This 'Redskins' Thing

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:17 am

The guy who wrote the article was the person Snyder sued when he was at the City Paper.

Snyder has screwed this up every way. I was thinking the other way how he could have handled it with class and still not change it. Tough but could have pulled it off.

Speaking points
1.) The team name has a long history and was not introduced with malice towards native Americans.
2.) There is a very vocal fan base (which may be a majority) that supports the team and its name.
3.) The issues is not clear to me at this time that all native americans feel this name is derogatory. There is a clear number of individuals and groups that do feel the name is not appropriate, but there are lots of
4.) No decision with fan-base and financial implications of this nature should be made quickly or without detailed study.
5.) This organization needs to continue to understand the issue, engage in a respectful and meaningful conversation with appropriate parties, and understand the implications of keeping or changing our team name. There is no current time table for a decision as I don't want to put an artificial time frame on making a decision.

Unfortunately, Snyder has already boxed himself into a corner. Had he not done repeatedly terrible PR moves (on this and other issues), he could have taken the moral high road on an issue and drop the name. Would not even have to pickup a nickname. Just be Washington Football. Leave some native american imagery on the uniform and logos, and let the fans call them the Redskins, but not use that name as part of the official stance. He could even keep and defend the Redskins trademarks (tweak the fight song, etc.), but just not use it.

Post by **brian** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:24 am

Part of the Redskins fight song translates to "Sieg Heil" in German (Hail Victory), so when they inevitably have to change the name here in the next few years, they're probably better off just scrapping that thing from the bolts up.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:44 am

Isn't Michigan's fight song called "Hail to the Victors"?

Post by **brian** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:53 am

AB_skin_test wrote:Isn't Michigan's fight song called "Hail to the Victors"?

It is. Which Google says translates to "Heil dem Sieger". To my knowledge, the Third Reich didn't use that as a war cry.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:01 pm

brian wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:Isn't Michigan's fight song called "Hail to the Victors"?
It is. Which Google says translates to "Heil dem Sieger". To my knowledge, the Third Reich didn't use that as a war cry.

Well, no, but they didn't win.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:30 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote:The guy who wrote the article was the person Snyder sued when he was at the City Paper.

Snyder has screwed this up every way. I was thinking the other way how he could have handled it with class and still not change it. Tough but could have pulled it off.

Speaking points
1.) The team name has a long history and was not introduced with malice towards native Americans.
2.) There is a very vocal fan base (which may be a majority) that supports the team and its name.
3.) The issues is not clear to me at this time that all native americans feel this name is derogatory. There is a clear number of individuals and groups that do feel the name is not appropriate, but there are lots of
4.) No decision with fan-base and financial implications of this nature should be made quickly or without detailed study.
5.) This organization needs to continue to understand the issue, engage in a respectful and meaningful conversation with appropriate parties, and understand the implications of keeping or changing our team name. There is no current time table for a decision as I don't want to put an artificial time frame on making a decision.

Unfortunately, Snyder has already boxed himself into a corner. Had he not done repeatedly terrible PR moves (on this and other issues), he could have taken the moral high road on an issue and drop the name. Would not even have to pickup a nickname. Just be Washington Football. Leave some native american imagery on the uniform and logos, and let the fans call them the Redskins, but not use that name as part of the official stance. He could even keep and defend the Redskins trademarks (tweak the fight song, etc.), but just not use it.

People talk about Snyder's background in marketing and beat him up because "he should know how to communicate, he made his fortune in marketing and advertising!"

The problem with that is simple: marketers often don't have one clue about public relations. They are two EXTREMELY different areas. I know this may sound like splitting hairs to some, but trust me, it's not.

As you just laid out, there are ways to handle public relations, even what we call "crisis communications" and then... well, then there are idiots like Snyder that think he can throw up a bunch of bullshit (marketing) to sway the masses and achieve a desired result. The HUGE problem with that approach is, well... basic scrutiny of his bullshit. It takes almost zero effort to call him on his bullshit, because he thinks he can get by with gimmicks. He's intellectually lazy.

And like a lot of marketers, because they've gotten over (in their minds) on a lot of people, they tend to think everyone is stupid.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:13 pm

AB_skin_test wrote:Well, no, but they didn't win.

Big lead at the half, though. (Coors Field joke?)

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:35 pm

howard wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:Well, no, but they didn't win.
Big lead at the half, though. (Coors Field joke?)

We would have also accepted Willis Reed jokes.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:01 pm

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Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:55 pm

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no surprise that the Redskins logo is bigger than the other one.

Pure Class!

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:20 pm

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:12 am

Episode available here: http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s ... d-yourself" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(EXCEPT FOR ME BECAUSE HULU BLOCKS VPNs. FUCKERS.)

Also, The Daily Show: (Cant embed, so I'll drop the Deadspin link.)

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Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:45 pm

Johnnie wrote:

Amazingly, when the episode ran, RG 3 had been changed to Kirk Cousins.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:33 am

That's because RG3 was auditioning for the role of Black Timmy and needed a replacement.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:46 am

Pruitt wrote:
Amazingly, when the episode ran, RG 3 had been changed to Kirk Cousins.

That's the beauty of South Park over an animated show. The numbers may have changed, but I once saw an interview saying they can make an episode in something like 6 days, where The Simpsons takes 9 months. This allows South Park to make an episode that is extremely topical, while the Simpsons can't.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:59 am

The Sybian wrote:
Pruitt wrote:
Amazingly, when the episode ran, RG 3 had been changed to Kirk Cousins.
That's the beauty of South Park over an animated show. The numbers may have changed, but I once saw an interview saying they can make an episode in something like 6 days, where The Simpsons takes 9 months. This allows South Park to make an episode that is extremely topical, while the Simpsons can't.

Yes, they did a documentary called "6 days to air"
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However, I also know that they basically generate most of the scripts/themes over a week long outing with a bunch of friend (I have heard interviews with Bill Hader about this)

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:19 am

It's a great documentary - one that leaves all of the animation writers I know green with envy.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:24 am

Pruitt wrote:It's a great documentary - one that leaves mister d green with envy.

fify

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:46 pm

Sure I hate government overreach, but this is fucking hilarious:

FCC considering move to ban NFL Redskins team name

(Reuters) - The Federal Communications Commission is considering whether to punish broadcasters for using the moniker of the Washington NFL team, the Redskins, a word many consider a slur to Native Americans, the agency's chairman indicated on Tuesday.
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The FCC could formally deem use of the team name to be indecent, and thus impose a de facto ban on it on over-the-air television and radio.

Post by **brian** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:56 pm

Serious question. Is there any kind of similar FCC ban on the N word? If not I don't see how this has a leg to stand on.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:42 pm

Has to be, or else it would be every 10th word on Fox News.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:46 pm

…and on BET. Oh, wait.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:33 am

Depend on context, no?

If someone tried to move the Jags to Jackson and name them the N******, does the FCC have a say in that?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:37 pm

tennbengal wrote:Depend on context, no?

If someone tried to move the Jags to Jackson and name them the N******, does the FCC have a say in that?

They do, under the "obscenity" category.

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wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:05 am

So now they are suing the Native Americans. I know this is probably a technical legal approach that swamp folks with JDs can explain, but once again from a PR stand point, I would spin this as "Dan Snyder is now suing the Native Americans because he respects them so much to name his team after them."
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Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:21 am

wlu_lax6 wrote:So now they are suing the Native Americans. I know this is probably a technical legal approach that swamp folks with JDs can explain, but once again from a PR stand point, I would spin this as "Dan Snyder is now suing the Native Americans because he respects them so much to name his team after them."
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But Judge Gerald Bruce Lee ruled Tuesday that federal law allows the Redskins to sue the Native Americans.

Just in time for Thanksgiving.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:24 am

Judge Gerald Bruce Lee

This guy sounds like he has experience with appropriating names from other ethnic groups.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:31 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:
Judge Gerald Bruce Lee
This guy sounds like he has experience with appropriating names from other ethnic groups.

Three names and a title using a grand total of 19 letters? Amazing.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:50 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:
Judge Gerald Bruce Lee
This guy sounds like he has experience with appropriating names from other ethnic groups.

Well played.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:53 pm

Johnny Carwash wrote:
Judge Gerald Bruce Lee

I had a coffee at a super funky place downtown today, and next to the espresso machine was a plaque signifying that "Bruce Ly finished 2nd in the Toronto Barrista Championship."

I was served by the great barrista himself.

Post by **brian** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:27 pm

North Dakota finally has a new nickname.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:47 pm

brian wrote:North Dakota finally has a new nickname.

There was a bonus question at trivia last night about colleges with nicknames that had "X" in them, and ND was on there. I went all sorts of uber-nerd and informed them of their mistake. They did not care, nor were they amused. I begrudgingly wrote fighting sioux and took my 2 points.

For the record, I was rooting for "Nodaks"

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:14 pm

That one is only good if we could later find out there was a tribe called the Daks native to the Dakotas.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:48 pm

brian wrote:North Dakota finally has a new nickname.

The Association of Birds of Prey has already filed a defamation suit for portraying hawks as violent.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:20 pm

North Dakota should just say that they are naming themselves after the Chicago Blackhawks.

Then they could continue to use their Indian head logo, too.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:25 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:North Dakota should just say that they are naming themselves after the Chicago Blackhawks.

Then they could continue to use their Indian head logo, too.

Someone photoshop a boxing glove on the front there and...

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:22 pm

Fuck giff, is SportsDoc OK?

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:34 am

Playing off of a fb post by Brian...

Didja notice that today, Indigenous People's Day/Columbus Day, we saw losses by the Redskins, the Indians, and the Braves.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:15 am

sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:34 am Playing off of a fb post by Brian...

Didja notice that today, Indigenous People's Day/Columbus Day, we saw losses by the Redskins, the Indians, and the Braves.

And the Blackhawks lost on Sunday night, Indigenous People's Eve.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:55 am