The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)

[Rush2112]

Maybe it's because he's shocked that his mouth is saying such idiotic things and his brain is rebelling and causing a slight short circuit? But it's what they wanna hear, so why not?

[A_B]

I am really not trying to be an asshole here. But the continued comments about how stupid trump followers are is part of the reason he won in the first place. Don't diminish people. That's a surefire way to alienate them.

Speaking as an anti trump conservative. Change the narrative folks.

I don't know the answer. But I know calling his "base" idiots is a bad political move.

[degenerasian]

I am really not trying to be an asshole here. But the continued comments about how stupid trump followers are is part of the reason he won in the first place. Don't diminish people. That's a surefire way to alienate them.

Speaking as an anti trump conservative. Change the narrative folks.

I don't know the answer. But I know calling his "base" idiots is a bad political move.

That is bang on. They are not idiots. The goalposts keep moving.

[Rush2112]

I don't know of any people that intend to run that are calling his followers idiots.

Not being able to push past the single issue that causes people to vote R, or look past his rhetoric and see that he's done nothing but add muck to the swamp makes you wonder why they lack certain critical thinking skills.

[mister d]

“People calling Trump followers idiots helped him win” and “idiots helped Trump win” are anything but mutually exclusive statements.

[Johnnie]

When all that Trump supporters can say is "build the wall," "but her emails," "what about...," yell "MAGA," and vote along the ideology of "does it piss off lib'ruls? GOOD!" they are the textbook definition of stupid.

They will *always* be stupid. I will *always* call them stupid. Until they grow a brain and realize just how fucking stupid they are and begin to at least show some level of understanding then I'll give them a break.

Trump happened because enough galvanized white people were mad that the undercover secret Muslim Kenyan hellbent on imparting Sharia Law and taking away Christmas was president for 8 years. They are brainwashed by Fox News and their propaganda.

They are fucking stupid. The GOP had to scrape the barrel and align with pederasts and racists to keep winning within their gerrymandered districts. It's gross and disgusting on top of stupid.

So maybe politicians can be more inclusive in hopes of getting people to understand the situation and attitudes change, but I'm not in that business. I'm actively rooting for many people to die in their sleep. I lost patience years ago catering to making stupid people understand.

[A_B]

Certainly there's a difference between a politician actively saying that a group is "stupid" and someone on a random message board saying the same thing. I'm referring to the prevailing thought that democrats look down on a vast segment of the population and are dismissive of them as intellectually inferior. That's not something I'm making up, I don't believe. That's the narrative that the democrats have to figure out how to change.

(There's also stupid people in most any group. We still let Sabo hang around, ya know?)

[Johnnie]

Agreed.

I compare it to a classroom with all types of students from honor roll to failing. The honor roll kids look down on the failing as some sort of scum because the class average is brought down overall and the entire class fails. They aren't exactly IQ stupid, but the grading system dictates that they should be. And being talked down to constantly makes them go "fuck it." They make the stupid action in spite of themselves to piss off people.

It's not a perfect metaphor, but it mostly fits.

And his name used to be Sabo Sabo. Even when he tries to blend in, he still mess it up! Poor guy. (I kid, Sabo. Those glasses are a treasure.)

[Joe K]

The problem with the classroom metaphor is that GOP voters are consistently more wealthy than Democratic voters. Wealth does not perfectly correlate to education, but the affluent white suburbanites who actually form Trump's base (as opposed to the coal miner characature that the media loves) really don't fit the metaphorical role of HS dropouts sitting in the back row.

That said, Democratic condescension is a real issue. The problem with portraying even lower/middle class Trump voters as "dumb" or "voting against their own interests" when he enacts policies that benefit the rich is that there are plenty of non-economic reasons to vote for or against a candidate. Plenty of higher income Dems (including, I'd imagine, many posters on this board) frequently vote against their own selfish economic interests because they care about issues like civil rights, environmental conservation, etc. Just because GOP voters have vastly different non-economic interests that drive their votes, it doesn't make them dumb.

[Steve of phpBB]

Certainly there's a difference between a politician actively saying that a group is "stupid" and someone on a random message board saying the same thing. I'm referring to the prevailing thought that democrats look down on a vast segment of the population and are dismissive of them as intellectually inferior. That's not something I'm making up, I don't believe. That's the narrative that the democrats have to figure out how to change.

In a sense this is probably right, but fuck - for twenty-five years conservatives have been describing liberals as immoral, treasonous, and outright evil. So it's hard for me to gin up too much sympathy.

Plus, when I think that there are actually more than ten people in this country who voted for Trump over Clinton because he or she was concerned about the working class, or worried about corruption, or who wanted to avoid unnecessary military engagements - in my less charitable moments, it is really fucking hard to come up with a term other than idiot.

How about "folks who are wrong about a whole lotta stuff"?

[Rush2112]

Opinion from the LAT this morning:

With today's Republicans, Nixon would have gotten away with Watergate.

[mister d]

The term shouldn't be "idiot" anyway, it should either be "evil" or "enabler". Stop with this "we disagree with our colleagues across the aisle" nonsense where even if they give a nice speech, its all buddy-buddy later anyway.

[Joe K]

The term shouldn't be "idiot" anyway, it should either be "evil" or "enabler". Stop with this "we disagree with our colleagues across the aisle" nonsense where even if they give a nice speech, its all buddy-buddy later anyway.

I'd guess the buddy-buddy aspect comes from the fact that the Democratic Congressional delegation is largely made up of rich people who don't need help paying for education, medical care or retirement -- and therefore will never personally suffer as a result of GOP policies.

[mister d]

Right, and those who can separate work and play because their own lives don't change or improve need to go as well. Lots and lots of people need to go.

[Nonlinear FC]

I find it very difficult to get behind the idea that Democrats are the ones guilty of labeling their opponents to the detriment of the party when the GOP and Fox News and the rest spend the bulk of their time demonizing their opponents. Condescension is not equivalent to demonizing.

So, yes, of course, broaden your base. But I'm not going to apologize to Trump supporters for calling them out on where ever they land on the spectrum of ignorance to extremely cynical in promoting their own self-interest.

[degenerasian]

When all that Trump supporters can say is "build the wall," "but her emails," "what about...," yell "MAGA," and vote along the ideology of "does it piss off lib'ruls? GOOD!" they are the textbook definition of stupid.

They will *always* be stupid. I will *always* call them stupid. Until they grow a brain and realize just how fucking stupid they are and begin to at least show some level of understanding then I'll give them a break.

Trump happened because enough galvanized white people were mad that the undercover secret Muslim Kenyan hellbent on imparting Sharia Law and taking away Christmas was president for 8 years. They are brainwashed by Fox News and their propaganda.

They are fucking stupid. The GOP had to scrape the barrel and align with pederasts and racists to keep winning within their gerrymandered districts. It's gross and disgusting on top of stupid.

So maybe politicians can be more inclusive in hopes of getting people to understand the situation and attitudes change, but I'm not in that business. I'm actively rooting for many people to die in their sleep. I lost patience years ago catering to making stupid people understand.

The Republican base voters latched on to this but in the end Trump got the same votes as Romney and Hillary less votes then Obama (taking increase in eligible voters into account). What about the Obama twice then Trump voters. Are those the stupid angry white people you describe? Are they influenced by FOX News?

The problems were on the Democrats side. Bernie gave a viable alternative but was shutdown by Crooked Hillary and that turned a lot of people off.
That said Trump did give something, the brashness, the loudness and yes the celebrity that attracted some. As flawed as Hillary was, she would have beaten Cruz or Kasich easily.

I think Alabama and Virginia prove that people are not stupid and the more the demographics change, the more the US will be an inclusive country. The question is, can the Democrats offer policy to attract the other side or will they keep dismissing them as idiots. The stuff happening on college campuses for example is scary as conservative thought is totally shut down.

[mister d]

Voting for Obama then Trump takes you 99% of the way to stupid.

[L-Jam3]

Why do we, the good and righteous people, have to play nice anymore?

I spoke a few weeks ago that I now berate those who still support Trump as some combination of stupid, cowardly, morally bankrupt, and/or complicit in child rape. And you know what? It's fucking great to do so.

I get that a reasonable person could vote for Trump, especially since Hillary was the other option. People forget this, but Hillary rubs a lot of people the wrong way, as being grossly corrupt, insincere, and part of the establishment. Those are valid criticisms, and I say that as someone who voted for her.

But at this point, after the complete series of failures, including Charlottesville, ramping up nuclear brinksmanship in North Korea (literally the #1 disqualifier of any presidential candidate), the monkey-wrenching of the Middle East (why be careful and cut only the safe wires to the bomb when you can swing an axe at it), the out-and-out deceit, the complete inability to communicate coherently, the selling-out of every marginalized group, supporting a guy who fucking raped children, and the fact that he's a fucking rapist, only a person who is above is still able to support him.

Denigrate them. Tell them they are stooges for Fox News. Tell them they are so stupid that they got conned by the dumbest conman in American history. Fuck them. That 30% is never going to change their minds. Point out that they still support him even though his administration has been a litany of failure. If they point to a success, ask them whether literally any competent Republican would've had the same result (the tax bill, the Dow, whatever else they call is a "success"). And if they say "no, it was Trump's doing", just tell them they are a fucking idiot. Fuck these people.

Look where playing nice got us. If we want the power back, we have to crush them and play the same fucking games they played. Fuck them.

[Steve of phpBB]

Voting for Obama then Trump takes you 99% of the way to stupid.

There are basically two possible explanations I've seen, and they're both fucked up.

One is that people thought Trump would be better for working folks economically. That's stupid, or at the very least, irresponsibly ignorant.

The other is that Obama and the Dems showed too much favoritism to black people over white people. Blue Lives Matter > Black Lives Matter. That's racist. (And stupid.)

[mister d]

I assume 9 out of 10 are malleable television watchers who have so little core principles that any candidate on any part of the spectrum could get their vote with the proper marketing. (Which makes them stupid.)

[Johnnie]

https://twitter.com/KenTremendous/statu ... 7321973760

[L-Jam3]

Something else to hammer these craven motherfuckers on is that they rushed to make sure the rich got their tax break while neglecting to renew CHIP, fucking health insurance, for 9 million kids.

[Pruitt]

I ass ...any th...ing.

[Joe K]

If the piss tape is actually real, the Trump Administration's announcement of arms sales to Ukraine will surely lead to its release. This is just about the last thing Trump would do if he was worried about Putin having any type of leverage over him.

[brian]

I legitimately don’t know if Trump knows the Russians and Ukrainians are essentially at war. No joke. You give him too much credit.

[Brontoburglar]

I legitimately don’t know if Trump knows the Russians and Ukrainians are essentially at war. No joke. You give him too much credit.

he's not there. but he's there!

"He's not going into Ukraine, OK, just so you understand. He's not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want," Trump said in an interview on Sunday with ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week."
"Well, he's already there, isn't he?" Stephanopoulos responded, in a reference to Crimea, which Putin took from Ukraine in early 2014.
Trump said: "OK -- well, he's there in a certain way. But I'm not there. You have Obama there. And frankly, that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama with all the strength that you're talking about and all of the power of NATO and all of this. In the meantime, he's going away. He takes Crimea."

[testuser2]

Translation: Putin definitely isn't there. Oh wait I lied. Putin is there, but only because of Obama. He won't go any farther because I'm Trump. But if he does it's because of NATO and Obama. Now he will go away, but he will come back.

The only part he left out was something about Hillary.

[Gunpowder]

I legitimately don’t know if Trump knows the Russians and Ukrainians are essentially at war. No joke. You give him too much credit.

That's actually probably true.

[Johnnie]

https://youtu.be/hH-wCe5oAv8

[Brontoburglar]

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/ ... 8810293249

[Johnnie]

I'd love to see someone really dig into this dude's history and find some shit on him. I'm tired of his nonsense.

[Rush2112]

Do you think he actually read the article or just posted it based on the headline?

[P.D.X.]

Read? All he had to do was look at was the source.

[DaveInSeattle]

About the awful, awful tax bill that was passed yesterday: As terrible and soulless of a person that Trump is (and he really is the worst), and of the other Republican Candidates for President would have signed the exact same bill.

But...they probably wouldn't have made Cabinet members stand there and shout hosanna's to him when it passed. Look at what Pence unleashed:

Thank you for seeing, through the course of this year, an agenda that truly is restoring this country. You described it very well, Mr. President. From the outset of this administration, we’ve been rebuilding our military, putting the safety and security of the American people first.

You’ve restored American credibility on the world stage. We’re standing with our allies. We’re standing up to our enemies.

But you promised economic renewal at home. You said we could make this economy great again, and you promised to roll back regulations, and you’ve signed more bills rolling back federal red tape than any President in American history. You’ve unleashed American energy. You’ve spurred an optimism in this country that’s setting records.

But you promised the American people in that campaign a year ago that you would deliver historic tax cuts, and it would be a “middle-class miracle.” And in just a short period of time, that promise will be fulfilled.

And I just — I’m deeply humbled, as your Vice President, to be able to be here. Because of your leadership, Mr. President, and because of the strong support of the leadership in the Congress of the United States, you’re delivering on that middle-class miracle.

You’ve actually got the Congress to do, as you said, what they couldn’t do with ANWR for 40 years. You got the Congress to do, with tax cuts for working families and American businesses, what they haven’t been able to do for 31 years. And you got Congress to do what they couldn’t do for seven years, in repealing the individual mandate in Obamacare.

I know you would have me also acknowledge the people around this table, Mr. President. I want to thank the leaders in Congress once again for their partnership in this. I want to thank your outstanding team, your Secretary of the Treasury, Steven Mnuchin, for Gary Cohn, for Ivanka Trump, for your great legislative team — all the members of this Cabinet who partnered to drive your vision forward over the past six months after you laid out that vision for tax reform.

But mostly, Mr. President, I’ll end where I began and just tell you, I want to thank you, Mr. President. I want to thank you for speaking on behalf of and fighting every day for the forgotten men and women of America. Because of your determination, because of your leadership, the forgotten men and women of America are forgotten no more. And we are making America great again.

Good god...what a syncophant.

[mister d]

He’s going to fire Mueller and the R excuse for not acting will be “c’mon it was Christmas”, huh?

[Gunpowder]

Middle-class miracle. Guh.

[Pruitt]

Nice tough talk at the UN by Nikki Haley. The countries that voted to condemn the administration's decision to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem have been put on notice.

“The United States will remember this day in which it was singled out in this assembly for the very act of exercising our right as a sovereign nation,” said Nikki Haley, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N. “We will remember it when, once again, we are called up to make the world’s largest contribution to the U.N., and we will remember it when many countries come calling on us to pay even more and to use our influence for their benefit.”

Atta girl! Time for the US to create a new alliance among the countries that were brave enough to stand up for what America (or at least her Boss) believes in!

Gonna be a hell of a group...

The countries that voted with the United States against the resolution condemning its embassy move were Togo, Palau, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Honduras, Guatemala and Israel.

That's all of them.

Canada was Canadian and abstained. But take a look at some of the USA's new enemies...

The United Kingdom, France, Germany, Ireland, Belgium, Portugal, Spain and China all voted to condemn the move of the American embassy as part of a total of 128 countries voting in favour of the resolution.

Foreign policy as run by idiots.

[Giff]

I am really not trying to be an asshole here. But the continued comments about how stupid trump followers are is part of the reason he won in the first place. Don't diminish people. That's a surefire way to alienate them.

Speaking as an anti trump conservative. Change the narrative folks.

I don't know the answer. But I know calling his "base" idiots is a bad political move.

Fuck that. Calling liberals "diseased" or "snowflakes" or "evil" or "terrorist sympathizers" or "beta" or "cuck" or "libtard" has certainly worked for Republicans. Let's call these people what they are.

[Pruitt]

Trump's Coins

Buddy seems to want a cult of personality.

[DaveInSeattle]

Trump's Coins

Buddy seems to want a cult of personality.

Hey remember when jackwads like Jonah Goldberg and Sean Hannity told us that President Obama was a narcissist and always needed to be the center of attention?

Ahh...the good old days...