tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:24 pm
tl/dr - Obama's greatest failure as President was chasing bi-partisanship for eight years. The second the Dems regain one of the levers of govyernment, they start up with bi-partisan talk again. I don't think it gets them anywhere good.
Agreed. Obama bent over backwards to chase bipartisan support for the ACA, to the point where the bill was literally drafted by insurance industry lobbyists. And yet the GOP still acted like he was giving control of the US healthcare system to the reanimated corpse of Leon Trotsky.
They also repeatedly, and to this day, say that it was rushed through and totally without their input. And they know they're lying, but that's what has stuck in the minds of their base. Which is why all the shit over the last two years seemed justified to them.
Comity isn't just for fucking manners and appearance sake. It's supposed to help keep our collective shit together. Newt and his crew didn't care, blew it all up, and now we're where we are.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
You guys are essentially debating optics. Which are driven by behind the scene tactics, gamesmanship, and then spinning out whatever your strategy is to the public.
You don't want the House to come off like the Tea Party zealots, who to this day are a massive anchor around the GOP caucus. Those folks came in as a result of a huge wave, emboldened to not budge or compromise on anything. And now that's how a lot of Americans view the GOP in Washington. Fundamentalist obstructionists who just aren't reasonable and won't negotiate.
For a lot of the country, being extreme is basically seen as what's taking us down. Pelosi coming out fire and brimstone today is a REALLY BAD IDEA.
tb, this is not to say you are wrong. And it's where I think you and brian are ultimately in agreement. Today, you've had a big win in the House, you put some platitudes out, meanwhile staff is behind the scenes (already have been for weeks) putting the touches on a legislative agenda that's going to echo a lot of what we've been talking about.
I absolutely share your fear that the leadership won't go in hard enough, that they'll get caught up in the kind of petty retribution shit that happens when there's a power swing up there (I can't really undersell how big of a deal this is on The Hill. It's not just Committee stuff, it's making people move out of offices and other hierarchical shit.)
We are going to see if the DNC, DCCC and House Leadership have their shit together. Track record is not great.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:24 pm
tl/dr - Obama's greatest failure as President was chasing bi-partisanship for eight years. The second the Dems regain one of the levers of govyernment, they start up with bi-partisan talk again. I don't think it gets them anywhere good.
Agreed. Obama bent over backwards to chase bipartisan support for the ACA, to the point where the bill was literally drafted by insurance industry lobbyists. And yet the GOP still acted like he was giving control of the US healthcare system to the reanimated corpse of Leon Trotsky.
wow, I leave for lunch and your guys on on fire.
The GOP is going to claim communism no matter what so why be afraid of that. Put forward a great universal healthcare plan and make the Senate reject it. There has to be a full-court press. The GOP is incredibly good at simplifying politics into the lowest denominator and making it into an all or nothing game. Black and White. Liberals have the big tent philosophy to include everyone and be progressive.
Immigration: we either let everyone in or nobody in
Guns: There are either guns or no guns.
Obviously the Liberals aren't letting all immigrants in or asking to ban all guns, but unless they come up with a real solution, the voter then gets trapped into the republican playbook. These two all or nothing extremes are of course false and not the reality but the GOP portrays it as such. So why care about it? Pass bills that are important to Democrats and make sense. Some people might unfortunately get hurt along the way but Dems can't hesitate in order to save 100% of the people 100% of the time.
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
I think the Democrats are capable of coming up with honestly what probably would be broadly supported (by Americans) solutions to gun control and immigration, but they don't need to choose those battles because there's plenty of other battlegrounds to fight on and victory is not assured in either of those conflicts.
Again, go back to Sun Tzu.
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
I think the Democrats are starting to know themselves and they definitely know who the Republicans are now. There are more fertile battlegrounds to fight on on which they can win.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:42 am
Oh, and then there's Alabama. Voted overwhelmingly for the 10 commandments to be displayed in public schools and for "recognizing and supporting the sanctity of unborn life and the rights of unborn children." That along with all the GOP members elected. What a waste of a state that place is.
Hey now. For the most part this is a great place to live. The younger generation here is starting to shift, and I expect demographics to get better in coming years. Also, remember that we have one Dem senator.
The wife and I were surprised the ‘sanctity’ amendment was as close as it was (60-40). We were thinking closer to 70%.
I cannot stand Kay Ivey and her folksy ‘ah shucks’ demeanor. Also, the guy who won Chief Justice, Tom Parker, is close with Roy Moore and basically his good friend. Disgusting.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:34 amAlso, strong showing by Xochitl Torres Small of New Mexico. She is in the NM 2nd which is a 10+ Republican district and came within 1% of beating Trumpkin Yvette Herrell.
How did he only lose by 30 points? I know more than a few vote straight R or straight D but there is no reason this guy should get more than the hardcore piece of shit voter vote.
Has anyone reported how many of those came from straight-party Republican votes?
Does it matter? Even those people were probably aware there was a Nazi on the ticket. It was pretty big news.
You'd be surprised how many people don't know about something that is pretty big news to lots of us.
This.
We're talking about a state delegate type deal. Those folks get less heat/attention that County Executives and even County/City Council races.
People just living their lives aren't going on HuffPo or Slate or Vox or Jezebel to see a story we all saw a gazillion times when it broke. And local news very rarely gets into this stuff (take the latest Sinclair stuff out of it) because they don't want to be seen as being partisan.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
Has anyone reported how many of those came from straight-party Republican votes?
Does it matter? Even those people were probably aware there was a Nazi on the ticket. It was pretty big news.
You'd be surprised how many people don't know about something that is pretty big news to lots of us.
This.
We're talking about a state delegate type deal. Those folks get less heat/attention that County Executives and even County/City Council races.
People just living their lives aren't going on HuffPo or Slate or Vox or Jezebel to see a story we all saw a gazillion times when it broke. And local news very rarely gets into this stuff (take the latest Sinclair stuff out of it) because they don't want to be seen as being partisan.
No, this was a dude running for the United States House of Representatives. I don't buy that ignorance is an excuse for that.
Has anyone reported how many of those came from straight-party Republican votes?
Does it matter? Even those people were probably aware there was a Nazi on the ticket. It was pretty big news.
You'd be surprised how many people don't know about something that is pretty big news to lots of us.
This.
We're talking about a state delegate type deal. Those folks get less heat/attention that County Executives and even County/City Council races.
People just living their lives aren't going on HuffPo or Slate or Vox or Jezebel to see a story we all saw a gazillion times when it broke. And local news very rarely gets into this stuff (take the latest Sinclair stuff out of it) because they don't want to be seen as being partisan.
No, this was a dude running for the United State House of Representatives. I don't buy that ignorance is an excuse for that.
Oh.
Yeah. My bad.
That's some bullshit.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
Just catching up on news of day (been in meetings and away from phone) - Arizona and Florida senate seats are still in play???!!!! You all are burying the lead.
tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:26 pm
Just catching up on news of day (been in meetings and away from phone) - Arizona and Florida senate seats are still in play???!!!! You all are burying the lead.
I refuse to believe FL is in play unless and until the Dem is actually ahead.
But AZ? Damn!
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:26 pm
Just catching up on news of day (been in meetings and away from phone) - Arizona and Florida senate seats are still in play???!!!! You all are burying the lead.
I refuse to believe FL is in play unless and until the Dem is actually ahead.
But AZ? Damn!
Lead down to .18% in Florida for Scott and some provisionals still outstanding. Apparently a puncher’s chance.
tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:26 pm
Just catching up on news of day (been in meetings and away from phone) - Arizona and Florida senate seats are still in play???!!!! You all are burying the lead.
I refuse to believe FL is in play unless and until the Dem is actually ahead.
But AZ? Damn!
Lead down to .18% in Florida for Scott and some provisionals still outstanding. Apparently a puncher’s chance.
Governor's race too!
Until everything is less insane, I'm mixing weed with wine.
How did he only lose by 30 points? I know more than a few vote straight R or straight D but there is no reason this guy should get more than the hardcore piece of shit voter vote.
he did get one of the lowest vote totals of any republican running for state representative (over 125 districts). his district is also one street over from me. the guy who beat him is someone I've known my entire life. good dude who has a bright political future
"We're not the smartest people in the world. We go down the straightaway and turn left. That's literally what we do." -- Clint Bowyer
I’ll give Kentucky this for as backwards as we generally are, the races are always federal first then others. Exception is statewide measure like the marsys law which always appear last.
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can somebody tell me if beto won galveston county? ive tried lookimg it up and can only fimd predictions . i just want to know if i helped try to get cruz out enough to make a difference.
TT2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:20 am
can somebody tell me if beto won galveston county? ive tried lookimg it up and can only fimd predictions . i just want to know if i helped try to get cruz out enough to make a difference.
