice of the State Supreme Court chooses to act as his spokesman, it kind of plays in to many stereotypes that people have of the state.

From an article in the Gadsen Times concerning the fact that Garmon's church kicked out a Boy Scout troop after the national organization decided to allow openly gay Scouts...

“We would not want the Boy Scouts to have a bad witness of Christ,” Garmon said. “Because we (the church) are reflections of Christ.”

Wow.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:47 am

https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/ho ... socialflow

Even better than the one from yesterday, in terms of being comprehensive and a little less "chop off their dicks." Just brutally honest.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:04 pm

And I would add, that contrary to most instances, the comment section is a pretty interesting read. Lots of pretty well-articulated responses and points of view.

Just gonna keep reading.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:13 pm

Square Rob wrote:
mister d wrote:https://www.liddonlaw.com/trent-garmon/

Please read.

That reads as if HIS VERY PROUD DAD wrote it.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/930837883732287488

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:17 pm

that's amazing

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:36 pm

His hair is three sizes too small.

duff · Post by **duff** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:24 pm

Angry Beaker.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:27 pm

Mr. Uncredible

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:45 pm

mister d wrote:His hair is three sizes too small.

That is great. He looks like an evil Manning cyborg.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:44 pm

Yearbook Truthers are going to be AWESOME!

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:22 pm

It's not a tax bill anymore. It's a health care repeal bill.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:18 pm

rass wrote:that's amazing

He's fucking insane!

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:01 pm

Sounds like some white people I've met who've never met a non white person in their lives and has to craft a worldview out of the worst stereotypes they've heard on tv.

Usually these types don't become lawyers though.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:18 pm

Johnnie wrote:Sounds like some white people I've met who've never met a non white person in their lives and has to craft a worldview out of the worst stereotypes they've heard on tv.

Usually these types don't become lawyers though.

But even his intonation, and his interview with Don Lemon the other day.

Sure he's a goober, but there's something else there too.

Square Rob · Post by **Square Rob** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:18 am

So he was disbarred for 90days several years ago for pretending to be a minister to some parents who just buried their kid. Moore actually upheld his suspension while on the Alabama SC. Is this really the best representation that Moore can get? A shitty ambulance chaser?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:56 am

Square Rob wrote:So he was disbarred for 90days several years ago for pretending to be a minister to some parents who just buried their kid. Moore actually upheld his suspension while on the Alabama SC. Is this really the best representation that Moore can get? A shitty ambulance chaser?

It's nuts.

He's a Senator - can't he at least find an attorney who doesn't cut his own hair?

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:57 am

There's a part of me that think it's by design in an effort to shame AL voter into sticking by him.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:35 am

EnochRoot wrote:There's a part of me that think it's by design in an effort to shame AL voter into sticking by him.

I don't know if "shame" and "AL voter" can really go in the same sentence.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:40 am

Steve of phpBB wrote:
EnochRoot wrote:There's a part of me that think it's by design in an effort to shame AL voter into sticking by him.

I don't know if "shame" and "AL voter" can really go in the same sentence.

I may not have worded it right, but I think there's a technique involved here where his handlers are effectively propping this guy up as a mirror to the state of Alabama.

Eh. Or not.