College Football 2018 (non-meltdown thread)
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So is the fact UCF gets shut out again (read: UCF has not lost a game since December 17, 2016) a case for expanding the playoff system or just getting rid of it?
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Getting rid of it isn’t an option but it really should be 6 teams or 8 teams. UCF had a chance and chose not to schedule anyone in non-conference. If they had maybe I’d feel like they deserve a shot over Oklahoma.
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Can they even schedule someone good? Nobody will play them.
They got Stanford and Pitt next year.
They got Stanford and Pitt next year.
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Schedules are mostly made years even decades in advance so that’s somewhat fair but if you want to claim you’re a national power schedule like a national power.degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:04 pm Can they even schedule someone good? Nobody will play them.
They got Stanford and Pitt next year.
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However truthful your statement is, it's still garbage when half the teams in the P5 make zero effort to schedule tough competition outside their own conferences (which gives them enough weight for consideration anyway).brian wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:09 pmSchedules are mostly made years even decades in advance so that’s somewhat fair but if you want to claim you’re a national power schedule like a national power.degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:04 pm Can they even schedule someone good? Nobody will play them.
They got Stanford and Pitt next year.
I'd love to see it expanded, but without assurances, it'll likely mean several two loss teams filling out the bracket.
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Please let it be six with a bye. If eight they would need to do away with conf championship games and play the first round at home fields. Even then I don't like it.
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Without assurances for teams outside the P5 it wouldn't mean jack shit.
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16 games is a lot even if it’s just two teams that play that much.
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Meyer out
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I look forward to Meyer's return to health coinciding with Brian Kelly's eventual departure from Notre Dame.
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It's an annual tradition, so I'll just play my part:
I've advocated for an 8 team playoff since forever. Just take out one of the 3 or 4 non-conference games if you're worried about these guys playing too many games. And if you are worried that an eventual champion has to play 15 games, please take the wahmbulance to the D3 schools who accomplish this herculean feat every year.
You go with champions of the P5, then you have 3 at large bids. If you are worried about the G5, fine, put in some criteria (must be in the top 10 or 15) and then the G5 "champion" gets in. This still leaves room to auto-slot the second best SEC team and for when Notre Dame has a year like this year. There are going to be politics at play no matter what you do. (And if ND wants a safer road, join a fucking conference.) And if you're worried about a fluky thing like NW beating OSU this year, put in criteria that any champion with 3 or more losses gets put in the at-large pool, freeing up an additional slot for others deemed more worthy.
The challenge of any expansion scenario is to find the sweet spot where the playoffs truly crown a legit champion, but doesn't render the regular season meaningless. You want out of conference games to mean something, and in this scenario if you go full Bama/SEC and schedule a bunch of bullshit OOC games, but then get bit by losing your conference championship, that's on you.
Oh, also, the first round is played on campus at the higher seed. Or some other criteria is used so the G5 could potentially host. I don't care, bottom line is that you should play that first round on a campus and not ask fans to travel to 3 neutral site games around the holidays.
I've advocated for an 8 team playoff since forever. Just take out one of the 3 or 4 non-conference games if you're worried about these guys playing too many games. And if you are worried that an eventual champion has to play 15 games, please take the wahmbulance to the D3 schools who accomplish this herculean feat every year.
You go with champions of the P5, then you have 3 at large bids. If you are worried about the G5, fine, put in some criteria (must be in the top 10 or 15) and then the G5 "champion" gets in. This still leaves room to auto-slot the second best SEC team and for when Notre Dame has a year like this year. There are going to be politics at play no matter what you do. (And if ND wants a safer road, join a fucking conference.) And if you're worried about a fluky thing like NW beating OSU this year, put in criteria that any champion with 3 or more losses gets put in the at-large pool, freeing up an additional slot for others deemed more worthy.
The challenge of any expansion scenario is to find the sweet spot where the playoffs truly crown a legit champion, but doesn't render the regular season meaningless. You want out of conference games to mean something, and in this scenario if you go full Bama/SEC and schedule a bunch of bullshit OOC games, but then get bit by losing your conference championship, that's on you.
Oh, also, the first round is played on campus at the higher seed. Or some other criteria is used so the G5 could potentially host. I don't care, bottom line is that you should play that first round on a campus and not ask fans to travel to 3 neutral site games around the holidays.
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And, btw, as part of tradition:
The bowls have been majorly fucked up for 15 or 20 years now. They have lost their traditional conference tie-ins (where it was applicable) and the vast majority are just shitty exhibition games no one really cares about.
(As an aside, but to that point... Michigan playing Florida again is absolute bullshit. No one cares about that game. MI has played Florida more than we've played most teams in the B1G West over the last 4 or 5 years. WTF?)
I mean, if you really wanted to make bowls relevant (and more profitable), expand to 16 teams and play the first 2 rounds at the lesser of the bowls and then rotate the final 4 and championship games as we do right now. In that scenario, you'd make every conference play a minimum of 9 conference games and reduce the regular season down to 10, maybe 11 games.
Or stick with 8 and rotate the first round among the Peaches and Outbacks and whatnot.
The bowls have been majorly fucked up for 15 or 20 years now. They have lost their traditional conference tie-ins (where it was applicable) and the vast majority are just shitty exhibition games no one really cares about.
(As an aside, but to that point... Michigan playing Florida again is absolute bullshit. No one cares about that game. MI has played Florida more than we've played most teams in the B1G West over the last 4 or 5 years. WTF?)
I mean, if you really wanted to make bowls relevant (and more profitable), expand to 16 teams and play the first 2 rounds at the lesser of the bowls and then rotate the final 4 and championship games as we do right now. In that scenario, you'd make every conference play a minimum of 9 conference games and reduce the regular season down to 10, maybe 11 games.
Or stick with 8 and rotate the first round among the Peaches and Outbacks and whatnot.
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Imagine 30 years from now, the pride a former player will feel when he tells his son or daughter that he played in the 2018 Cheez-it Bowl!
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Better snack but a worse bowl name than the Goldfish Bowl.
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The Poulan Weedeater Bowl is still my all-time favorite.
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Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl. My god.
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Didn;t they used to lock up people who claimed to have met Jesus?
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Syracuse extends Dino Babers' contract. Celebratory beverages are in order.
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At this point I’d be surprised if he ends up anywhere else. At his age he’s not going to be on too many lists of blue bloods that need a coach and he may want to see what he can build after a decade somewhere.DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:09 pm Syracuse extends Dino Babers' contract. Celebratory beverages are in order.
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Yeah, that's a big part of it. He apparently had three years left on his original contract prior to the extension (Syracuse never gave any details on either his original contract or yesterday's extension), so I am taking this as a sign that he is staying for the rest of his career.brian wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:17 pmAt this point I’d be surprised if he ends up anywhere else.DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:09 pm Syracuse extends Dino Babers' contract. Celebratory beverages are in order.
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I'm a bit surprised that Colorado hired Georgia's DC, Mel Tucker to be their new head coach. Colorado basically gets all their players from California, Texas, Denver, and Colorado Springs. Maybe that will change now but bringing in a guy whose background is in the southeast, midwest and NFL seems odd.
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I don't know enough about Tucker to say this is the case w/r/t him, but there's basically two schools of thought when hiring a new coach -- either get a guy who can coach kids up or get a guy who can recruit (if you can do both like Nick Saban that's ideal, but those guys are pretty rare), so he might be considered in the former category. (If I were hiring a coach and had to choose between the two, that's the decision I would make too.)sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:06 pm I'm a bit surprised that Colorado hired Georgia's DC, Mel Tucker to be their new head coach. Colorado basically gets all their players from California, Texas, Denver, and Colorado Springs. Maybe that will change now but bringing in a guy whose background is in the southeast, midwest and NFL seems odd.
Colorado is always going to have to do most of its recruiting in Texas and California and a guy who is familiar with those areas is ideal, but not completely necessary.
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Yeah, my alma mater gave them a good run, but they are really an excellent team. The QB is crazy fast.
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Interesting quirk this season: I'm sure they're not the only team who will do this, but Syracuse has a couple transfers eligible to play in their bowl game due to the combination of having sat out two full semesters (fall semester just ended) and the NCAA rule allowing a player to play in four games and still be able to redshirt.
Just wonder if this will accelerate the transfer market so that players enroll over the winter gap between semesters to create this opportunity. I also wonder if it would affect some smaller schools whose fall semesters end later than some of the bowl games their conference have affiliations with that fall earlier in December.
Just wonder if this will accelerate the transfer market so that players enroll over the winter gap between semesters to create this opportunity. I also wonder if it would affect some smaller schools whose fall semesters end later than some of the bowl games their conference have affiliations with that fall earlier in December.
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One of my lax ref friends got selected to ref the FCS National Championship. North Dakota St. v. Eastern Washington. This guy has also covered the NCAA D1 Lacrosse finals 4 of the last 5 years (and the other year he was on a semi-final).
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Sad Short Story of the First Responder Bowl
Cancelled by thunderstorms. But even before that, it wasn't exactly shaping up as an epic event. Just look at that crowd...
ETA: In reading about this nonsensical non-event, I came across something that I didn't know. Something that helps explain why there are so many bowl games, and why you'll see the occasional bottom of the barrel bowl up against NFL games...
Cancelled by thunderstorms. But even before that, it wasn't exactly shaping up as an epic event. Just look at that crowd...
ETA: In reading about this nonsensical non-event, I came across something that I didn't know. Something that helps explain why there are so many bowl games, and why you'll see the occasional bottom of the barrel bowl up against NFL games...
Just like informercials!In September, the City Council agreed to pay ESPN, the network that broadcast the game, $300,000 over the next two years.
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So I think the big deal on the bowls is the $ it brings to the area hosting.
The Post has an interesting article on the guy who gets $1 Million to run the Outback Bowl. $1M for 1 game a year. Some great quotes
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/c ... 42278b1e4b
The Post has an interesting article on the guy who gets $1 Million to run the Outback Bowl. $1M for 1 game a year. Some great quotes
wapo wrote: In the gated communities of waterfront mansions north of this city, not far from mansions belonging to the chief executive of the Tampa Bay Lightning and former NFL star turned broadcaster Ronde Barber, there’s one particularly impressive home, featuring a 600-bottle wine cellar, a wraparound shower with massage jets, and a sizeable pool with a waterfall and jacuzzi overlooking a lake. It belongs to Jim McVay, a sports executive who for the past 30 years has run the Outback Bowl, a second-tier college football postseason game featuring third-place teams.
wapo wrote:McVay’s core duties remain as focused as they were when he took the job in 1988: negotiate contracts and sell sponsorships and tickets for one football game each year.
wapo wrote:The decision by the Outback Bowl’s board — a volunteer group of local businesspeople and dignitaries — to pay McVay, year after year, more than many of his peers further stands out because their bowl, historically, is among the stingiest when it comes to giving to charity.
wap wrote:In a follow-up email, in response to questions about the bowl’s charitable spending, Schember wrote: “We’re not the United Way. While we’re happy to give to local charities that’s not our purpose. Come down to Tampa New Year’s Eve . . . see the thousands of Miss St and Iowa fans at the parade who are staying at our hotels eating in our restaurants and drinking at our bars. If you come I’ll buy you a beer!”
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Yeah, these dumb down market bowl games are never going away because of what you just posted AND the fact that ESPN and to some extent Fox Sports needs them as filler. Even the really shitty bowl games like Boston College and Boise St get better ratings than anything else they could put in that time slot, and it's not even close.
Most schools make their money back, BUT there are still around 15 - 20 schools that take a bath when you factor in travel costs, mandatory ticket purchases and whatever cut their conference takes from the bowl game payout.
But just the principle of the whole thing... This guy making $1M off the backs of amateur athletes.
Fuck that guy and fuck the NCAA.
Most schools make their money back, BUT there are still around 15 - 20 schools that take a bath when you factor in travel costs, mandatory ticket purchases and whatever cut their conference takes from the bowl game payout.
But just the principle of the whole thing... This guy making $1M off the backs of amateur athletes.
Fuck that guy and fuck the NCAA.
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I think the bowl games should be banned and then I'd have two 24-team tournaments, meaning 48 teams make the postseason.
The first 24 team tournament is for the national championship. Top 8 seeds get byes, games played at campus sites until the semifinals. All 10 conference champions and 14 at-large teams selected by a committee.
Consider the second 24-team tournament the NIT. To make this tournament you have to have a winning record. If there aren't enough 7-win teams, then the "best" 6-6 teams (as judged by the committee) can make the field to fill it out, but doubt that would ever happen too often. That tournament plays out the exact same way except all games are played at campus sites until the final.
That game is played at the site of the national title game a few days before it.
The first 24 team tournament is for the national championship. Top 8 seeds get byes, games played at campus sites until the semifinals. All 10 conference champions and 14 at-large teams selected by a committee.
Consider the second 24-team tournament the NIT. To make this tournament you have to have a winning record. If there aren't enough 7-win teams, then the "best" 6-6 teams (as judged by the committee) can make the field to fill it out, but doubt that would ever happen too often. That tournament plays out the exact same way except all games are played at campus sites until the final.
That game is played at the site of the national title game a few days before it.
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5 rounds of playoffs is lot of extra football for the kids. I mean the academics impact of that...but in reality the current model is so rich for so many people that breaking it would be tough. While the schools may lose some money the conferences make $, the cities make $ the bowl committees make $, etc. The NCAA either has to say we are taking back the football title from the bowls because we want ALL the monies (which we will distribute back) or try to figure out how to keep people whole (the current playoff model).brian wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:26 pm I think the bowl games should be banned and then I'd have two 24-team tournaments, meaning 48 teams make the postseason.
The first 24 team tournament is for the national championship. Top 8 seeds get byes, games played at campus sites until the semifinals. All 10 conference champions and 14 at-large teams selected by a committee.
Consider the second 24-team tournament the NIT. To make this tournament you have to have a winning record. If there aren't enough 7-win teams, then the "best" 6-6 teams (as judged by the committee) can make the field to fill it out, but doubt that would ever happen too often. That tournament plays out the exact same way except all games are played at campus sites until the final.
That game is played at the site of the national title game a few days before it.
And I am sure the kids (most of whom have not shot at a national title) like the bowl experience. Even the bad bowls are events where the kids get a bunch of fun experiences and $600 worth of stuff.
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There’s five rounds in FCS and Division III.
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And two less regular season games. Good luck getting the big schools to forfeit two homes games of revenue.
And actually it isn’t he big teams. It’s the teams like Kentucky with no real championship aspirations who would balk at less revenue.
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