Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation

[mister d]

So does Manchin meeting with Flake, Murkowski and Collins mean Kavanaugh is getting 52 instead of 51?

[tennbengal]

I assume manchin is a yes to allow two of those three to vote no.

[mister d]

[travzilla]

Say Manchin casts the deciding vote to confirm Kavenaugh, which allows him to keep his seat which ends up allowing the Democrats to take the senate (and assume the house too). Do you take that trade off - control of congress for a horrible, conservative supreme court judge?

[mister d]

Feels kinda like “what if your wife fucks a few dudes this week so she isn’t tempted to cheat on her work trip next month”.

[Brontoburglar]

Say Manchin casts the deciding vote to confirm Kavenaugh, which allows him to keep his seat which ends up allowing the Democrats to take the senate (and assume the house too). Do you take that trade off - control of congress for a horrible, conservative supreme court judge?

lifetime appointments >>>>>> elected positions

[travzilla]

Say Manchin casts the deciding vote to confirm Kavenaugh, which allows him to keep his seat which ends up allowing the Democrats to take the senate (and assume the house too). Do you take that trade off - control of congress for a horrible, conservative supreme court judge?

lifetime appointments >>>>>> elected positions

Which seems like the logical (and probably correct) answer. Maybe depends on how much immediate damage you think Trump could do for two years with congress in his pocket.

[mister d]

If he knows he can get away with it, which Kavanaugh allows for, the answer is “a lot more”. And that’s before you get into the social issue disasters this SCOTUS can cause.

[Brontoburglar]

Say Manchin casts the deciding vote to confirm Kavenaugh, which allows him to keep his seat which ends up allowing the Democrats to take the senate (and assume the house too). Do you take that trade off - control of congress for a horrible, conservative supreme court judge?

lifetime appointments >>>>>> elected positions

Which seems like the logical (and probably correct) answer. Maybe depends on how much immediate damage you think Trump could do for two years with congress in his pocket.

He's already had them in his pocket for two and it's been bad ... but the SC is more stuff that will take a lot longer to repair.

[mister d]

It’ll be full indemnity.

[DaveInSeattle]

Fuck Kavanaugh. Double Fuck Lindsey Graham.

[EnochRoot]

The American Bar Association has urged the Senate to delay a vote on Kavanaugh so that the FBI can do a proper investigation into Kavanaugh.

I’d like to see some justices on the court weigh in. I won’t hold my breath on that, though.

[Joe K]

But, but, but ... I thought he does paintings of dogs and takes nice photos with the Obamas!

[Nonlinear FC]

The only good thing is it will finally put a lie to the “good Republican” fiction that some people spin around people like Flake, Collins, Murkowski, Corker et al. There are no good Republicans. The entire party needs to be pushed into the sea.

That really needs to be said more succinctly in the wake of this. Fucking fuck Flake, man. He's McCain all over again. "These are human beings!"

Fuck you, you feckless fuck.

[Johnnie]

Today is already fucking lit.

Judiciary committee Democrats walked out.

The Bar Association (!!!!) was mentioned upthread to call for a pause.

It's 8 am my time.

[DaveInSeattle]

Rage is only feeling this morning...

If I had a rocket launcher...

[Johnnie]

Ronan and Mayer Bomb:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... timony/amp

[Nonlinear FC]

Ronan and Mayer Bomb:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... timony/amp

Farcical circus.

[EnochRoot]

Avenatti has to understand that if he's light on corroborative evidence, his reputation will take a massive hit, right?

[Steve of phpBB]

Avenatti has to understand that if he's light on corroborative evidence, his reputation will take a massive hit, right?

The thing about Avenatti is, yes, he understands that. He knows he isn't inhabiting the Fox space, where all is forgiven as long as you're attacking the right people.

[Steve of phpBB]

Say Manchin casts the deciding vote to confirm Kavenaugh, which allows him to keep his seat which ends up allowing the Democrats to take the senate (and assume the house too). Do you take that trade off - control of congress for a horrible, conservative supreme court judge?

lifetime appointments >>>>>> elected positions

Which seems like the logical (and probably correct) answer. Maybe depends on how much immediate damage you think Trump could do for two years with congress in his pocket.

I guess another complication is the fact that if Kavanaugh goes down, they just put another right wing justice on the Court. So a vote by Manchin for Kavanaugh probably doesn't have much practical implication. Other than telling millions of women their lives don't matter.

[A_B]

I think everyone still expects a right wing justice. Just not THIS right wing justice, preferably.

[Nonlinear FC]

Some serious back door stuff going on right now. Senators keep getting up and leaving. Flake hasn't been seen of late.

[Ryan]

Some serious back door stuff going on right now. Senators keep getting up and leaving. Flake hasn't been seen of late.

Whitehouse and Sasse hopefully agreeing how disgusting this whole thing is but probably talking racquetball. And Grassley almost ate it trying to sneak by a couple staffers.

[Johnnie]

SF Gate says they don't have the votes

https://m.sfgate.com/news/politics/arti ... 265580.php

[mister d]

I think everyone still expects a right wing justice. Just not THIS right wing justice, preferably.

Right, there are degrees of bad and Kavanaugh has effectively said, beyond just being conservative, he’ll serve in an anti-Dem mindset.

[A_B]

Pretty amazing. (You'll need sound)

[Nonlinear FC]

O'Donnell (NBC) is reporting they are in discussions about pausing the process and re-opening the FBI background check.

[Johnnie]

Just about to post a tweet about that. Like....whoa.

[Pruitt]

A one week investigation.

[Nonlinear FC]

So, Flake votes to move it out of Committee, but won't vote Yes on the floor unless they reopen the background check.

So, if he sticks to his guns, and he also just gave Collins and Murkowski a huge cover story.

[Pruitt]

So, Flake votes to move it out of Committee, but won't vote Yes on the floor unless they reopen the background check.

So, if he sticks to his guns, and he also just gave Collins and Murkowski a huge cover story.

MAn, it's the hope that kills you in the end. Lets see what the next week brings.

[Joe K]

Prediction: Flake and Collins vote No; Manchin and Heitkamp vote Yes. Kavanaugh gets confirmed without further investigation and Flake and Collins get to pretend to be reasonable. No reason at all for Flake to vote to advance him out of Committee if he actually wanted the investigation to occur.

[mister d]

Has Murkowski declared?

[Nonlinear FC]

Yeah, maybe Joe.

But I think he thinks that not allowing it out of Committee was procedurally problematic. And like I said, this gives a bunch of fence sitters the logical and political coverage they need to vote no.

And I really don't think Manchin is going to fall on this sword. This is way too toxic. His turnout would be terrible.

[Nonlinear FC]

Has Murkowski declared?

Neither Collins or Murkowski have said either way. Both of stated they think there should be more investigation.

[mister d]

And I really don't think Manchin is going to fall on this sword. This is way too toxic. His turnout would be terrible.

Is there even a such thing as a staunchly pro-Kavanaugh swing voter?

[Pruitt]

So the Washington Post commentator said that it's up to trump as to whether there will be a week's delay.

[tennbengal]

Pretty amazing. (You'll need sound)

That is absolutely perfect.

[Johnnie]

I feel like this is all bullshit additional dramatic theater and the Dems lost again.