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Johnny Carwash wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:13 am So, looking to get into photography a little more seriously and in the market for a camera.

Thinking of a DSLR, something in the "dedicated hobbyist" range. Don't want to break the bank, but something that could pass for borderline professional if I figure out what I'm doing.

Also looking for something with video capability as well.

So, questions:
- What's a reasonable price range based on the above?
- Any brands/specific models to recommend?
- What other basic equipment should I be looking at to start? Lenses, etc., plus other gear like a bag/strap...
- Any recommended books/courses? I have a few of the standard Dummies guides, but wondering if there's anything else that would be a good intro.
- Anything else to consider?

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Are you a Costco (or Sam's Club or BJ's) member? If so, check out their DSLR camera packages. They usually come with the camera body, two lenses, bag and straps and a memory card and other peripherals for less than $1,000. They're pretty good deals.

I'll answer your other questions, but what you want to buy will depend on what you intend to shoot. Are you doing nature photography? Still lifes? Urban architecture? That will influence your decision on what to buy.

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1. Prices will vary greatly, depending on the camera specs. Almost all DSLRs can shoot video, too. Camera bodies likely will cost in the $300-$500 range, and lenses can vary from $100 to $10,000.

2. Canon or Nikon are the most common DSLR camera manufacturers. Nikon was considered the cream of the crop for actual film photography, but I believe Canon is now considered the best with the evolution to digital photography. At least this is what my photojournalist friend tells me.

3. Buy a polarizing filter for every lens you buy. It will reduce glare in your images (especially with water) and protect the lens surface. If you don't want a polarizing filter, then at least buy a clear filter to protect your lens. One small scratch can run a very expensive lens.

4. There are tons of photo books and courses out there. KelbyOne.com is a good choice. But just learn the basics of photography (proper exposure and aperture, rule of thirds, usually shoot with the sun at your back, etc.) and experiment. Digital cameras are ideal for learning since you can simply delete your bad shots. And trust me, you'll take a ton of bad shots.
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Johnny Carwash wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:13 am So, looking to get into photography a little more seriously and in the market for a camera.

Thinking of a DSLR, something in the "dedicated hobbyist" range. Don't want to break the bank, but something that could pass for borderline professional if I figure out what I'm doing.

Also looking for something with video capability as well.

So, questions:
- What's a reasonable price range based on the above?
- Any brands/specific models to recommend?
- What other basic equipment should I be looking at to start? Lenses, etc., plus other gear like a bag/strap...
- Any recommended books/courses? I have a few of the standard Dummies guides, but wondering if there's anything else that would be a good intro.
- Anything else to consider?

Obligatory: No, it's not for porn.
What kind of photography are you interested in?
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Thanks Sabo, that's some great input. I will look into those things.
P.D.X. wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:38 am What kind of photography are you interested in?
Right now I'm thinking of starting out with a focus on nature and architecture, especially when I travel.

I mentioned video because I'd eventually like to experiment with filmmaking to some degree, using still photography to get grounded on basic shooting/compositional techniques.
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Johnny Carwash wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:22 am Thanks Sabo, that's some great input. I will look into those things.
P.D.X. wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:38 am What kind of photography are you interested in?
Right now I'm thinking of starting out with a focus on nature and architecture, especially when I travel.

I mentioned video because I'd eventually like to experiment with filmmaking to some degree, using still photography to get grounded on basic shooting/compositional techniques.
Cool. I have lots of words that I'll type in later.
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So my wife did the professional photography thing for ~10 years. Mostly fun family portrait in outdoor locations. Loves her Cannon. She never upgraded (so no video). My biggest issue was the fact that she would not invest in lens that I could then use the camera for sports photography. I still got great photos but miss the zoom I could get.

Things that I learned from her
1.) Good flashes make a difference. The ability to control the lighting is huge. We have a bunch of external flashes that can be linked to the camera. So you can push the light source where you want. Similar with on camera flashes, where you can bounce the light off of walls
2.) A good functional strap is huge
3.) These cameras and flashes EAT up batterys. My wife never went external battery pack but rolled with a case of rechargeable double and triple A batteries in her gear bag. She did not like the added weight of the external battery pack.
4.) A color calibration tool for your computer makes a big difference if you are printing photos.
5.) The printer you use for your photos also makes a HUGE difference. We have used them all and it is a smaller market than it used to be. The adorama folks were our favorite. I believe they are orthodox jews, so your friday night/saturday/jewish holiday customer service-photo processing is impacted.

There are some really good online courses for photography too. I think GreatCourses has a good one but you can probably get a solid free one via Coursera or Edx too.
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P.D.X. wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:59 am
Johnny Carwash wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:22 am Thanks Sabo, that's some great input. I will look into those things.
P.D.X. wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:38 am What kind of photography are you interested in?
Right now I'm thinking of starting out with a focus on nature and architecture, especially when I travel.

I mentioned video because I'd eventually like to experiment with filmmaking to some degree, using still photography to get grounded on basic shooting/compositional techniques.
Cool. I have lots of words that I'll type in later.
- I'd only consider Nikon or Canon. You won't see any pros shooting with anything else (unless you get into different camera formats for fashion, fine arts, etc.) You're not just buying a camera, you're buying into a system. Personally, I prefer Nikon, and their dSLR's in the consumer-prosumer range have traditionally been better than Canon. (Canon is better at the point-and-shoot market and their high-performance professional bodies seemed to be favored by sports photogs) I also prefer their ergonomics and interfaces. Also, their lenses are generally considered superior and you get more compatibility throughout the Nikon system. (Newer cameras can still use lenses from the 50's.)

- If I was starting over, I'd buy a kit that includes the body and one general purpose lens (this will probably be like a 18-70mm zoom) and then separately purchase an ultra-wide angle zoom (10-16mm), and a telephoto. It's the last of these that's going to be the most challenging, as anything in the consumer price range won't be great for sports/wildlife and anything else is going to be heavy and expensive. I worked around this buy buying a used 300mm F4 (biggest lens I'll probably ever own) and a used 70-210mm F4 for about $650 total. 300mm is about the minimum focal length you'd need to get decent wildlife shots (especially birds). You'll need the ultra-wide zoom for architecture (particularly interiors) and street photography. (Highly recommend something with a max aperture of F2.8)

- Dusk is the best time to shoot architecture, which means you'll want a tripod for longer exposures. If you end up getting a large lens for wildlife, you'll want a monopod. Manfrotto is a good brand for these.

- I don't use a camera bag when I travel overseas because I don't want to look like I'm carrying camera equipment. I got one of these and I'll put it in either a daypack or Timbuktu shoulder bag.

- I also don't use the standard neck straps, because they're awful. I do use this however. It's much better if you're hiking or have to be nimble. You can click your camera out of it or just shoot with it attached. So much more comfortable.

- Filters. I use a polarizing filter occasionally (usually midday shooting when the sun is washing everything out). I'd say budget for one that will fit on your general-purpose lens (or your largest lens, and then you can purchase step-up rings which will allow you to attach it to smaller lenses. They're great for city and landscape shooting but not great for wildlife (unless there's reflecting water involved). I don't use a UV or protective filter. If you're using your lens hoods (and you should be), that's pretty effective for keeping stuff away from the glass surface. I also shoot towards the sun a lot and any filter will add additional undesirable flare/ghosting.

- You'll want to shoot in RAW and do the post-processing in Adobe Lightroom. Pretty much the standard industry software.

Here's a couple of websites that are good for learning stuff:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/index.htm

http://www.earthboundlight.com
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We bought a Nikon D-60 about ten years ago. It's been great.

It came with a 55mm-200mm lens and a 18-55 lens. Then we added a couple of macro filters for extreme closeups of flowers etc.
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No hipster Leica recommendation, PDX?
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govmentchedda wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:38 pm No hipster Leica recommendation, PDX?
Those things are expensive!
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If you're shooting in RAW (which I agree is preferable if you're looking to really do good shit) I would say don't be afraid to delete anything that isn't good. Will eat up drive space like crazy real fast.

And come up with some kind of organization system for files NOW before you have a million shots. Lightroom is good for this.
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Lots of great advice everyone, appreciate it.

Would this seem like a good one to start? Nikon D3400
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I like Nikon and yes, that one has what you need to get started for sure.

Also, don't be afraid to go rent lenses from a local camera store when you're trying out something new.
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Johnny Carwash wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:08 am Lots of great advice everyone, appreciate it.

Would this seem like a good one to start? Nikon D3400
I think that would be fine for a starter package. If you have a camera shop around you can always go in and play with the different models.

Also, here's a refurbed set for $140 less.
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Got the Nikon D3400 this weekend and had a chance to try it out when visiting my parents', where there's a good amount of wildlife around. Just using the auto-settings so far as I work on learning more, but I think a few came out pretty well.

Full album with some more here

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Solid. If you really want to up your game, do some research on the rule of thirds. Makes photos pop.
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Great shots. Love the chipmunk.

As for the "rule of thirds" and the like, my son the design student has become remarkably pedantic in terms of photography. I sent him a nice shot of the dog on a foggy day at the golf course, and he sent it back after retouching it.
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Learning a little more. Found this site where the guy has cheat sheets for recommended camera settings in different scenarios. Practiced putting these to use at a nearby state park this weekend. Full album

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Very moody shots. I really like this one...

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I like the gull. Hard to get birds in flight. Did you have it on continuous shutter release and pick the best one or are you a savant?
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Those are nice carwash. And I'm intrigued by the cheat cards guy. I've muddled through with my camera since getting it Xmas 2016, and do fine with soccer pictures and artsy dog glamour shots, but I've been sitting on a free lesson from the shop where my wife bought the camera and feel like I could be doing more.
A_B wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:09 am I like the gull. Hard to get birds in flight...
I got this one on my cell phone a couple of summers ago, and always liked how it managed to catch all of them in frame.

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Johnny Carwash wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:42 am Learning a little more. Found this site where the guy has cheat sheets for recommended camera settings in different scenarios. Practiced putting these to use at a nearby state park this weekend. Full album

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Are you using any post-processing software? There's a few things you can do to make cloudy-day shots pop a bit more. If not, you might want to look into how to adjust the white balance in-camera. Clouds tend to give a blue cast, and if you correct for it you can generally get snappier colors. (In the olden days you'd literally use an amber-colored warming filter.)
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A_B wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:09 amI like the gull. Hard to get birds in flight. Did you have it on continuous shutter release and pick the best one or are you a savant?
I took a bunch of pictures in quick succession as it flew by (several passes) and lucked out with that one.

rass's photo is cool too.

P.D.X. wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:55 amAre you using any post-processing software? There's a few things you can do to make cloudy-day shots pop a bit more. If not, you might want to look into how to adjust the white balance in-camera. Clouds tend to give a blue cast, and if you correct for it you can generally get snappier colors. (In the olden days you'd literally use an amber-colored warming filter.)
For the first one I actually used Gimp to do some auto-adjustments. Here's what it looked like originally:

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Have been meaning to ask about Lightroom. Is there that much more you can do with it than something like Gimp that would make it worth the investment to a non-professional?
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I hate Gimp. A lot. I am currently doing the monthly Adobe Creative Cloud thing that gives me PS/Lightroom and gives my daughter their animation software for what I feel is a reasonable monthly fee. You can probably do everything you want to do in Gimp, but (for me) it will be more time consuming and dramatically more annoying.
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Yeah I'm not familiar with Gimp at all. Lightroom, imho, is indispensable.
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A few random questions as I'm learning more:

1. Lens hoods: How important are they? I don't have one yet. Do you prefer the flexible rubber ones or regular? Is using them in combination with filters overkill?

2. How cautious are you in general with protecting your lenses? Since I got my first set of filters I've been using them 100% of the time. Is there any time it would be preferable to leave a lens bare?

3. I wanted to get this cube bag PDX had recommended, but it's backordered. Any alternate ideas for stowing a camera safely in a non-camera bag?

4. Tripods: Haven't gotten one yet, but have a question. What is the optimal height to set it when using? Or does it vary by the scenario?
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1. Lens hoods are most useful if you're taking pictures while facing the sun. The hood will reduce the amount of glare in the image. My camera lens doesn't have a hood, and it hasn't been a problem whatsoever.

2. Very cautious. Lenses are expensive, so it's best to treat them with TLC.

4. It all depends on what you're shooting. If the subject is on the ground, then mount it low. Otherwise, I set my tripod up so I can look through the viewfinder while standing up straight.
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Johnny Carwash wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:30 am A few random questions as I'm learning more:

1. Lens hoods: How important are they? I don't have one yet. Do you prefer the flexible rubber ones or regular? Is using them in combination with filters overkill?

2. How cautious are you in general with protecting your lenses? Since I got my first set of filters I've been using them 100% of the time. Is there any time it would be preferable to leave a lens bare?

3. I wanted to get this cube bag PDX had recommended, but it's backordered. Any alternate ideas for stowing a camera safely in a non-camera bag?

4. Tripods: Haven't gotten one yet, but have a question. What is the optimal height to set it when using? Or does it vary by the scenario?
1. http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototip ... trast.html

I also think they're good for lens protection. It keeps stuff from inadvertently touch your glass. Lenses have specific hoods to match to them (although there may be 3rd party hoods for the more common Nikon lenses), so just go with whatever the correct one is. Only one lens I have (50mm 1.8) has a rubber hood. It's nice because its collapsible and fits in a camera bag easily. No problem combining them with filters.

2. I always go bare unless I'm at a windy beach (sand + salt = bad). If you do use a UV filter, the time to remove it is when shooting towards the sun or other light sources.

3. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... added.html

4. If you're not setting it lower for compositional purposes, it should just come up to your eye in your natural standing position. Also, height adjustments should always be made with the legs first, and center column second.
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I felt aswirl with warm secretions.
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Crap. Meant to put that in the Sports Photography thread...
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That looks like an absolute pain in the ass. He's very dedicated.
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The Budapest shots on the ‘gram are the shit, JC
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Ryan wrote: Thu May 17, 2018 5:32 pm The Budapest shots on the ‘gram are the shit, JC
Thanks. And thanks to those of you guys I see giving me likes on a regular basis.

Now I just need to figure out a way to get thousands of followers, other than "be a woman with a hot ass."
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Shit. I thought you were a woman with a hot ass.
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Johnny Carwash wrote: Thu May 17, 2018 9:02 pm
Ryan wrote: Thu May 17, 2018 5:32 pm The Budapest shots on the ‘gram are the shit, JC
Thanks. And thanks to those of you guys I see giving me likes on a regular basis.

Now I just need to figure out a way to get thousands of followers, other than "be a woman with a hot ass."
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govmentchedda wrote: Thu May 17, 2018 10:22 pm IG handle?
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Another thing I meant to mention a while back. I like using a white balance card. Can be really useful if you are looking to get into post processing your files much.
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Johnny Carwash wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 5:53 am
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