The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:08 am

He's probably still out, but conflicting reports about whether he resigned or is being fired. Sounds like the latter, which changes the narrative quite a bit.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:12 am

If he is getting fired maybe he can tell Trump to go fuck himself on the way out.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:49 am

brian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:08 am He's probably still out, but conflicting reports about whether he resigned or is being fired. Sounds like the latter, which changes the narrative quite a bit.

Rosenstein wouldn't be the first Trump official to learn of their decision to resign by reading it in the press .

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:51 am

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:37 pm

Yeah, that was fucking weird. Even the way the news channels were covering it was off... MSNBC said "Rosenstein Summoned to WH"

No, actually, turns out he requested a meeting.

You've got The Atlantic out there saying this is a national emergency. C'mon man.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:39 pm

A certain former Swamper posted a note on his Linkedin page that his New York law firm is representing George Papadopoulos in the Russia probe.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:13 pm

Its not a hot take to say "anyone defending a 3rd party from a sexual assault allegation is really indicting their own character", right? Because that seems to be getting ignored here.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:28 pm

I don't that's getting completely lost here, at least I've seen some articles pointing out the folly for Republicans with women right now. I posted an article on this board to that point late last week.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:41 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:13 pm Its not a hot take to say "anyone defending a 3rd party from a sexual assault allegation is really indicting their own character", right? Because that seems to be getting ignored here.

Reminds me of an exchange I read in a biography of Meyer Lanky:
(Going from memory - paraphrased)
Senator (to lawyer for Lansky and Lucky Luciano): I look at you in amazement sir, that you would choose to associate and represent such men!
Lawyer: I look at you in amazement sir - a senator of this country - that you would deny these men their legal right to counsel When the day comes that persons with a bad reputation are beyond the pale of justice, then our liberty is gone! (Harrumph, harrumph, harrumph...)

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:43 pm

I don't mean "Republicans risk losing even more women by taking this stance", I mean "Republicans are unequivocally wrong for taking this stance". The statements of support are being reported on unchallenged, both logically and morally.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:02 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:43 pm I don't mean "Republicans risk losing even more women by taking this stance", I mean "Republicans are unequivocally wrong for taking this stance". The statements of support are being reported on unchallenged, both logically and morally.

Oh, the MSM being the MSM and swimming in Lake False Equivalency*?

* - I know this isn't that, but it's at least adjacent.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:50 am

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:53 am

I've done a wonderful job, truly the best job, of shielding myself from actually watching him or hearing his voice. Is he always this slurry when he speaks?

Post by **brian** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:56 am

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:53 am I've done a wonderful job, truly the best job, of shielding myself from actually watching him or hearing his voice. Is he always this slurry when he speaks?

I don't watch him a lot myself, but yes. Though it's more pronounced some times. His brain is broken.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:59 am

"We reject the doctrine of globalism and embrace the doctrine of patriotism."

Positively Hitlerian.

He thinks he's in a hall in South Carolina or something.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:02 am

Pruitt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:59 am "We reject the doctrine of globalism and embrace the doctrine of patriotism."

Positively Hitlerian.

He thinks he's in a hall in South Carolina or something.

I like how the whole world laughed at him beforehand.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:20 pm

rass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:50 am

God, this is the dumbest fucking timeline.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:25 pm

"I give quite often to charities supporting the homeless, but when do the homeless ever give anything to me?"

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:14 pm

I enjoyed the shots of the Chinese Ambassador furiously scribbling notes during Trump's stump speech.

In my imagination, he was simply writing "asshole" in mandarin over and over.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:35 pm

At the end of the day, Trump showed a masterful level of self deprecation, which is how he runs this confidence game. Give his base a morsel to chew on. Watch how he brings this up at his next rally.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:37 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:53 am I've done a wonderful job, truly the best job, of shielding myself from actually watching him or hearing his voice. Is he always this slurry when he speaks?

When he tries reading, yes, he sounds like a stroke victim. Then there are the times when his dentures start slipping, like when he announced the embassy moving to Jerusalem. "God Bless the Unita Shtashtes."

Then there are other times when he tries to say big boy words like "anonymous"

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:45 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:35 pm At the end of the day, Trump showed a masterful level of self deprecation, which is how he runs this confidence game. Give his base a morsel to chew on. Watch how he brings this up at his next rally.

I don't think he realized they were laughing at him. Look how proud he looks, absorbing the laughter and love he never got from his daddy.

I understand Trump has no concept of addressing an audience like the UN, but how incompetent (or subservient?) are his speech writers to go in front of the UN and give a campaign rally speech bragging about how much he has accomplished for the US? Then he went into attacking the Dems for their attack on Kavanaugh. You are in front of the fucking UN! Nobody there can vote for you!

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:57 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:45 pm
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:35 pm At the end of the day, Trump showed a masterful level of self deprecation, which is how he runs this confidence game. Give his base a morsel to chew on. Watch how he brings this up at his next rally.
I don't think he realized they were laughing at him. Look how proud he looks, absorbing the laughter and love he never got from his daddy.

I understand Trump has no concept of addressing an audience like the UN, but how incompetent (or subservient?) are his speech writers to go in front of the UN and give a campaign rally speech bragging about how much he has accomplished for the US? Then he went into attacking the Dems for their attack on Kavanaugh. You are in front of the fucking UN! Nobody there can vote for you!

He’s the useful idiot in more ways than one. I’m convinced he’s got a diagnosable mental condition that actually deflects the laughter from being an attack. Remember, the truth needn’t extend beyond his nose.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:52 am

Oh my god.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/s ... ition-team

Guardian with an excerpt from Michael Lewis' upcoming book, this on the transition team fiasco.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:03 am

I'm gonna sound like a dick here, but I've been banging the drum about how much of a dumpster fire the transition was as far back as November 2016.

They fucking fired Christie. That's batshit crazy.

I've been involved with a transition, I know what it's supposed to look like. What these guys did was borderline criminal.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:13 am

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:57 pm

I’m convinced he’s got a diagnosable mental condition that actually deflects the laughter from being an attack. Remember, the truth needn’t extend beyond his nose.

100%, it's Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Malignant Narcissism, which is a combination of NPD and sociopathy. I don't think there is even an argument that Trump doesn't have NPD or isn't a sociopath. Every description of the disorders fits Trump to a T. He is actually a cartoonish caricature exaggeration of all the markers for diagnosing both. I totally understand and respect the standard psychologist practice of refusing to diagnose someone without personally treating someone, but with both NPD and sociopathy, I think it's easier to diagnose from a distance, and an intelligent sociopath can easily hide their sociopathy, and observing a narcissist in the wild is better than sitting down and talking to them.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:18 am

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:03 am I'm gonna sound like a dick here, but I've been banging the drum about how much of a dumpster fire the transition was as far back as November 2016.

They fucking fired Christie. That's batshit crazy.

I've been involved with a transition, I know what it's supposed to look like. What these guys did was borderline criminal.

Not sure how that could make you sound like a dick, it's damn clear. You take a President Elect with absolutely no experience, understanding of how government works and no desire to learn, and staff up with people with no experience or knowledge, but a fuckton of hubris and of course it's a disaster. There was no vetting of anyone, partially because "they said nice things about me" is the only requirement Trump cares about(NPD!), and partially because nobody with any skill and common sense would go near this Administration. They were woefully understaffed on top of being managed by incompetent hacks.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:22 am

Just the whole "I've been saying this for years" thing.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:25 am

This motherfucker threw paper towels at hurricane victims in Puerto Rico and nobody gave a shit. Maybe it will take an event like the Omaha riots that got to the point they did in part due to Wilson's stroke crippling the gov for people to care.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:39 am

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:22 am Just the whole "I've been saying this for years" thing.

Oh, now I see it. You are indeed a dick.

Naw, it's well worth repeating. With all of the shit that happens every damned day, it's important to continue to bring up the gross incompetencies. I forget about shit all the time that would have been Presidency killing scandals under any other Admin. I doubt a single week has gone by without a new incident that would have been earth shattering under any previous President.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:35 am

Can't wait to read that book.

Hey, Nonlinear, maybe he'll let you write the foreword! :^)

duff · Post by **duff** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:34 pm

I only wish my friend that was chief of staff for the VP would speak up about the transition. He left 4 or 5 months after the inauguration. I know he won't because of his relationship with Pence, but damn there has to be some good stories in there somewhere.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:42 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:52 am Oh my god.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/s ... ition-team

Guardian with an excerpt from Michael Lewis' upcoming book, this on the transition team fiasco.

The scene of Trump yelling at Christie over "his" money is wild.

So the source was Bannon? Christie? Melania?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:56 pm

Pruitt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:42 pm
tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:52 am Oh my god.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/s ... ition-team

Guardian with an excerpt from Michael Lewis' upcoming book, this on the transition team fiasco.
The scene of Trump yelling at Christie over "his" money is wild.

So the source was Bannon? Christie? Melania?

I started reading Woodward's "Fear," and it had a very similar description of Trump's anger at having to form a transition team. Trump thought it was stupid to think about transition before the election, and blamed Romney losing the election because he wasted time and money preparing for transition. According to Woodward's sources, Trump wanted to fire Christie and kill the transition team, because it was a waste of time and money, and he thought having a transition team jinxed his chances of winning.

It goes without saying, but Trump never wanted to govern. He doesn't give a fuck about policies or anything other than the prestige and ability to use the Presidency to grift. I'm guessing Bannon was the source, but according to Woodward, Bannon saved the Transition Team by convincing Trump that if they disbanded the team, Morning Joe would insist Trump was admitting he had no chance of winning.

Post by **brian** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:58 pm

This is like legit 90 percent true.

teeteebee · Post by **teeteebee** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:34 pm

brian wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:58 pm This is like legit 90 percent true.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!

Post by **brian** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:19 pm

Who didn’t love you as a kid?

teeteebee · Post by **teeteebee** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:21 pm

brian wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:19 pm Who didn’t love you as a kid?

That's not the issue. It's the incessant whining you do. I remember when you were going to move out of the country. You haven't.

Now you want the life on earth the be obliterated. Just stop bitching. Move or don't. Just stop complaining.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:34 pm

How do you put somebody on ignore?

Asking for a friend.

No, that’s a lie. I’m asking because I sense a toxic persornality in our presence. And fuck that shit.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:35 pm

Never mind! Figured it out.