The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
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Yeah, this is just one more notch in the ShitShow Belt wrapped around Trump and the GOP-controlled Congress. And that's the way it is polling by the way, not just my opinion. I think it was an ABC poll out yesterday, but it had a majority pinning this on Trump and the republicans in Congress.
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Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
And, as Josh Marshall at TalkingPointsMemo points out...this is what the Republicans do! Doing gov't shutdowns is completely their move! Remember Newt and his temper tantrum? Or hell, Ted Cruz in 2013? I know the Republicans are going to try, but its a tough stretch to say "Yes...we always shutdown the gov't, but not this time!".brian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:04 pm Completely disagree. A government shutdown with the GOP in control of the White House, House and Senate will not play well in middle America and they'll know who to blame regardless of who Trump and Fox News tell them to blame. Voters aren't quite that stupid (yet).
And then there is this:
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
I don't see anyone really caring about a government shutdown unless it's the part of the government that bombs people and keeps the bad guys in prison.
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Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
In 2013, Donald Trump says a government shutdown has to be blamed on the President. 2018? It's not his fault.
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It's a shutdown. Thanks Obama.
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Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Let's see if I get paid. Weeeeeeeee! (I'll get back pay, but still.)
My gf, however, is a contractor. Probable non paid vacation for her.
(Oh yea. No working government means no AFN. Which means no football to watch this weekend and possibly no Super Bowl.)
My gf, however, is a contractor. Probable non paid vacation for her.
(Oh yea. No working government means no AFN. Which means no football to watch this weekend and possibly no Super Bowl.)
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The true women's champion speaks!
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Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Copy / paste from another site:
IF YOU ARE PRESIDENT, YOU MAY NOW:
Imply, without evidence, that a television anchor was involved in a murder
Question the authenticity of a recording of you bragging about sexual assault, even though you previously admitted it was real
Say the F.B.I.’s reputation is “in tatters — worst in history” and call members of the intelligence community “political hacks”
Retweet inflammatory and fake anti-Muslim videos from an ultranationalist British group
Call the American justice system a “joke” and a “laughingstock”
Have your lawyer pay $130,000 in hush money to a porn star with whom you had an affair while your wife was at home caring for your new son
Ask, in a meeting with lawmakers on immigration policy, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?,” referring to Africa, and “Why do we want people from Haiti here? Take them out.”
Make fun of a military flag ceremony
Retweet a doctored photo of yourself with the name of a national news organization splattered on the bottom of your shoe
Continue to call for a criminal investigation of your former political opponent, whom you call the “worst (and biggest) loser of all time” a year after the election
Exploit a White House event honoring Native American veterans to mock a senator with a racially charged slur
Change a critical element of your explanation for firing your national security adviser
Shut down a bogus voter-fraud commission because “Democrat states” refuse to turn over necessary information, even though states with both Democratic and Republican leadership did, and for good reason
Tell your rich friends after your tax bill passes, “You all just got a lot richer”
Boast that you have a higher I.Q. than your secretary of state, who fails to deny that he called you a “moron”
Defend your mental competency by saying that you are “like, really smart” and a “very stable genius”
Tell your attorney general not to recuse himself from overseeing an investigation into your campaign, then when he does anyway, call it “a terrible thing”
Falsely claim that your predecessor failed to contact the families of fallen soldiers, and then exploit the death of your chief of staff’s son to defend yourself
Threaten to take away a TV network’s broadcast license for reporting on your deliberations about the nation’s nuclear arsenal
Threaten to use federal tax law to punish a professional sports league for letting its players express political opinions
Tell reporters that “It’s frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write, and people should look into it”
Warn American citizens in Puerto Rico, only weeks after a catastrophic hurricane, that the federal government can’t help them out “forever,” even as you tell victims of a hurricane in Texas, “We are with you today, we are with you tomorrow, and we will be with you EVERY SINGLE DAY AFTER, to restore, recover, and REBUILD!”
Spend one-third of the first year of your taxpayer-funded presidency visiting your own golf courses or properties
While debating policy with lawmakers on live television, accidentally agree to a deal that is the opposite of what your party wants, get corrected by the House majority leader, and then release an official White House transcript that omits the exchange
Insult people, places and things constantly
Say that your former White House adviser and campaign chief has “lost his mind,” after another former adviser and campaign manager is indicted on money laundering and other federal charges
Claim that a new tax bill you support will “cost me a fortune,” even though it will probably save you millions, but who knows since you refuse to release your tax returns
Fail to grasp the basic science of climate change
Take credit for the fact that no one died on a domestic commercial airliner during your first year in office
Tell attendees at a rally to be “happy you voted for me,” and that they are “so lucky that I gave you that privilege”
Continue to mock foreign leaders by implying that they are, among other things, “short and fat”
After helping to negotiate the release of college athletes arrested in China, say “I should have left them in jail” after the father of one of them — whom you call “the poor man’s version of Don King” — doesn’t express proper gratitude
Get in a Twitter fight with a senator of your own party, during which you mock his height
Praise the delivery to Norway of fighter planes that exist only in a video game
Call for the firing of a journalist who mistakenly tweeted about crowd size at your rally
Decline to invite Jewish Democrats in Congress to the annual White House Hanukkah party
Say that you’re “very frustrated” that you cannot tell the Justice Department what to do, but also claim that “I have absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department.”
Try to stop the publication of a book that says critical things about you and your administration
Tell more than 2,000 lies in a year, or roughly five a day
Tell your advisers that the 15,000 Haitians sent here in 2017 “all have AIDS,” and that Nigerians who saw America would never “go back to their huts”
Blame a domestic terror attack on a senator of the opposing party, and then undermine the prosecution of the attacker by calling publicly for his execution
Falsely claim a rise in British crime is due to “radical Islamic terror”
Accuse an F.B.I. agent of treason without evidence
Watch four to eight hours of cable television a day, mostly the channel that feeds you self-serving propaganda
Say a female senator of the opposing party “would do anything” for your campaign donations
Choose for federal judgeships nominees who cannot identify or explain basic legal concepts, and who were rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Association
Falsely claim that you have signed more legislation than any first-year president, when in fact you have signed less than any post-World War II president
Taunt a foreign leader who claims he has nuclear weapons by saying your “nuclear button” is “a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!”
Criticize a law that your party firmly supports, then, two hours later, reverse yourself
Mock an investigation into whether your campaign colluded with a foreign government to swing the election as a “phony cloud,” a “total hoax,” “fabricated and politically motivated,” a “witch hunt” and an “artificial Democratic hit job” that “makes the country look very bad”and serves as “an excuse for losing an election that they should have won” — oh, and also claim that the Democrats were the real colluders
THAT’S ALL....IN ADDITION TO BEING ABLE TO:
Mock a foreign leader with a demeaning nickname and threaten his country with nuclear annihilation over Twitter
Call for the firing of “son of a bitch” athletes who choose to exercise their right to free speech
Refer to the White House as “a real dump”
Spend the weekend golfing at your private club while the mayor of an American city wades through sewage-filled water to help citizens after a catastrophic hurricane, then accuse that mayor of “poor leadership” when she criticizes your administration’s slow response to the storm
Criticize victims of that hurricane still living without drinking water or electricity by saying they “want everything to be done for them”
During a visit to some of those victims, throw rolls of paper towels at them and tell them they should be “very proud” that only 16 people have died so far, unlike in a “real catastrophe”
Attack a senator battling terminal cancer
Pick nominees to the federal bench who call a sitting Supreme Court justice a “judicial prostitute” and refer to transgender children as part of “Satan’s plan”
Campaign hard for a Senate candidate; then when he appears likely to lose, say “I might have made a mistake” and later delete your tweets supporting him
Behave so erratically and irresponsibly that senators of your own party resort to saying you’re treated like someone at “an adult day-care center” to keep you from starting World War III
Spend one of every three days as president visiting at least one of your own properties
Publicly and privately humiliate your own attorney general for recusing himself from an investigation into your campaign
Say nothing when a foreign leader’s bodyguards brutally attack peaceful protesters in the streets of Washington, D.C.
Tweet GIFs of yourself violently attacking the media and your former political opponent
Encourage police officers not to be “too nice” when apprehending criminal suspects
Help draft a misleading statement about the purpose of a meeting between your son, other top campaign aides and representatives of a rival foreign power intent on interfering in the election
Deliver a speech to the Boy Scouts of America that includes mockery of a former president and winking references to sexual orgies, and then lie by claiming that the head of that organization called and told you it was the best speech ever delivered in Boy Scout history
Hang a framed copy of a fake Time magazine cover celebrating your business acumen in your golf clubs around the world
Mock a female television anchor’s appearance, saying the anchor was “bleeding badly from a face-lift” at a holiday gathering at your private resort
Force your cabinet members to take turns extolling your virtues in front of television cameras
Welcome into the Oval Office a man who threatened to assassinate your predecessor, whom he called a “subhuman mongrel,” and who referred to your political opponent as a “worthless bitch”
Continue to deny that Russia attempted to influence the presidential election, despite the consensus of the American intelligence community — and yet also blame your predecessor for not doing anything to stop that interference
Grant temporary White House press credentials to a website that, among other things, claims that Sept. 11 was an “inside job” and that the massacre of 20 schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., was a hoax
Block people who criticize you on Twitter
Claim that an investigation into your campaign’s possible collusion with a foreign power is “the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!”
Pressure multiple intelligence chiefs to state publicly that there was no collusion between your presidential campaign and the Russian government
Without consulting anyone at the Pentagon, announce a new policy barring transgender soldiers from serving in the military
Pardon a former sheriff who was convicted of criminal contempt of court for refusing to obey the law
Continue to repeat, with admiration, a false story about an American military general committing war crimes
Mock the mayor of a world city for his careful, sober response to a terrorist attack
Tell Americans that a march of torch-carrying white supremacists and neo-Nazis includes “some very fine people” — and when one of those marchers murders a peaceful counterprotester, condemn violence on “both sides”
Run an administration whose ethical standards have, in the words of the federal government’s top ethics enforcer, made the United States “close to a laughingstock”
Hide data that don’t support your pre-existing policy preferences
Admit to trying to intimidate a key witness in a federal investigation
Continue to leave hundreds of executive branch positions unfilled
Profit off the presidency, accepting millions of dollars from foreign government officials, businesses, politicians and other supporters who pay a premium to patronize your properties and get access to you — while also attempting to hide the visitor lists at some of those properties from the public
Promise to drain the swamp, then quietly grant ethics waivers to multiple former industry lobbyists who want to work in your administration
Tell a lie, on average, more than five times a day
Call for criminal investigations of your former political opponent, seven months after winning the election
Appoint your family wedding planner to head a federal housing office
Shove aside a fellow head of state at a photo-op
Attack private citizens on Twitter
Delegitimize federal judges who rule against you
Refuse to take responsibility for military actions gone awry
Fire the F.B.I. chief in the middle of his expanding investigation into your campaign and your associates
Accuse a former president, without evidence, of an impeachable offense
Employ top aides with financial and other connections to a hostile foreign power
Blame the judiciary, in advance, for any terror attacks
Call the media “the enemy of the American people”
Demand personal loyalty from the F.B.I. director
Threaten the former F.B.I. director
Accept foreign payments to your businesses, in possible violation of the Constitution
Occupy the White House with the help of a hostile foreign power
Intimidate congressional witnesses
Allow White House staff members to use their personal email for government business
Claim, without evidence, that millions of people voted illegally
Fail to fire high-ranking members of your national security team for weeks, even after knowing they lied to your vice president and exposed themselves to blackmail
Refuse to release tax returns
Hide the White House visitors’ list from the public
Vacation at one of your private residences nearly every weekend
Use an unsecured personal cellphone
Criticize specific businesses for dropping your family members’ products
Review and discuss highly sensitive intelligence in a restaurant, and allow the Army officer carrying the “nuclear football” to be photographed and identified by name
Obstruct justice
Hire relatives for key White House posts, and let them meet with foreign officials and engage in business at the same time
Promote family businesses on federal government websites
Tweet, tweet, tweet
Collude with members of Congress to try to shut down investigations of you and your associates
Threaten military conflict with other nations in the middle of news interviews
Compare the U.S. intelligence community to Nazis
Display complete ignorance about international relations, your own administration’s policies, American history and the basic structure of our system of government
Skip daily intelligence briefings
Repeat untruths
Share highly classified information with a hostile foreign power without the source’s permission
Lie
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Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
It really seems so much worse when it is itemized like that.
This article tells us nothing we couldn't have guessed, but it shows just how farcical this Presidency is.
‘Negotiating with Jell-O’: How Trump’s shifting positions fueled the rush to a shutdown
This article tells us nothing we couldn't have guessed, but it shows just how farcical this Presidency is.
‘Negotiating with Jell-O’: How Trump’s shifting positions fueled the rush to a shutdown
Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.), speaking to reporters Friday night about his general frustrations with the process, said that “our country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by idiots.”
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Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
the term is kakistocracy.Pruitt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:31 pm It really seems so much worse when it is itemized like that.
This article tells us nothing we couldn't have guessed, but it shows just how farcical this Presidency is.
‘Negotiating with Jell-O’: How Trump’s shifting positions fueled the rush to a shutdown
Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.), speaking to reporters Friday night about his general frustrations with the process, said that “our country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by idiots.”
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Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
The other site was the editorial from today's NyTimes.EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:19 pm Copy / paste from another site:
IF YOU ARE PRESIDENT, YOU MAY NOW:
Imply, without evidence, that a television anchor was involved in a murder
Question the authenticity of a recording of you bragging about sexual assault, even though you previously admitted it was real
Say the F.B.I.’s reputation is “in tatters — worst in history” and call members of the intelligence community “political hacks”
Retweet inflammatory and fake anti-Muslim videos from an ultranationalist British group
Call the American justice system a “joke” and a “laughingstock”
Have your lawyer pay $130,000 in hush money to a porn star with whom you had an affair while your wife was at home caring for your new son
Ask, in a meeting with lawmakers on immigration policy, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?,” referring to Africa, and “Why do we want people from Haiti here? Take them out.”
Make fun of a military flag ceremony
Retweet a doctored photo of yourself with the name of a national news organization splattered on the bottom of your shoe
Continue to call for a criminal investigation of your former political opponent, whom you call the “worst (and biggest) loser of all time” a year after the election
Exploit a White House event honoring Native American veterans to mock a senator with a racially charged slur
Change a critical element of your explanation for firing your national security adviser
Shut down a bogus voter-fraud commission because “Democrat states” refuse to turn over necessary information, even though states with both Democratic and Republican leadership did, and for good reason
Tell your rich friends after your tax bill passes, “You all just got a lot richer”
Boast that you have a higher I.Q. than your secretary of state, who fails to deny that he called you a “moron”
Defend your mental competency by saying that you are “like, really smart” and a “very stable genius”
Tell your attorney general not to recuse himself from overseeing an investigation into your campaign, then when he does anyway, call it “a terrible thing”
Falsely claim that your predecessor failed to contact the families of fallen soldiers, and then exploit the death of your chief of staff’s son to defend yourself
Threaten to take away a TV network’s broadcast license for reporting on your deliberations about the nation’s nuclear arsenal
Threaten to use federal tax law to punish a professional sports league for letting its players express political opinions
Tell reporters that “It’s frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write, and people should look into it”
Warn American citizens in Puerto Rico, only weeks after a catastrophic hurricane, that the federal government can’t help them out “forever,” even as you tell victims of a hurricane in Texas, “We are with you today, we are with you tomorrow, and we will be with you EVERY SINGLE DAY AFTER, to restore, recover, and REBUILD!”
Spend one-third of the first year of your taxpayer-funded presidency visiting your own golf courses or properties
While debating policy with lawmakers on live television, accidentally agree to a deal that is the opposite of what your party wants, get corrected by the House majority leader, and then release an official White House transcript that omits the exchange
Insult people, places and things constantly
Say that your former White House adviser and campaign chief has “lost his mind,” after another former adviser and campaign manager is indicted on money laundering and other federal charges
Claim that a new tax bill you support will “cost me a fortune,” even though it will probably save you millions, but who knows since you refuse to release your tax returns
Fail to grasp the basic science of climate change
Take credit for the fact that no one died on a domestic commercial airliner during your first year in office
Tell attendees at a rally to be “happy you voted for me,” and that they are “so lucky that I gave you that privilege”
Continue to mock foreign leaders by implying that they are, among other things, “short and fat”
After helping to negotiate the release of college athletes arrested in China, say “I should have left them in jail” after the father of one of them — whom you call “the poor man’s version of Don King” — doesn’t express proper gratitude
Get in a Twitter fight with a senator of your own party, during which you mock his height
Praise the delivery to Norway of fighter planes that exist only in a video game
Call for the firing of a journalist who mistakenly tweeted about crowd size at your rally
Decline to invite Jewish Democrats in Congress to the annual White House Hanukkah party
Say that you’re “very frustrated” that you cannot tell the Justice Department what to do, but also claim that “I have absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department.”
Try to stop the publication of a book that says critical things about you and your administration
Tell more than 2,000 lies in a year, or roughly five a day
Tell your advisers that the 15,000 Haitians sent here in 2017 “all have AIDS,” and that Nigerians who saw America would never “go back to their huts”
Blame a domestic terror attack on a senator of the opposing party, and then undermine the prosecution of the attacker by calling publicly for his execution
Falsely claim a rise in British crime is due to “radical Islamic terror”
Accuse an F.B.I. agent of treason without evidence
Watch four to eight hours of cable television a day, mostly the channel that feeds you self-serving propaganda
Say a female senator of the opposing party “would do anything” for your campaign donations
Choose for federal judgeships nominees who cannot identify or explain basic legal concepts, and who were rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Association
Falsely claim that you have signed more legislation than any first-year president, when in fact you have signed less than any post-World War II president
Taunt a foreign leader who claims he has nuclear weapons by saying your “nuclear button” is “a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!”
Criticize a law that your party firmly supports, then, two hours later, reverse yourself
Mock an investigation into whether your campaign colluded with a foreign government to swing the election as a “phony cloud,” a “total hoax,” “fabricated and politically motivated,” a “witch hunt” and an “artificial Democratic hit job” that “makes the country look very bad”and serves as “an excuse for losing an election that they should have won” — oh, and also claim that the Democrats were the real colluders
THAT’S ALL....IN ADDITION TO BEING ABLE TO:
Mock a foreign leader with a demeaning nickname and threaten his country with nuclear annihilation over Twitter
Call for the firing of “son of a bitch” athletes who choose to exercise their right to free speech
Refer to the White House as “a real dump”
Spend the weekend golfing at your private club while the mayor of an American city wades through sewage-filled water to help citizens after a catastrophic hurricane, then accuse that mayor of “poor leadership” when she criticizes your administration’s slow response to the storm
Criticize victims of that hurricane still living without drinking water or electricity by saying they “want everything to be done for them”
During a visit to some of those victims, throw rolls of paper towels at them and tell them they should be “very proud” that only 16 people have died so far, unlike in a “real catastrophe”
Attack a senator battling terminal cancer
Pick nominees to the federal bench who call a sitting Supreme Court justice a “judicial prostitute” and refer to transgender children as part of “Satan’s plan”
Campaign hard for a Senate candidate; then when he appears likely to lose, say “I might have made a mistake” and later delete your tweets supporting him
Behave so erratically and irresponsibly that senators of your own party resort to saying you’re treated like someone at “an adult day-care center” to keep you from starting World War III
Spend one of every three days as president visiting at least one of your own properties
Publicly and privately humiliate your own attorney general for recusing himself from an investigation into your campaign
Say nothing when a foreign leader’s bodyguards brutally attack peaceful protesters in the streets of Washington, D.C.
Tweet GIFs of yourself violently attacking the media and your former political opponent
Encourage police officers not to be “too nice” when apprehending criminal suspects
Help draft a misleading statement about the purpose of a meeting between your son, other top campaign aides and representatives of a rival foreign power intent on interfering in the election
Deliver a speech to the Boy Scouts of America that includes mockery of a former president and winking references to sexual orgies, and then lie by claiming that the head of that organization called and told you it was the best speech ever delivered in Boy Scout history
Hang a framed copy of a fake Time magazine cover celebrating your business acumen in your golf clubs around the world
Mock a female television anchor’s appearance, saying the anchor was “bleeding badly from a face-lift” at a holiday gathering at your private resort
Force your cabinet members to take turns extolling your virtues in front of television cameras
Welcome into the Oval Office a man who threatened to assassinate your predecessor, whom he called a “subhuman mongrel,” and who referred to your political opponent as a “worthless bitch”
Continue to deny that Russia attempted to influence the presidential election, despite the consensus of the American intelligence community — and yet also blame your predecessor for not doing anything to stop that interference
Grant temporary White House press credentials to a website that, among other things, claims that Sept. 11 was an “inside job” and that the massacre of 20 schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., was a hoax
Block people who criticize you on Twitter
Claim that an investigation into your campaign’s possible collusion with a foreign power is “the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!”
Pressure multiple intelligence chiefs to state publicly that there was no collusion between your presidential campaign and the Russian government
Without consulting anyone at the Pentagon, announce a new policy barring transgender soldiers from serving in the military
Pardon a former sheriff who was convicted of criminal contempt of court for refusing to obey the law
Continue to repeat, with admiration, a false story about an American military general committing war crimes
Mock the mayor of a world city for his careful, sober response to a terrorist attack
Tell Americans that a march of torch-carrying white supremacists and neo-Nazis includes “some very fine people” — and when one of those marchers murders a peaceful counterprotester, condemn violence on “both sides”
Run an administration whose ethical standards have, in the words of the federal government’s top ethics enforcer, made the United States “close to a laughingstock”
Hide data that don’t support your pre-existing policy preferences
Admit to trying to intimidate a key witness in a federal investigation
Continue to leave hundreds of executive branch positions unfilled
Profit off the presidency, accepting millions of dollars from foreign government officials, businesses, politicians and other supporters who pay a premium to patronize your properties and get access to you — while also attempting to hide the visitor lists at some of those properties from the public
Promise to drain the swamp, then quietly grant ethics waivers to multiple former industry lobbyists who want to work in your administration
Tell a lie, on average, more than five times a day
Call for criminal investigations of your former political opponent, seven months after winning the election
Appoint your family wedding planner to head a federal housing office
Shove aside a fellow head of state at a photo-op
Attack private citizens on Twitter
Delegitimize federal judges who rule against you
Refuse to take responsibility for military actions gone awry
Fire the F.B.I. chief in the middle of his expanding investigation into your campaign and your associates
Accuse a former president, without evidence, of an impeachable offense
Employ top aides with financial and other connections to a hostile foreign power
Blame the judiciary, in advance, for any terror attacks
Call the media “the enemy of the American people”
Demand personal loyalty from the F.B.I. director
Threaten the former F.B.I. director
Accept foreign payments to your businesses, in possible violation of the Constitution
Occupy the White House with the help of a hostile foreign power
Intimidate congressional witnesses
Allow White House staff members to use their personal email for government business
Claim, without evidence, that millions of people voted illegally
Fail to fire high-ranking members of your national security team for weeks, even after knowing they lied to your vice president and exposed themselves to blackmail
Refuse to release tax returns
Hide the White House visitors’ list from the public
Vacation at one of your private residences nearly every weekend
Use an unsecured personal cellphone
Criticize specific businesses for dropping your family members’ products
Review and discuss highly sensitive intelligence in a restaurant, and allow the Army officer carrying the “nuclear football” to be photographed and identified by name
Obstruct justice
Hire relatives for key White House posts, and let them meet with foreign officials and engage in business at the same time
Promote family businesses on federal government websites
Tweet, tweet, tweet
Collude with members of Congress to try to shut down investigations of you and your associates
Threaten military conflict with other nations in the middle of news interviews
Compare the U.S. intelligence community to Nazis
Display complete ignorance about international relations, your own administration’s policies, American history and the basic structure of our system of government
Skip daily intelligence briefings
Repeat untruths
Share highly classified information with a hostile foreign power without the source’s permission
Lie
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
many yeara ago when I turned 21 one of the gifts I recieved was a lifetime membership to the NRA. I am now so thoroughly disgusted by the organization that Ive been unsuccessfully googling how to revoke a lifetime membership in the NRA. as of yet I havent found a way to do it, but I hopeI figure it out soon. Things have gone to shit. Yes I own guns and yes I believe in the sexond amendment, but I dont want to support an organization like that anymore. I hate the things I used to think about America and I hate the things I think about it now even more.
MOTHERFUCKING 2017 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!!!Gunpowder wrote:you transcend douchedom.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Honestly, I copied and pasted it from another forum. Had I known it was part of an OpEd, I would’ve attributed it as such.DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:55 pm The other site was the editorial from today's NyTimes.
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Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Every. Single. Fucking. Day. I. Lament. How. In. The. Fuck. We. Got. Here.
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Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Dude. That's crazy. What the fuck.
He watches something other than Fox & Friends.
He watches something other than Fox & Friends.
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EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
And it goes without saying, Senator Tammy Duckworth is a fucking boss.
God damn, that's beautiful."I will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five-deferment draft-dodger," Duckworth said during a speech on the Senate floor. "And I have a message for cadet bone spurs: If you cared about our military, you'd stop baiting Kim Jong Un into a war that could put 85,000 American troops and millions of innocent civilians in danger."
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Okay why is Stephen Miller involved in anything? The guy is a total loose cannon, no wonder there’s such a mess. Can’t believe that guy is even in the White House to begin with, nevermind in charge of negotiating something so important.
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degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:54 pm
Okay why is Stephen Miller involved in anything? The guy is a total loose cannon, no wonder there’s such a mess. Can’t believe that guy is even in the White House to begin with, nevermind in charge of negotiating something so important.
You could swap out the name, and replace it with almost every person working in the White House. Fuck, Rick Perry is in charge of our nuclear arsenal, Jared is in charge of Middle East peace and 12 other major tasks, Kellyanne Conway is in charge of the opioid epidemic... Manafort, Lewandowski and Bannon were in charge of his campaign... Almost everyone Trump hired is a complete clusterfuck. Omarossa, FFS! In fairness, capable people refuse to work for Trump, so that makes it difficult, but he seeks people who are just like him, so yeah, lots of incompetent idiots with no intellectual curiosity to actually understand the issues they are in charge of handling.
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Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
and even the people thought to be competent, like Kelly, who torpedoed the deal that would have avoided a shutdown.The Sybian wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:39 pmdegenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:54 pm
Okay why is Stephen Miller involved in anything? The guy is a total loose cannon, no wonder there’s such a mess. Can’t believe that guy is even in the White House to begin with, nevermind in charge of negotiating something so important.
You could swap out the name, and replace it with almost every person working in the White House. Fuck, Rick Perry is in charge of our nuclear arsenal, Jared is in charge of Middle East peace and 12 other major tasks, Kellyanne Conway is in charge of the opioid epidemic... Manafort, Lewandowski and Bannon were in charge of his campaign... Almost everyone Trump hired is a complete clusterfuck. Omarossa, FFS! In fairness, capable people refuse to work for Trump, so that makes it difficult, but he seeks people who are just like him, so yeah, lots of incompetent idiots with no intellectual curiosity to actually understand the issues they are in charge of handling.
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I see a lot of Dems on Twitter complaining about this deal, but it extends CHIP and at least gets McConnell on the record as agreeing to put DACA up for a vote. I don't see the need to keep the federal government closed for more than that. If Turtle McTurtleson is negotiating in bad faith, then we'll be right back here again in three weeks.
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I think it comes down to whether there was anything bad in this bill (such as approval for the Wall).brian wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:53 pm I see a lot of Dems on Twitter complaining about this deal, but it extends CHIP and at least gets McConnell on the record as agreeing to put DACA up for a vote. I don't see the need to keep the federal government closed for more than that. If Turtle McTurtleson is negotiating in bad faith, then we'll be right back here again in three weeks.
Otherwise I think this is a great move, because CHIP is now funded for six years. (Of course, no one I know is likely to be deported in the next three weeks.)
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Did they agree to fund the wall in this current bill?
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I don't know for sure, but I thought that's what Schumer was allowing as a trade-off.
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Not that I've seen. But as usual I think Charles Pierce nails it.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:57 pmDid they agree to fund the wall in this current bill?
My tepid support for this deal is based not on faith in McConnell or Trump to negotiate honestly, but mostly on the fact that the Dems didn't really give up anything to get it. They got CHIP off the table as a negotiating tactic and just moved the clock forward a few weeks. I think the Republicans still somehow think that their messaging is working and the Dems are being blamed for this shutdown, but they're not and they won't be three weeks from now either.
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yeah, I don't understand the bitching about it either. I'm also grudgingly OK with (while being morally opposed to) wall funding being included if it's only $1.6B. It's a massive fucking waste that could be positively used 1000s of different ways, but it also feels like a small enough amount that it'll be inconsequential.brian wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:02 pmNot that I've seen. But as usual I think Charles Pierce nails it.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:57 pmDid they agree to fund the wall in this current bill?
My tepid support for this deal is based not on faith in McConnell or Trump to negotiate honestly, but mostly on the fact that the Dems didn't really give up anything to get it. They got CHIP off the table as a negotiating tactic and just moved the clock forward a few weeks. I think the Republicans still somehow think that their messaging is working and the Dems are being blamed for this shutdown, but they're not and they won't be three weeks from now either.
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To me, it's not about trusting McConnell. It's about the millions of people who rely on CHIP for health care for their kids. Every one of them will sleep easier tonight.
Bringing healthcare to millions of people is a huge liberal accomplishment.
Bringing healthcare to millions of people is a huge liberal accomplishment.
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And the government is re-open. I don't agree with using people's incomes and lives as a negotiating tactic unlike the Republicans.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:34 pm To me, it's not about trusting McConnell. It's about the millions of people who rely on CHIP for health care for their kids. Every one of them will sleep easier tonight.
Bringing healthcare to millions of people is a huge liberal accomplishment.
The GOP promised a good-faith negotiation on DACA and if they don't live up to that, that's another thing they'll pay for in November.
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Reverse view, isn't this "the Dems agreed to fund the wall and kicked the can on one thing already in existence in exchange for keeping a different thing already in existence"?Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:34 pm To me, it's not about trusting McConnell. It's about the millions of people who rely on CHIP for health care for their kids. Every one of them will sleep easier tonight.
Bringing healthcare to millions of people is a huge liberal accomplishment.
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I don't remember how, but I am on The Donald's mailing list. I find it hilarious, so I never unsubscribed. Here's what they are saying today:
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YOU are the reason our government is back open.
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But during this shutdown, Pelosi raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from her radical base that wants unchecked illegal immigration.
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*If* they agreed to fund the wall. Do you have a link for that? Because I've been looking and can't really find anything that clearly says one way or the other.mister d wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:52 pmReverse view, isn't this "the Dems agreed to fund the wall and kicked the can on one thing already in existence in exchange for keeping a different thing already in existence"?Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:34 pm To me, it's not about trusting McConnell. It's about the millions of people who rely on CHIP for health care for their kids. Every one of them will sleep easier tonight.
Bringing healthcare to millions of people is a huge liberal accomplishment.
And even then, the fact that CHIP is "already in existence" doesn't give much comfort to the vulnerable people relying on it who have received notices that because CHIP expired four months ago, services are going to stop as soon as funds run out, which will be any day now.
It sucks being in the minority.
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You might be right, it was apparently an offer before the shutdown and I can't find anything saying it was the trade-off here.
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Again, take it with a grain of salt because Krugman kinda sucks, etc., etc., but this is pretty much my understanding.
Given the GOP's ability to shoot itself in the foot, giving it another deadline to meet is not the dumbest play.
Given the GOP's ability to shoot itself in the foot, giving it another deadline to meet is not the dumbest play.
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What really appalls me is that so many liberal folks on Twitter are not even acknowledging CHIP - or the people who rely on CHIP. They just see this as a surrender.
Also, unless I'm missing something, this six-year CHIP expansion is not being paired with cuts in other health care spending. Previous Republican "offers" to extend CHIP required spending reductions on Medicaid or other programs.
Also, unless I'm missing something, this six-year CHIP expansion is not being paired with cuts in other health care spending. Previous Republican "offers" to extend CHIP required spending reductions on Medicaid or other programs.
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I suppose it's good in a way that the base is energized, but negotiation is not capitulation. Especially with another deadline three weeks away. If you're looking at this from a glass half full perspective it's more evidence that there's a huge tide coming in November (assuming something crazy doesn't happen before then).Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:55 pm What really appalls me is that so many liberal folks on Twitter are not even acknowledging CHIP - or the people who rely on CHIP. They just see this as a surrender.
Also, unless I'm missing something, this six-year CHIP expansion is not being paired with cuts in other health care spending. Previous Republican "offers" to extend CHIP required spending reductions on Medicaid or other programs.
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I think the judicial rulings about gerrymandering in both PA and NC tend to support that notion (at least in an ancillary sense, anyway)..
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"48 petitions a second" is 2,880 a minute, 172,800 an hour and 4,147,200 per day.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:53 pm I don't remember how, but I am on The Donald's mailing list. I find it hilarious, so I never unsubscribed. Here's what they are saying today:
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YOU are the reason our government is back open.
Ever since the Schumer Shutdown, we received 48 petitions per second from Americans like you, demanding Democrats stop holding our military hostage to give amnesty to illegal immigrants.
Democrats in red states we won big league saw how ANGRY you were with their disgusting tactics, and couldn’t go on any longer. This is how we win -- by rallying together and fighting!
But during this shutdown, Pelosi raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from her radical base that wants unchecked illegal immigration.
We can’t let them get away with it. We will never forget the names of EVERY single liberal obstructionist responsible for this disgusting shut down, and we will work to FIRE them come November.
CONTRIBUTE $1
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That's a lot of petitions.
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Russia's a big country.Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:30 pm"48 petitions a second" is 2,880 a minute, 172,800 an hour and 4,147,200 per day.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:53 pm I don't remember how, but I am on The Donald's mailing list. I find it hilarious, so I never unsubscribed. Here's what they are saying today:
Friend,
YOU are the reason our government is back open.
Ever since the Schumer Shutdown, we received 48 petitions per second from Americans like you, demanding Democrats stop holding our military hostage to give amnesty to illegal immigrants.
Democrats in red states we won big league saw how ANGRY you were with their disgusting tactics, and couldn’t go on any longer. This is how we win -- by rallying together and fighting!
But during this shutdown, Pelosi raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from her radical base that wants unchecked illegal immigration.
We can’t let them get away with it. We will never forget the names of EVERY single liberal obstructionist responsible for this disgusting shut down, and we will work to FIRE them come November.
CONTRIBUTE $1
Thank YOU,
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President of the United States
That's a lot of petitions.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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My problem with all of this, is the Republicans refused to continue funding CHIP in order to use it as a bargaining, well, chip, to get other shit they couldn't get passed. Same with DACA, Trump created the DACA crisis, said he wants to see Congress pass a Dreamers Act, Many GOP Congressmen agreed we need to protect the Dreamers, then blame the Dems for the shutdown. McCaskill tried to pass funding for the military during a shutdown, McConnell refuses to allow it to go to a vote, then the Right blames the Dems for our servicemen going unpaid. It's fucking lunacy, and I see smart people falling for it, screaming about how the Dems hate the government, don't care about kids on CHIP... Seriously, it's the Dems who don't want to provide poor children with government sponsored health care? How fucking stupid are people?Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:55 pm What really appalls me is that so many liberal folks on Twitter are not even acknowledging CHIP - or the people who rely on CHIP. They just see this as a surrender.
Also, unless I'm missing something, this six-year CHIP expansion is not being paired with cuts in other health care spending. Previous Republican "offers" to extend CHIP required spending reductions on Medicaid or other programs.
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