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Off to that big prison in the sky where he won't have to worry about his black athletes getting all uppity.
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this is kinda a crossthread post with the facebook one, but a guy named chad burns is losing his mind cause i made a mediocre bob mcnair joke
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TT2.0 wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:27 pm this is kinda a crossthread post with the facebook one, but a guy named chad burns is losing his mind cause i made a mediocre bob mcnair joke
Fuck him, tasteless jokes are the reason I subscribe to your FB feed. Adorable kitten photos and a bucket of feces are added bonuses.
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The Sybian wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:09 pm
TT2.0 wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:27 pm this is kinda a crossthread post with the facebook one, but a guy named chad burns is losing his mind cause i made a mediocre bob mcnair joke
Fuck him, tasteless jokes are the reason I subscribe to your FB feed. Adorable kitten photos and a bucket of feces are added bonuses.
Could you post a link to that guy losing his mind. I looked at your FB feed and couldn't find it.
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sancarlos wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:32 pm
The Sybian wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:09 pm
TT2.0 wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:27 pm this is kinda a crossthread post with the facebook one, but a guy named chad burns is losing his mind cause i made a mediocre bob mcnair joke
Fuck him, tasteless jokes are the reason I subscribe to your FB feed. Adorable kitten photos and a bucket of feces are added bonuses.
Could you post a link to that guy losing his mind. I looked at your FB feed and couldn't find it.

he deleted his comment and blocked me. his original response was "real cool to make fun of a great man that died" and im paraphrasing but then i said mcnair cost us duane brown by being a racist piece of shit, that i mock ALL dead celebrities, and if that bothers him he should delete and block me now cause it gets worse, then i called him a shitty poker player, he called me a shitty dealer, i called him a cuntmuppet and went to bed and woke up and it was all gone. anybody else who saw it live did i miss any high points?
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The Sybian wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:09 pm
TT2.0 wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:27 pm this is kinda a crossthread post with the facebook one, but a guy named chad burns is losing his mind cause i made a mediocre bob mcnair joke
Fuck him, tasteless jokes are the reason I subscribe to your FB feed. Adorable kitten photos and a bucket of feces are added bonuses.
Someone subscribes to me? I assumed people barely read my page at all unless someone died and they want a cheap joke to steal
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TT2.0 wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:33 am
The Sybian wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:09 pm
TT2.0 wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:27 pm this is kinda a crossthread post with the facebook one, but a guy named chad burns is losing his mind cause i made a mediocre bob mcnair joke
Fuck him, tasteless jokes are the reason I subscribe to your FB feed. Adorable kitten photos and a bucket of feces are added bonuses.
Someone subscribes to me? I assumed people barely read my page at all unless someone died and they want a cheap joke to steal
Choosing the word subscribe was a joke, but I always get a laugh out of your wildly inappropriate knocks on the recently deceased and the comments that follow. I also like the mushy shit you write about your GF, happy for you after all the shit you've been through.
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The Sybian wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:43 pm
TT2.0 wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:33 am
The Sybian wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:09 pm
TT2.0 wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:27 pm this is kinda a crossthread post with the facebook one, but a guy named chad burns is losing his mind cause i made a mediocre bob mcnair joke
Fuck him, tasteless jokes are the reason I subscribe to your FB feed. Adorable kitten photos and a bucket of feces are added bonuses.
Someone subscribes to me? I assumed people barely read my page at all unless someone died and they want a cheap joke to steal
Choosing the word subscribe was a joke, but I always get a laugh out of your wildly inappropriate knocks on the recently deceased and the comments that follow. I also like the mushy shit you write about your GF, happy for you after all the shit you've been through.
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Speaking of inappropriate, isn’t it time for Whitney Houston update?
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bfj wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:21 am Speaking of inappropriate, isn’t it time for Whitney Houston update?
maybe should do a swamp poll? Whitney or Winehouse in my quadra-annual tasteless celeb sobriety joke?
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TT2.0 wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:26 am
bfj wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:21 am Speaking of inappropriate, isn’t it time for Whitney Houston update?
maybe should do a swamp poll? Whitney or Winehouse in my quadra-annual tasteless celeb sobriety joke?
Definitely Whitney. And thanks for the reminder of why I pay so fucking much to live in the North East, ignorant racist bullshit like that pisses me off. Not that we don't have racism here, but it is way less prevalent. Or, as a white guy in a suburban bubble, I just don't see it. Curious what an interracial couple in my area deals with.

Funny aside, my town did have a racist incident that blew up on the Facebook Forum. My town is a weird mix of 8th generation residents (mostly Italian, poorly educated, fearing change, and all somehow related to each other), and middle class professionals, many commuting to NYC, moving here to raise kids. Overwhelmingly white, with a decent number of Asians and Indians (from India), with a very small number of black families. 2 years ago on Halloween, an older 8th Generation Italian guy went to a costume party in black face. Not as a racist meme, but as a specific black celebrity, and he painted his face. A black guy posted, not naming names, but mentioning the incident and saying how his wife was so upset, they immediately left. Lots of people chiming in saying how horrible. The black guy is extremely involved in town, volunteer groups, Education Foundation, and just a super social guy who is friends with everyone. Then a bunch of the old folks chime in saying he is overly sensitive, there is nothing racist, etc... I was shocked how many people had no fucking clue that black face is racist. To the oldsters credit, most posted that they appreciated the education, and the black face outed himself, profusely apologizing saying he had no clue about the history of black face. Not sure why I am posting this now, and not when Megyn Kelly got fired...
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I think we have two issues here.

1. Is the person offended?
2. Are other people offended on their behalf?

I think there is no argument for #1. If a black guy is offended due to someone showing up in blackface. He's offended. You can't say that he can't take a joke. The onus is then on the perpetrator to explain himself and apologize. The individuals work it out.

#2 is more tricky. Now it's a mob because person may or not be offended but that no longer matters. A large group of people have deemed it offensive and will lynch the offender not even accepting apology or caring about the victim.
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There's a lot to how you phrased that I don't care for.
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A_B wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:37 pm There's a lot to how you phrased that I don't care for.
Easy to forget he's Canadian sometimes and honestly probably doesn't realize that using "lynch" in the context of a discussion about blackness, blackface, cultural appropriate, etc. is super not a great idea.
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sorry bout that.
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degenerasian wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:02 pm sorry bout that.
That was part of it, but in reality -- and I really don't mean to sound condescending here so don't take it that way -- it's really impossible for someone from another country to understand the complex and dynamic and sordid history of race in the United States unless you're an American.

I'm not saying you can't learn about it as in a history book or study it or even understand a lot of the dynamics involved, but unless you've lived it every day in your life -- especially if you're black -- then it's just really not the same. It's America's Original Sin and it underpins the relationship most of us Americans have with each other, the economy, our politics and everything.
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brian wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:08 pm
degenerasian wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:02 pm sorry bout that.
That was part of it, but in reality -- and I really don't mean to sound condescending here so don't take it that way -- it's really impossible for someone from another country to understand the complex and dynamic and sordid history of race in the United States unless you're an American.

I'm not saying you can't learn about it as in a history book or study it or even understand a lot of the dynamics involved, but unless you've lived it every day in your life -- especially if you're black -- then it's just really not the same. It's America's Original Sin and it underpins the relationship most of us Americans have with each other, the economy, our politics and everything.
I get that I will never understand. That's why i made my first point above. If the black person says it's racist. It's racist. They've lived it.
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Your first point was valid, IMO.

The second was where I had issues, and the lynching wording was part of that, but I also think it's OK for a group of people (in this case white people being offended on the behalf of someone who might not be offended) to make sure that the group that did the offensive act can't just continue to propagate that and that the behavior is inherently wrong and that people like them - who have no "standing" to be offended - are offended just as much as someone in the offended group.

On a granular level, that the two people hashed it out is great and in a perfect world that would be that. But people can't just get away with casual racism and ignorance should be no excuse.

I've told the story before about how, as a kid probably 8-10 range, I saw a black person walking down the street behind my house. This was in east KY in the mid 80s, which wouldn't qualify as progressive. Anyway, I said "Look at that n***** walking down the street". My grandmother - who was all of 4'9"- smacked the everliving shit out of me. I deserved it. She was the one who was telling me I shouldn't be that way, even though the guy walking down the street never heard me say it. If we don't have metaphorical grandmas smacking the shit out of some ignorant asshole then we don't have a chance of progress.
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A_B wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:34 pm Your first point was valid, IMO.

The second was where I had issues, and the lynching wording was part of that, but I also think it's OK for a group of people (in this case white people being offended on the behalf of someone who might not be offended) to make sure that the group that did the offensive act can't just continue to propagate that and that the behavior is inherently wrong and that people like them - who have no "standing" to be offended - are offended just as much as someone in the offended group.

On a granular level, that the two people hashed it out is great and in a perfect world that would be that. But people can't just get away with casual racism and ignorance should be no excuse.

I've told the story before about how, as a kid probably 8-10 range, I saw a black person walking down the street behind my house. This was in east KY in the mid 80s, which wouldn't qualify as progressive. Anyway, I said "Look at that n***** walking down the street". My grandmother - who was all of 4'9"- smacked the everliving shit out of me. I deserved it. She was the one who was telling me I shouldn't be that way, even though the guy walking down the street never heard me say it. If we don't have metaphorical grandmas smacking the shit out of some ignorant asshole then we don't have a chance of progress.
I never used the n word in my life. BUT, when I was maybe 10 or so, I told a "paki" joke at the dinner table. My father and brother laughed and my mother (who never yelled) ordered my away from the table and then washed my mouth out with soap.

More like an attempt, but godalmighty, you get the taste of soap in your mouth, it hits home.

And while my household was very liberal, that was a disgusting lesson I learned that day.

So as to your point about "metaphorical grandmas" it is spot on, and something that never occurred to me. Put it this way - my father who never said anything racist laughed at my joke. A tacit condoning of racist words if not deeds. My mother though, she proved her point very effectively
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I don't remember any specific reproaches, but presumably there might have been. I've probably repressed a lot memories of my upbringing, but we weren't really taught one thing or another that I remember when it came to black people (which in itself honestly is pretty bad, just throwing that out there. My parents method of child-rearing was mostly to pretend that whatever problems we might have had, either as a family or in society just didn't exist.)

I definitely wasn't "woke" as a teenager. My high school had all of one black kid (out of 650 students) and we did our fair share of bullying kids today that I now realize had conditions like autism and other developmental disorders. I wish I could have that back, but I can't.

But hopefully we all have been able to take some of those lessons taught to us by family and by life and be better people.
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But kids make fun of other kids for pretty much anything. For losing teeth, for being fat, for wearing crappy clothes etc...
Yes they will make fun of a kid for being black or latino but is that really racist or just one of many things kids make fun of other kids for. If we're going to go grandma on a kid saying the n-word than we should also go grandma on calling a kid fat.

A_B: for some of real serious stuff (n-word) yes. But some stuff really isn't that offensive to the receiver yet others will jump in. I've had others jump in on my behalf. Once in an elevator a guy said he disliked chinese food and he got an earful. I tried to diffuse it by saying I hate chinese food too, but the damage had been done. I don't know how the conversation would have gone if I hadn't been in the elevator and it was just white people.
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The whole "you're not allowed to be offended because it wasn't directed at / doesn't apply to you" is just a means of control. Almost every slur is majority versus minority so its far better for the one using the slur if the sole onus is on the minority to defend themselves rather than facing backlash from others too.
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degenerasian wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:55 pm But kids make fun of other kids for pretty much anything. For losing teeth, for being fat, for wearing crappy clothes etc...
Yes they will make fun of a kid for being black or latino but is that really racist or just one of many things kids make fun of other kids for. If we're going to go grandma on a kid saying the n-word than we should also go grandma on calling a kid fat.
Again, this view ignores centuries of important historical context. You can’t compare anti-black racism to fat jokes or body shaming. Fat people weren’t forcibly transported to America and enslaved for hundreds of years. Nor were they subject to 100+ more years of legal discrimination and nonstop terroristic violence. That’s why any suggestion that African-Americans are just like any other minority or marginalized group is specious.
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It's the historical context that render us Canadians as superfluous to discussions like this.

Don;t misunderstand me - we've got some issues up here, but they are not woven throughout the fabric of our history.
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Pruitt wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:08 pm It's the historical context that render us Canadians as superfluous to discussions like this.

Don;t misunderstand me - we've got some issues up here, but they are not woven throughout the fabric of our history.
Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make, but you guys ended up making it more coherent than I was able to.
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Pruitt wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:08 pm It's the historical context that render us Canadians as superfluous to discussions like this.

Don;t misunderstand me - we've got some issues up here, but they are not woven throughout the fabric of our history.
Our issue up here is with the indigenous people. But at a much smaller percentage. Plus they have been recognized by the government.
In the US, you're right it's not something we will ever understand or live through. Blacks have been abused and are still fighting for equal rights.
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degenerasian wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:19 pm I think we have two issues here.

1. Is the person offended?
2. Are other people offended on their behalf?

I think there is no argument for #1. If a black guy is offended due to someone showing up in blackface. He's offended. You can't say that he can't take a joke. The onus is then on the perpetrator to explain himself and apologize. The individuals work it out.

#2 is more tricky. Now it's a mob because person may or not be offended but that no longer matters. A large group of people have deemed it offensive and will lynch the offender not even accepting apology or caring about the victim.

1.) Yes, the guy was deeply offended and posted to say he was shocked that in a community he felt a part of, that this would happen. I skimmed over that part, as there is a very long, offensive history of blackface used in what were called minstrel shows, in which white actors painted their faces black and portrayed black stereotypes and played blacks as subhuman. They were extremely offensive, and because of that, a white person painting their face black in a costume is always a symbol of oppression and the minstrel shows. I can totally see anyone not knowing the history not realizing it's offensive to dress as a black celebrity and paint their face. I mean, if a black guy dressed as a white celebrity and painted their face white, nobody would be offended, but it's all about the historical context. Anyways, the guy's wife was completely shaken and crying. I never discussed it with them, but I did talk to a friend who entered the party with them, and immediately left with them.

2.) Most of the "mob" was people showing support saying "we love you and your family," and don't let one ignorant person make you feel unwelcome. There was some backlash at the oldies claiming there is nothing offensive about blackface, and some shaming of the offender before his name was outed. In the end, a lot of oldtimers learned a cultural fact they should have known, the offender was sincere and gracious in his apologies, and most of the mob praised the oldster for admitting his mistake and willingness to grow. And now my town is littered with these yard signs:


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No french translation? How disrespectful to our Canadians.
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A_B wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:07 pm No french translation? How disrespectful to our Canadians.
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brian wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:46 pm I don't remember any specific reproaches, but presumably there might have been. I've probably repressed a lot memories of my upbringing, but we weren't really taught one thing or another that I remember when it came to black people (which in itself honestly is pretty bad, just throwing that out there. My parents method of child-rearing was mostly to pretend that whatever problems we might have had, either as a family or in society just didn't exist.)

I definitely wasn't "woke" as a teenager. My high school had all of one black kid (out of 650 students) and we did our fair share of bullying kids today that I now realize had conditions like autism and other developmental disorders. I wish I could have that back, but I can't.

But hopefully we all have been able to take some of those lessons taught to us by family and by life and be better people.
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It's interesting that everything I did was all at my own motivation. A coach didn't tell me to do it, a principal didn't tell me to do it. As soon as I uttered the word, I realized how wrong I was, but I doubt I would've been in any trouble had I acted differently about it afterwards.
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This is only slightly on topic, but it's a bunch of college kids shouting down a group of neo-nazis and removing them from the premises without having to call police or campus security. The sad part? THe crowd was amazingly calm when faced with radicals in their midst. Well, it's both sad and amazing, but they basically were like "these guys aren't worth getting upset about."

Anyway, it was people calling out ignorant assholes, which is why I put it here.
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Giff wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:16 am
brian wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:46 pm I don't remember any specific reproaches, but presumably there might have been. I've probably repressed a lot memories of my upbringing, but we weren't really taught one thing or another that I remember when it came to black people (which in itself honestly is pretty bad, just throwing that out there. My parents method of child-rearing was mostly to pretend that whatever problems we might have had, either as a family or in society just didn't exist.)

I definitely wasn't "woke" as a teenager. My high school had all of one black kid (out of 650 students) and we did our fair share of bullying kids today that I now realize had conditions like autism and other developmental disorders. I wish I could have that back, but I can't.

But hopefully we all have been able to take some of those lessons taught to us by family and by life and be better people.
White Man's World speaks to me so much. I participated in jokes, but never bullied anyone for any racial reasons (not that the other reasons were all that much better). However, once during a heated basketball practice I did use the N word once directed at someone and to this day, 27 years after the fact, I get sick to my stomach thinking about it. I still remember it all so vividly from me saying it to immediately apologizing to him to apologizing to the team and then apologizing to each black kid on any of the teams (I was a freshman). This part will sound made up, but one of my best friends at the time was black and it took a long time for him to come around to being friends with me again.

It's interesting that everything I did was all at my own motivation. A coach didn't tell me to do it, a principal didn't tell me to do it. As soon as I uttered the word, I realized how wrong I was, but I doubt I would've been in any trouble had I acted differently about it afterwards.
I think it's interesting to look at the Michael Richards thing and realize how possible -- likely in fact -- it is that he's not some secret racist and in reality just had a really, really bad day and he lost his entire career in the blink of an eye. I'm not saying that shouldn't have happened nor that I feel super sorry for a guy sitting on tens of millions of dollars when he career abruptly ended. I just don't believe that he's really some super villain or anything like that. I have a hell of a lot more sympathy for Michael Richards than I do Louis CK, Matt Lauer or some of these other scumbags.
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Joe K wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:04 pm
degenerasian wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:55 pm But kids make fun of other kids for pretty much anything. For losing teeth, for being fat, for wearing crappy clothes etc...
Yes they will make fun of a kid for being black or latino but is that really racist or just one of many things kids make fun of other kids for. If we're going to go grandma on a kid saying the n-word than we should also go grandma on calling a kid fat.
Again, this view ignores centuries of important historical context. You can’t compare anti-black racism to fat jokes or body shaming. Fat people weren’t forcibly transported to America and enslaved for hundreds of years. Nor were they subject to 100+ more years of legal discrimination and nonstop terroristic violence. That’s why any suggestion that African-Americans are just like any other minority or marginalized group is specious.
Sure but we're talking about 6 year olds, they don't know all that. It's great that people immediately wash their kids mouth out with soap but then they should do so for fat jokes too (at kid level). I didn't have this upbringing. My mom was and still is the most racist person I know.
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I think 6 year olds hear it from somewhere to parrot it. There has to be a Bully 0 who got it from an older sibling, or a parent, or got ribbed themselves.
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brian wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:50 am

I think it's interesting to look at the Michael Richards thing and realize how possible -- likely in fact -- it is that he's not some secret racist and in reality just had a really, really bad day and he lost his entire career in the blink of an eye. I'm not saying that shouldn't have happened nor that I feel super sorry for a guy sitting on tens of millions of dollars when he career abruptly ended. I just don't believe that he's really some super villain or anything like that. I have a hell of a lot more sympathy for Michael Richards than I do Louis CK, Matt Lauer or some of these other scumbags.
Yes many non-famous people have lost their jobs over really dumb one off moments (racial or otherwise).

Remember the girl who gave the finger to a military gravestone? Or the guy who threw the beer can at the Jays Game?
I'm going off topic but the guy who threw the beer can should be suspended for attending games. But should he really be fired from his job?
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mister d wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:59 pm The whole "you're not allowed to be offended because it wasn't directed at / doesn't apply to you" is just a means of control. Almost every slur is majority versus minority so its far better for the one using the slur if the sole onus is on the minority to defend themselves rather than facing backlash from others too.
I get that, and agree for the most part, but then I heard a disabled person raging against SJWs for shouting down someone for making a joke about disabled people. I don't even remember who said this or where I heard it, but it stuck with me. The guy said he wasn't offended, and by SJWs choosing to be offended for him, made him feel like the SJWs saw him as too weak to defend himself.

Growing up, I had a mixed-race friend in my neighborhood. His father emigrated from Africa as an adult, and his mother is white, so nobody in his family lived the "black American experience." He was completely clueless on anything to do with race. One day we were playing football, and a ball got stuck in a tree. We were all throwing shit at the ball to knock it down. He grabs a rake, and starts yelling, "spear chucker! I'm a spear chucker!" We were all trying to get him to stop, but he didn't know what the term meant, and he thought it was funny. Sort of ironic that the all-white group of kids had to stop the one black kid from shouting racial epithets about himself.
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