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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... usion.html

While I don't know if I buy the notion that Trump is some kind of sleeper agent, this article sure makes a compelling case that Trump is working for Putin. And that the Republican establishment has been fully aware of Trump's ties and affinity for Putin long before he won the nomination.

They would rather win an election knowing the guy coming into office has weird ass ties to Putin than lose to the Democrats.

I know folks on here have said that in the past, but this article will make your blood boil.
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RSmith wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:38 am
Gunpowder wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:18 am
RSmith wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:00 am
Gunpowder wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:44 am 3. Trump would survive the pee tape if hookers only pissed on each other in a vacuum, but he isn't in a vacuum anymore. One. it would be the clearest lie he's told yet and visible to everyone. Only the staunchest dipshits would be defending him on this, IMO. Of course, that's probably a solid 20% of the country, which is the real problem, but still. Two, it would lend serious credence to the view that he's being controlled by Russia under threat of blackmail. That's like red flag impeachable and he's already on a ledge. I think a piss tape would get him pushed off that ledge.

4. Even if the pee tape isn't real, I guarantee that Trump did something with hookers (even if he just watched them hook) and even if there isn't a tape, he THINKS that there is. And that's really the same thing.
Depends on how smart he is. Hardware horsepower and video/image editing algorithms have advanced to the point that it is now legitimately possible to synthesize what appears to be an actual full-motion video of pretty much anyone, doing pretty much anything. This has actually been personally demonstrated to me by people working in related areas (and that was a few years ago).

Now, if such a tape were released of Trump, I've no doubt it would be legitimate. But the fact that it could *feasibly* be fake, combined with the fact that as president, he is an obvious target, would give his supporters/trolls all that they need to continue deluding themselves. I think it could conceivably not so much as dent his approval rating, if he denied it in strongest terms.

Why haven't fake real videos been made with relative regularity to attack people?
Maybe I'm understating a bit; the horsepower, and level of skill, required it still substantial. You need access to a pretty significant cluster to make it feasible, or at least that was the case at the time I was shown the presentation. But it's something a hostile state with a well-developed computational science program should not have a problem with.
Something like this, only moreso, at least as I remember it. It's very much a research-class problem, but entirely possible.
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We're talking about global elites and world governments here. If it were easy enough to prove in a presentation, I'm sure they could swing it. North Korea has nukes. It's probably harder to make nukes than truly believable, undetectable fake videos.
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Gunpowder wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:56 am We're talking about global elites and world governments here. If it were easy enough to prove in a presentation, I'm sure they could swing it. North Korea has nukes. It's probably harder to make nukes than truly believable, undetectable fake videos.
Right, that's my point.
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I just want to call out something important from that article:

Donald Trump is one of the most susceptible men on the planet to being blackmailed. We are seeing it again today with the payment to McDougal. The payment to Stormy is well-chronicled. He is OBVIOUSLY loath to have his sexual proclivities aired.

So, do I think the Russians have "something" on Trump?

99 percent sure. Nothing is 100 percent, but holy shit is he acting like a guy that is being handled by Putin. He is doing EVERYTHING Putin would want:

* - Dividing the American people using a hyper nationalist platform.
* - Praising Putin and Russia, even congratulating him for what the world knows is a rigged election.
* - He fought tooth and nail against the sanctions, which only got his signature because it was veto proof.. And he waited 4 days to sign them.
* - Many of the sanctions aren't being adhered to.
* - Splitting up Europe and attempting to scupper NATO.
* - Creating a trade war that will destabilize the global economy, which allows Putin to operate more freely.
* - He's got us fighting with fucking CANADA, ffs.
* - And now he's having summit after summit to further raise the profile of Putin, who is desperate to for this kind of affirmation.
* - He unilaterally told NK that the US would halt joint exercises with SK... Again, weakening or causing tension with a key ally.

I'm sure I'm missing some. But look at that fucking tire fire.
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And every day I wake up and wonder how like 1/3 of this country can be so fucking dumb as to willingly, for no personal gain, follow along with and defend him.
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Trump is now tweeting directly from Russian news sources about Hillary. He is not just reaping the benefits of Russian disinformation he is actively participating in and using Russian state media as his own propaganda or maybe the other way around and Putin is using Trump to spread his propaganda.

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mister d wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:01 am And every day I wake up and wonder how like 1/3 of this country can be so fucking dumb as to willingly, for no personal gain, follow along with and defend him.
I always equate it to being in a classroom in gradeschool and learning about the bell curve of A through F students. On average, there's a small cohort of excellent students and a small cohort of failing students. Everyone else is in the middle. And normally that middle gets insecure about not being smart enough and looked at as a lesser grouping. They take it out on the smaller, more intelligent grouping.

Ultimately, there are just some people on this planet who will never acquire the self awareness to understand how truly stupid they're viewpoints are. (Anosognosia, Dunning-Kruger..etc.)

And in the end, everyone gets to vote. Add in the nuance of it now being "my team" v "your team" tribalism and that's where we are.
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degenerasian wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:14 am Trump is now tweeting directly from Russian news sources about Hillary. He is not just reaping the benefits of Russian disinformation he is actively participating in and using Russian state media as his own propaganda or maybe the other way around and Putin is using Trump to spread his propaganda.

He's been doing this (taking from RT and Sputnik) for a loooooong time. That's another thing I could've added to my list.

He is using Russian/Putin's talking points about NATO, Europe and nationalist politics routinely, going back to the late 80s.
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Oh yeah, going after the free press and the basic institutions of our government. That's Putin 101.
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mister d wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:01 am And every day I wake up and wonder how like 1/3 of this country can be so fucking dumb as to willingly, for no personal gain, follow along with and defend him.
On the other hand, if your political interests are primarily motivated by (1) overturning Roe v. Wade; (2) deregulating businesses to give them free rein; (3) tax cuts to make the rich even richer; or (4) animus towards Islam, Latinos or African-Americans, then Trump has been a pretty damn good President for you. I think that the majority of Trump supporters are neither dumb not duped; they just have values and priorities that are anathema to political liberals.
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Joe K wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:27 am
mister d wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:01 am And every day I wake up and wonder how like 1/3 of this country can be so fucking dumb as to willingly, for no personal gain, follow along with and defend him.
On the other hand, if your political interests are primarily motivated by (1) overturning Roe v. Wade; (2) deregulating businesses to give them free rein; (3) tax cuts to make the rich even richer; or (4) animus towards Islam, Latinos or African-Americans, then Trump has been a pretty damn good President for you. I think that the majority of Trump supporters are neither dumb not duped; they just have values and priorities that are anathema to political liberals.
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I say again the Republican bases has 4 pillars: Pro-life, pro-guns, anti-taxes, anti-immigration. Fox news and talk radio hammers this point every single hour of every single day.

The Democrats need some pillars. What excites you about the Democratic party? Because on the other side, they're entrenched. They'll go vote any day of the week at any level.
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degenerasian wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:37 am
Joe K wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:27 am
mister d wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:01 am And every day I wake up and wonder how like 1/3 of this country can be so fucking dumb as to willingly, for no personal gain, follow along with and defend him.
On the other hand, if your political interests are primarily motivated by (1) overturning Roe v. Wade; (2) deregulating businesses to give them free rein; (3) tax cuts to make the rich even richer; or (4) animus towards Islam, Latinos or African-Americans, then Trump has been a pretty damn good President for you. I think that the majority of Trump supporters are neither dumb not duped; they just have values and priorities that are anathema to political liberals.
This is the fight.
I say again the Republican bases has 4 pillars: Pro-life, pro-guns, anti-taxes, anti-immigration. Fox news and talk radio hammers this point every single hour of every single day.

The Democrats need some pillars. What excites you about the Democratic party? Because on the other side, they're entrenched. They'll go vote any day of the week at any level.
I agree with you Degen. But, it's good politics for one of those pillars to be constantly reminding voters that Trump is a treasonous scumbag, and any R who doesn't disavow him is supporting treasonous scumbag policies. Lather, rinse, repeat, at every opportunity.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:59 am I just want to call out something important from that article:

Donald Trump is one of the most susceptible men on the planet to being blackmailed. We are seeing it again today with the payment to McDougal. The payment to Stormy is well-chronicled. He is OBVIOUSLY loath to have his sexual proclivities aired.

So, do I think the Russians have "something" on Trump?

99 percent sure. Nothing is 100 percent, but holy shit is he acting like a guy that is being handled by Putin. He is doing EVERYTHING Putin would want:

* - Dividing the American people using a hyper nationalist platform.
* - Praising Putin and Russia, even congratulating him for what the world knows is a rigged election.
* - He fought tooth and nail against the sanctions, which only got his signature because it was veto proof.. And he waited 4 days to sign them.
* - Many of the sanctions aren't being adhered to.
* - Splitting up Europe and attempting to scupper NATO.
* - Creating a trade war that will destabilize the global economy, which allows Putin to operate more freely.
* - He's got us fighting with fucking CANADA, ffs.
* - And now he's having summit after summit to further raise the profile of Putin, who is desperate to for this kind of affirmation.
* - He unilaterally told NK that the US would halt joint exercises with SK... Again, weakening or causing tension with a key ally.

I'm sure I'm missing some. But look at that fucking tire fire.
While I agree with you on the 99% chance Putin has something on (or for) Trump*, I think Putin could manipulate Trump to do all of those things even without blackmail.

1.) Trump doesn't comprehend these acts or have a clue about the consequences, and he has no interest in understanding. He doesn't give a fuck about the long term effects, he only cares about getting praise from The MAGA crowd. He would totally do something that fucks over our economy long term if it meant Fox and Friends said he was great.

2.) Trump worships Putin and other ruthless dictators. He idolizes them, and for Putin to say nice things about him, that is a huge motivating factor for Trump. He is like a dumb Golden Retriever seeking praise. He says it all the time, "he said nice things about me, so I'm going to ..." Say nice things about Trump, and he will do whatever you want. The Great Negotiator!

3.) Some GOP strategist said this yesterday, and I'm stealing it. Trump is like a teen aged girl. When his advisors tell him not to suck Putin's dick, it's like telling a 15 year old girl she can't date the dirtbag next door, "oh yeah, I'll show you!" Just look at Trump's base's reaction to the few GOP Congressmen who spoke out, I saw a lot of comments like, "Yeah, Trump meeting with Putin was awesome! Look at the Deep State Republican haters revealing themselves!" They cheer at "Liberal tears" when Trump does something horrible, because they care more about Trump pissing off the Libtards than they care about the good of the country.

4.) There is absolutely no thought put into Trump's policy decisions. He doesn't read briefings, he doesn't know what policies his Administration put into place, and he doesn't care. He brags about not preparing for meeting with Putin or Kim, and he will agree to whatever makes him feel good in that moment. Fuck, he called Putin's offer to have the Russian government aid Mueller's investigation in exchange for handing over a former US Ambassador to Russia a "very generous offer." FUCK!!! Seriously, of all the stupid shit Trump has said and done, this the absolute worst, and he truly felt it was a generous offer, and felt proud of himself for negotiating that offer.

I could go on, but I lost my train of thought here. But to your point, he is the most susceptible man on the planet to blackmail AND manipulation. He has the worst case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder the world has ever known, he has never been held accountable for anything in his entire life and has no sense of consequences or shame, he is either extremely stupid or has some sort of degenerative cognitive disease, he has no understanding of government or policy implications, and he has absolutely no interest in learning or understanding anything. He thinks he is the smartest man in the world, and has no concept of the vastness of his ignorance. If he doesn't know something, it doesn't exist. That's why he always says things like, "nobody knows this, but Lincoln was a Republican."


*I'm 99% certain Trump laundered mafia money from former Soviet states through Trump Soho, and laundered millions for Russian oligarchs who received their fortunes through Putin's crimes on various other deals. I'm also 95% certain Trump owes debts and received cash from Russian government owned banks, which is why he hides his tax returns. But, I also believe Putin is likely blackmailing Trump with business deals, promising Trump Moscow or other perks if he pushes Putin's agenda. I believe Trump would sell out our national interests for his personal financial gains, no doubt. I think he would be more motivated by financial gain or hiding financial crimes than a pee tape.
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sancarlos wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:42 am
degenerasian wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:37 am
Joe K wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:27 am
mister d wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:01 am And every day I wake up and wonder how like 1/3 of this country can be so fucking dumb as to willingly, for no personal gain, follow along with and defend him.
On the other hand, if your political interests are primarily motivated by (1) overturning Roe v. Wade; (2) deregulating businesses to give them free rein; (3) tax cuts to make the rich even richer; or (4) animus towards Islam, Latinos or African-Americans, then Trump has been a pretty damn good President for you. I think that the majority of Trump supporters are neither dumb not duped; they just have values and priorities that are anathema to political liberals.
This is the fight.
I say again the Republican bases has 4 pillars: Pro-life, pro-guns, anti-taxes, anti-immigration. Fox news and talk radio hammers this point every single hour of every single day.

The Democrats need some pillars. What excites you about the Democratic party? Because on the other side, they're entrenched. They'll go vote any day of the week at any level.
I agree with you Degen. But, it's good politics for one of those pillars to be constantly reminding voters that Trump is a treasonous scumbag, and any R who doesn't disavow him is supporting treasonous scumbag policies. Lather, rinse, repeat, at every opportunity.
yes that can be one pillar but it's short term against Trump. Think long term. Go after the GOP who I think are even fundamentally sicker than Trump.

Start with this pillar: Voting rights.

Republicans are busy purging voters from registration prior to the start of the next election.

Campaign on having federal voting laws. Hold the GOP responsible for this.
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The Sybian wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:46 am
2.) Trump worships Putin and other ruthless dictators. He idolizes them, and for Putin to say nice things about him, that is a huge motivating factor for Trump. He is like a dumb Golden Retriever seeking praise. He says it all the time, "he said nice things about me, so I'm going to ..." Say nice things about Trump, and he will do whatever you want. The Great Negotiator!
For such a noisy group of freedom fluffers, the far right LOVES authoritarian dictator types. I mean, uh, strong leaders.
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The Sybian wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:46 am
Nonlinear FC wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:59 am I just want to call out something important from that article:

Donald Trump is one of the most susceptible men on the planet to being blackmailed. We are seeing it again today with the payment to McDougal. The payment to Stormy is well-chronicled. He is OBVIOUSLY loath to have his sexual proclivities aired.

So, do I think the Russians have "something" on Trump?

99 percent sure. Nothing is 100 percent, but holy shit is he acting like a guy that is being handled by Putin. He is doing EVERYTHING Putin would want:

* - Dividing the American people using a hyper nationalist platform.
* - Praising Putin and Russia, even congratulating him for what the world knows is a rigged election.
* - He fought tooth and nail against the sanctions, which only got his signature because it was veto proof.. And he waited 4 days to sign them.
* - Many of the sanctions aren't being adhered to.
* - Splitting up Europe and attempting to scupper NATO.
* - Creating a trade war that will destabilize the global economy, which allows Putin to operate more freely.
* - He's got us fighting with fucking CANADA, ffs.
* - And now he's having summit after summit to further raise the profile of Putin, who is desperate to for this kind of affirmation.
* - He unilaterally told NK that the US would halt joint exercises with SK... Again, weakening or causing tension with a key ally.

I'm sure I'm missing some. But look at that fucking tire fire.
While I agree with you on the 99% chance Putin has something on (or for) Trump*, I think Putin could manipulate Trump to do all of those things even without blackmail.

1.) Trump doesn't comprehend these acts or have a clue about the consequences, and he has no interest in understanding. He doesn't give a fuck about the long term effects, he only cares about getting praise from The MAGA crowd. He would totally do something that fucks over our economy long term if it meant Fox and Friends said he was great.

2.) Trump worships Putin and other ruthless dictators. He idolizes them, and for Putin to say nice things about him, that is a huge motivating factor for Trump. He is like a dumb Golden Retriever seeking praise. He says it all the time, "he said nice things about me, so I'm going to ..." Say nice things about Trump, and he will do whatever you want. The Great Negotiator!

3.) Some GOP strategist said this yesterday, and I'm stealing it. Trump is like a teen aged girl. When his advisors tell him not to suck Putin's dick, it's like telling a 15 year old girl she can't date the dirtbag next door, "oh yeah, I'll show you!" Just look at Trump's base's reaction to the few GOP Congressmen who spoke out, I saw a lot of comments like, "Yeah, Trump meeting with Putin was awesome! Look at the Deep State Republican haters revealing themselves!" They cheer at "Liberal tears" when Trump does something horrible, because they care more about Trump pissing off the Libtards than they care about the good of the country.

4.) There is absolutely no thought put into Trump's policy decisions. He doesn't read briefings, he doesn't know what policies his Administration put into place, and he doesn't care. He brags about not preparing for meeting with Putin or Kim, and he will agree to whatever makes him feel good in that moment. Fuck, he called Putin's offer to have the Russian government aid Mueller's investigation in exchange for handing over a former US Ambassador to Russia a "very generous offer." FUCK!!! Seriously, of all the stupid shit Trump has said and done, this the absolute worst, and he truly felt it was a generous offer, and felt proud of himself for negotiating that offer.

I could go on, but I lost my train of thought here. But to your point, he is the most susceptible man on the planet to blackmail AND manipulation. He has the worst case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder the world has ever known, he has never been held accountable for anything in his entire life and has no sense of consequences or shame, he is either extremely stupid or has some sort of degenerative cognitive disease, he has no understanding of government or policy implications, and he has absolutely no interest in learning or understanding anything. He thinks he is the smartest man in the world, and has no concept of the vastness of his ignorance. If he doesn't know something, it doesn't exist. That's why he always says things like, "nobody knows this, but Lincoln was a Republican."


*I'm 99% certain Trump laundered mafia money from former Soviet states through Trump Soho, and laundered millions for Russian oligarchs who received their fortunes through Putin's crimes on various other deals. I'm also 95% certain Trump owes debts and received cash from Russian government owned banks, which is why he hides his tax returns. But, I also believe Putin is likely blackmailing Trump with business deals, promising Trump Moscow or other perks if he pushes Putin's agenda. I believe Trump would sell out our national interests for his personal financial gains, no doubt. I think he would be more motivated by financial gain or hiding financial crimes than a pee tape.
Righteous.

On point 3, I was watching that, and what's kind of remarkable is that woman is an AEI policy wonk. I don't know her background, but if you're losing AEI...

What I would add to his "decision-making process" is what is now on the record: He literally asks "Did Obama do this?" and he'll just do the opposite. Whatever he thinks will negate Obama, he's doing it. He has a pathological hatred of Obama that goes back to his humiliation at the 2011 Correspondents Dinner.

Oh, btw, the birther thing is a pretty "brilliant" mix of racism and islamophobia, right out of Putin's "divide the populace" playbook. As is his Wall bullshit and shitty immigration policies.
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Gunpowder wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:51 am
The Sybian wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:46 am
2.) Trump worships Putin and other ruthless dictators. He idolizes them, and for Putin to say nice things about him, that is a huge motivating factor for Trump. He is like a dumb Golden Retriever seeking praise. He says it all the time, "he said nice things about me, so I'm going to ..." Say nice things about Trump, and he will do whatever you want. The Great Negotiator!
For such a noisy group of freedom fluffers, the far right LOVES authoritarian dictator types. I mean, uh, strong leaders.
Putin is an authoritarian strongman who promotes Christianity and is brutally repressive towards journalists, Muslims and LGBT activists. Most far right voters probably hold him in much higher esteem than they do any American Democrat.
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Oh, and TOTALLY agree on the laundering of Russian money. I think that's a lock.
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Syb - This article is right up your alley.

https://www.gq.com/story/what-putin-has-on-trump

TL;DR - The Kompramat Putin has is the knowledge that he helped Trump win and that he worked actively with Trump and his campaign to win.

My only issue with her argument/stance is what I said earlier: If he's so immune to blackmail, why all the fuss about a playboy model and porn actress? And if those are out there, why is it inconceivable that there are others?
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I have a feeling the Russians hacked and spied on everyone and passed information on to everyone just to fuck up the US. They didn't know who would win. But if Trump won, we have what we have now. If it were Sanders, he would have used that info and we'd we were we are now. "Socialist Bernie". And if Hillary and Podesta had it, the GOP would be all over it now as collusion.

Russians win either way.
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Putin hated Obama for the sanctions after Crimea and he saw Hillary as a dangerous enemy, too.

Putin was "anyone but Hillary" at the beginning, which is why his hackers and social media efforts boosted Bernie and Jill Stein. Once it was clear a pro-Putin candidate was going to win the GOP nomination, that was a golden opportunity and they backed him full bore.

They weren't just fucking with anyone and everyone.

Read the two articles I posted, very informative.
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Lordy, there are tapes.

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FWIW, this really doesn’t fit the narrative that Trump is doing whatever Putin wants:



Trump’s rhetoric towards Putin and Russia is certainly more friendly than past Presidents but his actual actions towards Russia and Ukraine really don’t fit with the “kompromat” narrative. In addition to this latest security assistance his administration has previously announced the sale of weapons to Ukraine. Arming Ukraine is one of the last things he would do if he were under Putin’s control or feared having a piss tape released. Obama’s didn’t even take that step for fear of antagonizing Russia.
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I'm not going to jump up and down like the folks on Twitter, but 200m is very small sum AND these are defensive, not offensive weapons.

And the timing is not accidental.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:44 am http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... usion.html

While I don't know if I buy the notion that Trump is some kind of sleeper agent, this article sure makes a compelling case that Trump is working for Putin. And that the Republican establishment has been fully aware of Trump's ties and affinity for Putin long before he won the nomination.

They would rather win an election knowing the guy coming into office has weird ass ties to Putin than lose to the Democrats.

I know folks on here have said that in the past, but this article will make your blood boil.
Well, I've been saying it for two years, and also worrying about the November elections this year being fixed, which you've consistently said is something not to worry about. Are you changing your answer to that?
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mister d wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:01 am And every day I wake up and wonder how like 1/3 of this country can be so fucking dumb as to willingly, for no personal gain, follow along with and defend him.
Racism.
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tennbengal wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:00 pm
mister d wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:01 am And every day I wake up and wonder how like 1/3 of this country can be so fucking dumb as to willingly, for no personal gain, follow along with and defend him.
Racism.
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DSafetyGuy wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:04 pm
tennbengal wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:00 pm
mister d wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:01 am And every day I wake up and wonder how like 1/3 of this country can be so fucking dumb as to willingly, for no personal gain, follow along with and defend him.
Racism.
Often under the guise of Christianity.
This is where I muse...one and the same for large swaths.
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tennbengal wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:05 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:04 pm
tennbengal wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:00 pm
mister d wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:01 am And every day I wake up and wonder how like 1/3 of this country can be so fucking dumb as to willingly, for no personal gain, follow along with and defend him.
Racism.
Often under the guise of Christianity.
This is where I muse...one and the same for large swaths.
Honestly, though, show me the religion that *isn't* in some large measure a mix of superstition, willful ignorance, and bigotry.
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Good argument for running on UBI, I guess. Turn the never-ending implicit votes against economic self-interest directly explicit.
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tennbengal wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:00 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:44 am http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... usion.html

While I don't know if I buy the notion that Trump is some kind of sleeper agent, this article sure makes a compelling case that Trump is working for Putin. And that the Republican establishment has been fully aware of Trump's ties and affinity for Putin long before he won the nomination.

They would rather win an election knowing the guy coming into office has weird ass ties to Putin than lose to the Democrats.

I know folks on here have said that in the past, but this article will make your blood boil.
Well, I've been saying it for two years, and also worrying about the November elections this year being fixed, which you've consistently said is something not to worry about. Are you changing your answer to that?
The US voting systems are so specific to each state that to "rig" them and get away with it on a grand scale would be REALLY difficult to pull off. You would need too many inside people to have make an impact in enough congressional races to have a material impact.
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DSafetyGuy wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:04 pm
tennbengal wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:00 pm
mister d wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:01 am And every day I wake up and wonder how like 1/3 of this country can be so fucking dumb as to willingly, for no personal gain, follow along with and defend him.
Racism.
Often under the guise of Christianity.
or guns
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:44 pm
tennbengal wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:00 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:44 am http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... usion.html

While I don't know if I buy the notion that Trump is some kind of sleeper agent, this article sure makes a compelling case that Trump is working for Putin. And that the Republican establishment has been fully aware of Trump's ties and affinity for Putin long before he won the nomination.

They would rather win an election knowing the guy coming into office has weird ass ties to Putin than lose to the Democrats.

I know folks on here have said that in the past, but this article will make your blood boil.
Well, I've been saying it for two years, and also worrying about the November elections this year being fixed, which you've consistently said is something not to worry about. Are you changing your answer to that?
The US voting systems are so specific to each state that to "rig" them and get away with it on a grand scale would be REALLY difficult to pull off. You would need too many inside people to have make an impact in enough congressional races to have a material impact.
You can also purge voter rolls.

And severely reduce the places where you can vote.

Most people don't think to mail in their votes and can't take a day off of work, so you're right I guess.
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[Tirade about NFL/Anthem/kneeling] [Tirade of threats against Iran]

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A lot going on this article:

The U.S. President Is Screaming at Another Country in All Caps on the Internet

Since the Manafort trial is this week, in which the special counsel has had his immunity request granted, there needs to be a distraction.

So Sarah Suck-a-D Sanders goes on Fox and Friends to parrot her boss and call the investigation a hoax.

This shit is just so unreal. This week will be nuts just as the last few have been.
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I get that the photo Pruitt posted is just a joke but the last thing anyone should be doing is tying Trump’s friendly rhetoric towards Russia to a broader criticism of him for failing to back up his tough words with stronger action. The last thing we want him to do is to start a war with Iran or North Korea.
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Eh, I wouldn't worry. Its not like Trump has previously and repeatedly hypothesized that the way a sitting president could ensure reelection is by attacking Iran.
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